john fury

[palooka]

No, Manno - it was 'old man' Gaskin, a very sprightly figure for his age - in his early 60's I'd say. I knew Terrace slightly and would say hello from time to time. He was a nice kid but got pulled the wrong way.

[manno]

No, Manno - it was 'old man' Gaskin, a very sprightly figure for his age - in his early 60's I'd say. I knew Terrace slightly and would say hello from time to time. He was a nice kid but got pulled the wrong way.

I was in the same gym as terrace for a while and actually was in corner when dale robinson bashed him for area title.Always remember his dad turning to his grandson, terrace' little lad and sayin..." ya farders f@@kin crap!" After he got stopped. Had a couple of ams out on freedoms show at dome this season and bumped into him...beard on but hadnt changed!

[Nightmare Roy]

There is defiantly a bit of romance surrounding how good gypsies are at fighting/boxing. If they were all really that good they would be professional boxers like Fury and BJS. Go on YouTube and look at the so called Gypsie boxing, 99% of it is pretty poor quality.

[Nightmare Roy]

Henry you're way down the wrong track with your thirdhand ideas of what happen in the UK in general. 65% religious, oh dear oh dear.

You really need to shut up, mate, you're beyond embarrassing yourself and into humiliation. There were loads of people in the British section who didn't know what a crackpot you are until your borderline personality got vomited all over this thread.

Just, poo, give it up.

MARK MY WORDS, within the next year, Britain will be attacked again by these sick and twisted individuals that you all think are neighbors and friendly, and you people will still not wake up to the facts. You all haven't learned from the lessons of the London bus terror attack, and you never will. Great Britain will be brought down to its knees because of this inclusive bullshit. You are blinded by your own liberalism..... and oddly enough, you all have NO QUALMS WHAT SO EVER in choking out the gypsies/travellers and forcing them into slums. Hypocrites, one and all.

Do you post on the Daily Mail website? That was straight outta one of Dave Gormans found poems.

[palooka]

The slums that 'we all' force gypsies into are council houses where many millions of people live. This is not a black and white issue Henry and there are differing perspectives; your own long view though does seem off centre and does not really reflect the reality of the situation.

[watsupdoc87]

Lately whenever im a stonned i just read through this thread and it cracks me up. Keep it up lads, and come back henry, we miss your input. Its fuking hillarious

[palooka]

Lately whenever im a stonned i just read through this thread and it cracks me up. Keep it up lads, and come back henry, we miss your input. Its fuking hillarious

The Dale Farm/Wounded Knee comparison complete with Garda present was a highlight.

[magwitch]

The slums that 'we all' force gypsies into are council houses where many millions of people live. This is not a black and white issue Henry and there are differing perspectives.

Stop, stop, it sounds unbearable...council houses?! T
Talking of black and white, I've never seen a black gypsy. I think, and I'm no expert, but although some gypsies say that they are discriminated against, they are quite racist as regards non-gypsies. Girls not being allowed to date "gorgers" and so on.
On the other hand, it's difficult to go against traditional ways, I realise that.

[palooka]

I know, imagine the fascist society that attempts to make sure an already marginalised group of people are able to get access to medical provision and their children have access to elementary, secondary and tertiary education - what a deeply hideous society! Surely it'd be better for the traditional childhood illnesses and lives and ambitions stunted by a lack of numeracy and literacy?

[Counter-puncher]

Lately whenever im a stonned i just read through this thread and it cracks me up. Keep it up lads, and come back henry, we miss your input. Its fuking hillarious

The Dale Farm/Wounded Knee comparison complete with Garda present was a highlight.

[magwitch]

From past experience. Fighting travellers was always easy. There poo poncing around dancing , thinking they are boxers.
Most of them are mouths and when it gets hard they want to call it a draw.

I am not sure I would like to fight one bareknuckle but I have to say I have watched plenty of the gypsy bareknuckle fights on film and loads of them look fat and rubbish at boxing...

McGinley v Price (a decent amateur) in a shopping centre is good when the bullying Mcginley gets a shock when Price knows what he's doing.

A shopping centre .......what's the matter with people?!

[Stevieb8006]

I am not sure I would like to fight one bareknuckle but I have to say I have watched plenty of the gypsy bareknuckle fights on film and loads of them look fat and rubbish at boxing...

McGinley v Price (a decent amateur) in a shopping centre is good when the bullying Mcginley gets a shock when Price knows what he's doing.

A shopping centre .......what's the matter with people?!

That video is outrageous. Mums with young kids walking by and everything. They should've both been banged up for that IMO. Certainly the nasty fat bully one that seemed to instigate it. I notice he "honourably" tried to chin the smaller fellow when he wasn't prepared. Men of fine standing.

[bripez]

Henry said earlier in this thread that he is yet to "visit the Isles" - he is clearly a not right or not the full shillng as they say (probably the type to write to gypsies in prison).

