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My head is all over the gaf, hearing now that Rivas tested positive prior to the bout but nothing was told. This situation will be messy don't expect an outcome till Oct/Nov !

kbackup408 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 06:04 My head is all over the gaf, hearing now that Rivas tested positive prior to the bout but nothing was told. This situation will be messy don't expect an outcome till Oct/Nov !

Anyone OTHER than Spencer Fearon "allegedly" talking about this? Or is it just him? If guilty throw the book at him, though it seems like Spencer trying to play the typical Sky fool than anything solid...and then using "allegedly" as often as possible to act as a legal defense

Eddie Hearn only cares about one thing.

Eddie Hearn.

The rest is just bullshit in an expensive suit.

kbackup408 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 06:04 My head is all over the gaf, hearing now that Rivas tested positive prior to the bout but nothing was told. This situation will be messy don't expect an outcome till Oct/Nov !

Hearns statement was explicit in saying both fighters were cleared.

samwbr wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 08:07

kbackup408 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 06:04 My head is all over the gaf, hearing now that Rivas tested positive prior to the bout but nothing was told. This situation will be messy don't expect an outcome till Oct/Nov !

Hearns statement was explicit in saying both fighters were cleared.

Hearn wouldn't know that. He would only know about Whyte's test (Because Whyte told him)

The process is solely between the fighter, UKAD and the BBoC. It's a confidential process. The only reason this has come out is because someone leaked it to Thomas Hauser who then wrote a story on it.

What Eddie “forgot” to mention is that the BBBC presume innocence (and so a boxer is cleared to fight) until the appeals process has been completed - instead Hearn tried to imply that because the BBBC held a hearing, considered the evidence etc and cleared Whyte to fight that he must be innocent. All about the money for Matchroom.

The sport is a joke.

I reckon the only heavyweight in the top 10 who isn’t juicing/hasn’t juiced, could well be Wilder.

Whyte should be banned for life. Fury should already be banned for life. Joshua is probably juiced off his tits as we speak, tucked away training in secret etc

Could it be that Britain’s best clean heavyweight right now is actually David Price

I'm guessing this is the process Whyte went through/the hearing Hearn was talking about-

https://www.sportresolutions.co.uk/faqs/nadp

Not sure exactly how a hearing can can come to a conclusion that quickly after a possible doping violation though.

Historically if you look at punishments for drug taking, getting cut in sparring puts your career back more.
Drug testing is virtually non existent and it only ever happens at top level.

There has to be questions against Holyfield, Pacman and JMM. Mosely only got caught after the event.

Recently, the Furys, Canelo, Miller , BJS and Whyte spring to mind, hasn't hurt them

Greed trumps all with a lot of these snakes.

On a connected note... That the participants have to pay for VADA testing discredits them in my eyes. Why bite the hand that feeds you?

I put more credibility in UKAD's testing, they just don't have the financial clout or authority to bat away the lawyers. The trend is to suggest they are a bit if a joke outfit - this is based on those with a vested interest in portraying them as a joke whipping their fanboys into action.

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 09:10 The sport is a joke.

I reckon the only heavyweight in the top 10 who isn’t juicing/hasn’t juiced, could well be Wilder.

Had this discussion with a few pros the other day!

Parker was the name we came up with in the top 10

knockout wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 11:22

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 09:10 The sport is a joke.

I reckon the only heavyweight in the top 10 who isn’t juicing/hasn’t juiced, could well be Wilder.

Had this discussion with a few pros the other day!

Parker was the name we came up with in the top 10

With his shape you would be surprised if Ruiz was juicing!
AJ's shape has changed significantly since the Olympics, but did he go looking for someone to bulk him up or was someone brought in? He must have had a new conditioning trainer since the amateurs.

Ned Stark wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 02:11

samwbr wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 01:53

Yeah amazing that a fighter testing positive would get boxing fans talking about it. We may never know the “full story”

My mistake, let's get the pitchforks and flaming torches out.

Exoddus wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 14:13 Really good article from allegedly on his own website . About this situation. I agree with everything he said.

What about the Bernd Boente piece that mentions allegedly himself and how the Fury v Klitschko rematch was handled? Do you agree with all that too?

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 12:44

Ned Stark wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 02:11

Yeah amazing that a fighter testing positive would get boxing fans talking about it. We may never know the “full story”

My mistake, let's get the pitchforks and flaming torches out.

You’re a class act Keith!

Nondescript wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 05:17 A new interview with Eddie where he talks a little more about the Whyte situation - from 26:33 onwards in the video

End of the day if Hearns fighter was in Rivas situation he would be absolutely fuming calling for life bans etc etc. The hypocrisy is astounding.