[Cyclops]

Henry said earlier in this thread that he is yet to "visit the Isles" - he is clearly a not right or not the full shillng as they say (probably the type to write to gypsies in prison).

Well I for one can't wait to meet him. Show him around all the castles and thatched cottages we live in. Take him to see where Merlin lives, perhaps if he comes in season we could see a dragon or two...

[mickey1975]

The slums that 'we all' force gypsies into are council houses where many millions of people live. This is not a black and white issue Henry and there are differing perspectives.

Stop, stop, it sounds unbearable...council houses?! T
Talking of black and white, I've never seen a black gypsy. I think, and I'm no expert, but although some gypsies say that they are discriminated against, they are quite racist as regards non-gypsies. Girls not being allowed to date "gorgers" and so on.
On the other hand, it's difficult to go against traditional ways, I realise that.

I know a few mixed race travellers. All have been racially abused by their own people!

[Tomasino]

Henry said earlier in this thread that he is yet to "visit the Isles" - he is clearly a not right or not the full shillng as they say (probably the type to write to gypsies in prison).

Well I for one can't wait to meet him. Show him around all the castles and thatched cottages we live in. Take him to see where Merlin lives, perhaps if he comes in season we could see a dragon or two...

[HomicideHenry]

I've read King of the Gypsies too and you are literally quoting it like some sort of historian. I'm assuming you've read On the Cobbles too, seeing as you're mentioning Jimmy Stockin now? Henry these kind of books are very popular in the UK and are ten a penny. They started with The Guvnor, the Lenny McClean book where he claims to have never lost a fight amongst other cobblers. We all know he got beat plenty and wasn't even the best in his scene, let alone the best fighter around. But it sold very very well and on the back of that you have a whole genre, blokes who are known for a scrap having autobiographies ghost written. King of the Gypsies is one of the better ones but it is still not a factual verifiable history book, like you seem to think it is. It's a cheap shelf filler. Something a bloke buys at the airport to read on the beach and ends up in the toilet as a mindless page turner to leaf through while you're taking a dump. People who read that sort of stuff and then spout it as fact in the pub are looked on as a bit simple.

I can't even begin to go into the other ridiculous guff you've spouted but my favourite was letting your fantasy gypsies live on your farm. Presumably it's a pretend farm without crops or cattle needing the land? Probably just some empty fields you like looking at and don't have any real need for? I like the bit where they go away for the summer, like birds, to Spain. Why? They just spent all winter on your boggy muddy farm amongst the cabbages. It's actually nice in the UK in the summer and there's no reason to leave. It's just all made up in your head. Even gypsies would scratch their heads at some of the stuff you say, and your beliefs about UK Muslims are repugnant and offensive. Other than that you are hilarious and I look forward to your subsequent posts.

Lenny McLean, Roy Shaw and others like Paddy Monagahn are rather fanciful. McLean's claims of having over 1,000 fights without a loss "on the cobbles" is bull. Shaw claiming he never heard of Gorman, is also bull. Paddy Monagahn is probably the biggest fairytale teller of them all.... "145 fights without a loss", "defended the title around the world", etc. when there was no such thing as a championship, and everyone knows Paddy was a penniless bastard with epilepsy and heart surgeries.

Believe you me, I'll eat a cherry pie, and I spit out the bits when I know damn well it doesn't jiive with facts. Gorman, of all the bareknuckle types, seemed to tell more truths than the others did. But there are also things that do raise red flags. The fact that his biggest wins, were against men who fought in his IBF league and were his friends. The fact that alot of the fights were witnessed by relatives and friends, and little else. The only thing that really lends credability is the fact that he did give newspaper clippings as evidence to alot of it----- from his amateur days, to his bareknuckle days, and the testimony of trainers and others in the pros who confirmed his prowess when he attempted to go pro in the late 70's. And, of course, the word of Peter Fury and some more reliable and seemingly honest men who say Gorman did indeed do alot of what was written.

I think with Shaw and others like him, they never envisioned something like the Internet ever existing and that common ordinary people would have access to old newspaper clippings and be able to see for themselves what was factual and what wasn't. Like Shaw saying he never knew Gorman, or ever met Gorman until Krays funeral. That was proven to be untrue, as a newspaper article exists in the 1970's of Gorman calling out Shaw and Shaw replying to the challenge. Same thing with Bobby Frankham and others that Gorman called out.

Now, that being said.... the question comes down to, "Who do you think was the better fighter?", and I tend to lean towards Gorman. Why? It's like Bartley said himself, the unlicensed circuit was built with this image of being "death matches", when the reality is that alot of fights were fixed, and most of the men competing were older than dirt or were limited as hell. Lenny McLean "legend" that he was, was knocked out cold on several occasions in the first round by guys like Cliff Fields, Kevin Paddock and Roy Shaw. He looked the part, and hit like a ton of bricks, but he was certainly no monster. The fact that Paddock, one of the most feather fisted pros in British history, knocked him out so fast... goes to show how "good" Lenny really was. And Paddock was an inactive pro at the time.