I'm not the biggest fan of Whyte the person but ive always been led to believe it was a genuine mistake 1st time around when he got the ban early in his career, wasn't it something over the counter or in a drink or something? I'm still glad he got a ban as boxers should take full responsibilty for what they put in their system, I think Maccarinelli was the same, I hate cheats and am all for life bans but truth be told there are levels to PEDs, some are blatant cheating and some are just naïve idiots, i'll give Whyte the benefit of doubt for the time being until I know more, its clear to see this isn't another Jarrell Miller case

From what ive heard and reading between the lines, VADA have maybe debunked UKADs findings and that's why UKAD and the BBBC cleared him to fight, VADA are the numero uno when it comes to testing and its clear to see UKAD are a bunch of clowns, we just need to remember the situation with the Fury's to know that much

What I will say though UKAD need to do away with the confidential crap, even if there's a query with findings all parties involved need to be aware even its not certain theres been any wrongdoing, I feel sorry for Rivas in all this but as Eddie says if he has failed as well then he or Whyte wont know for the same reasons, UKAD don't tell anyone dick and we know the VADA tests have been fine because they would reveal all

UKAD aren't fit for purpose, they have got the resourses to fight their own cases, wasn't the reason the Fury's got off was because a courtcase would bankrupt them??

UKAD are absolute fvcking jokers

handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:09 From what ive heard and reading between the lines, VADA have maybe debunked UKADs findings and that's why UKAD and the BBBC cleared him to fight, VADA are the numero uno when it comes to testing and its clear to see UKAD are a bunch of clowns, we just need to remember the situation with the Fury's to know that much

There's plenty of reasons why ONE might find something and the other wouldn't, unless they were sharing the same sample (which would be weird). Don't imagine either were testing him every day, so what day they took the tests could have been important, how long Dbol shows up in a test could be an issue, how much fluid he had in his system for each of the tests, and even whether Dbol "pulses" in tests (see the Jon Jones case).

VADA say doing tests on the 8th, 12th and 17th might have missed it if he took it on the 13th and it was cleared from his system 3 days later, whilst UKAD could have tested him on the 14th, and bang, traces of the metabolite show up. (dates used as example, and aren't specific to this case)

VADA might be number 1 but there are still hundreds of flaws with any testing, especially when the drugs are becoming ever harder to track and it can come down to luck of the testers.

so what's the out come then guys ?
Have I got it right that preliminary he was cleared to fight pending the results of his B sample ?

CiganoBoxer wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:29 so what's the out come then guys ?
Have I got it right that preliminary he was cleared to fight pending the results of his B sample ?

You got that right. But what's odd is that I thought(?) UKAD/BBBoC rules called for 7 day suspension pending sample "B" testing. Something went off track on this one for some reason we don't know about.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:11 UKAD are absolute fvcking jokers

Why?

Their tests are the best of the lot. That they are toothless in boxing is boxing's fault not theirs.

JimStone wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:40

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:11 UKAD are absolute fvcking jokers

Why?

Their tests are the best of the lot. That they are toothless in boxing is boxing's fault not theirs.

Why? Just look at the Fury saga - may as well not even bothered doing the tests in the first place.

So he had a hearing as not enough time to test the B Sample. Over a week later, no news on the B Sample and you can bet your bollox that they have the results back from it.

That they have not said it exonerates him makes it clear that the B Sample is backing up the A Sample so they are trying to now fire legal bullshite around this to get away with it. However the truth is out there, some fanboys and idiots will go along with the narrative they present, but anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows all they need to do.

I will never fork out a bean to watch Whyte, nor will I support him in any way at all (but to complete my own double standards, I have no issue with Fury. I know, go figure?!)

Coco wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 11:44

knockout wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 11:22Had this discussion with a few pros the other day!

Parker was the name we came up with in the top 10

With his shape you would be surprised if Ruiz was juicing!

I wouldn't. He might have plenty of unseen enhanced muscle under that fat, and recall that Miller was busted for Cardarine for improved stamina. EPO's one of the tricky ones because it's detectable during its peak enhancement. So it's a big timing gamble, but also a big help.

Could it be that Wilder's more devastating 225lb self is the PED version? I'd been putting his weight loss down to the pressure of bigger fights, but it's very plausible that that was down to stricter testing. Wilder looks like one of the fittest heavies (book by its cover, I know), and yet he tires. I'd be very surprised if any top fighter's clean, but not surprised if Wilder's a lighter user.