Gorman had alot of amateur fights, he was a young man, he was good sized. I could see him beating a Shaw, or Lenny. Now could I see him beating Johnny Frankham? No. Why? Frankham was hard as hell to hit in the pro ring. What he may have lacked in size against Gorman, would have been made up for in skills and speed. Could I see Gorman beating Bobby Frankham? Maybe. Gorman was getting up there in years, and Bobby Frankham didn't seem to be a focused fighter. So who knows. But that's comparing apples and oranges..... In the end, its all about deciphering what seems more logical and what seems more fanciful. Do I take Gorman's word like the gospel? Hell no. But of all the books I have read, of all the questions I have asked in all the years I have explored the BKB world, Gorman's words seem to ring truer than the majority.

[Counter-puncher]

Ahaha you fucken clown you talk about facts but then you keep using phrases like 'seems' about a dozen times give it up you fucken loonytune windowlicking Sunshine Club Variety Bus complete fucken loon


Away with you man, you're not welcome in The Isles, probably cos we're racist.

Against 1/9 gypsy 2/24 cherokee 2/5 scotch-Irish 2/19 polack 17/58 don't-know-what-the-fornicate-produce-ethnic-family-trees-like-AIDSquilts-fucken-YANKS

[HomicideHenry]

Ahaha you fucken clown you talk about facts but then you keep using phrases like 'seems' about a dozen times give it up you fucken loonytune windowlicking Sunshine Club Variety Bus complete fucken loon


Away with you man, you're not welcome in The Isles, probably cos we're racist.

Against 1/9 gypsy 2/24 cherokee 2/5 scotch-Irish 2/19 polack 17/58 don't-know-what-the-fornicate-produce-ethnic-family-trees-like-AIDSquilts-fucken-YANKS

If the majority of English spell or talk like yourself, no thanks.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Most gypsy fights I see on YouTube are pitiful affairs.

On the rare occasions I've seen gypsies fight somebody who knew what they were doing it ended badly for them.

But I can't generalize from just a few personal experiences. Those might have been exceptions to the rule and in fact gypsy men are highly skilled in hand to hand combat.

[mickey1975]

Most gypsy fights I see on YouTube are pitiful affairs.

On the rare occasions I've seen gypsies fight somebody who knew what they were doing it ended badly for them.

But I can't generalize from just a few personal experiences. Those might have been exceptions to the rule and in fact gypsy men are highly skilled in hand to hand combat.

They have some fantastic amateur juniors/schoolboys.

[Londonirish]

Most gypsy fights I see on YouTube are pitiful affairs.

On the rare occasions I've seen gypsies fight somebody who knew what they were doing it ended badly for them.

But I can't generalize from just a few personal experiences. Those might have been exceptions to the rule and in fact gypsy men are highly skilled in hand to hand combat.

They have some fantastic amateur juniors/schoolboys.

Not many go on to be seniors as by then there out making good money and just aint got the time as thats when you get married and have children...

[Cyclops]

Most gypsy fights I see on YouTube are pitiful affairs.

On the rare occasions I've seen gypsies fight somebody who knew what they were doing it ended badly for them.

But I can't generalize from just a few personal experiences. Those might have been exceptions to the rule and in fact gypsy men are highly skilled in hand to hand combat.

They have some fantastic amateur juniors/schoolboys.

There's plenty of good gypsy/traveller boxers. Fury and BJS to name an obvious two, and like you said, a lot of them do well when they're youngsters as amateurs. A lot of the videos on YouTube are shite but then most people can't fight and are fat, it's just they wouldn't stick it up on social media. I certainly don't think they're as tough as they're made out to be. Nobody is.

Henry/Rufus is clearly a little bit touched and so maybe it's cruel to bully him? If people were agreeing with him I'd worry but nobody is, so I hope he gets to come to the isles one day and maybe between us we could make his dream come true of spending a week on a gypsy site, living off the land, scrumping apples, tickling carp, wearing a neckerchief and telling fighting stories and tales of how they outwitted a gorger man around the campfire, joey grey bubbling away in the pot, hedgehog in the oven: a simpler, more rustic world, at one with nature Cor cack chav, mother die

[Giancarlo]

Henry/Rufus is clearly a little bit touched and so maybe it's cruel to bully him?

Rufus claims he scored in the top 5% on intelligence tests all the way thru High School.

[bripez]

Most gypsy fights I see on YouTube are pitiful affairs.

On the rare occasions I've seen gypsies fight somebody who knew what they were doing it ended badly for them.

But I can't generalize from just a few personal experiences. Those might have been exceptions to the rule and in fact gypsy men are highly skilled in hand to hand combat.

They have some fantastic amateur juniors/schoolboys.

Indeed they do - not many move up to senior/open age though.

It seems that many of these lads mature early as well - schoolboy boxers with beards, some even driving themselves to shows.

Ask them to verify their age and the old "racist" shite comes out.