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Controversial wrote: ↑12 Nov 2020, 09:04 I just listened to the Brian Schumacher one, interesting life but couldn’t help think that as nice a guy as he likes to portray himself as, there is no smoke without fire. Either that or he was just very unlucky.

He’s named in many true crime books as being a handful on the doors.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2020, 09:24

Controversial wrote: ↑12 Nov 2020, 09:04 I just listened to the Brian Schumacher one, interesting life but couldn’t help think that as nice a guy as he likes to portray himself as, there is no smoke without fire. Either that or he was just very unlucky.

He’s named in many true crime books as being a handful on the doors.

I'm sure he can handle himself, I didn't mean that. I think he just painted himself as mr nice guy who somehow always ended up getting dragged into some trouble. I think maybe it's not as black and white as he makes it sound. He obviously has a very short fuse, at the end of the day he's inside for murder.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2020, 09:24

Controversial wrote: ↑12 Nov 2020, 09:04 I just listened to the Brian Schumacher one, interesting life but couldn’t help think that as nice a guy as he likes to portray himself as, there is no smoke without fire. Either that or he was just very unlucky.

He’s named in many true crime books as being a handful on the doors.

I’m about half an hour in, I’ll be honest I’d never heard of him, sounds like he’s lived a crazy life, very interesting

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑12 Nov 2020, 10:44

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2020, 09:24

Controversial wrote: ↑12 Nov 2020, 09:04 I just listened to the Brian Schumacher one, interesting life but couldn’t help think that as nice a guy as he likes to portray himself as, there is no smoke without fire. Either that or he was just very unlucky.

He’s named in many true crime books as being a handful on the doors.

I’m about half an hour in, I’ll be honest I’d never heard of him, sounds like he’s lived a crazy life, very interesting

He’s only mentioned in bits, no chapters on him. Joey Owens book brings him up a bit.

Deserter wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 11:39

Coco wrote: ↑22 Oct 2020, 14:31 he pretty much got run off the board.

From memory that's a bit of a harsh interpretation mate. I can't be bothered to look through old threads but I recall him being pretty aggressive/patronising when anyone challenged his view. Know he's displayed similar behaviour on twitter as well.
As for the podcast episode, tend to agree that he came across a lot better than I expected, but also think Tris was guilty of giving him a really easy ride as they're clearly friends. Him coming in so overweight against Ward was shocking, but was pretty much brushed aside, to be honest.

If I remember correctly, he logged off shortly before the Degale fight, in a bit of a grump as some people suggested he might lose.

Without searching ancient posts, I can't say that there weren't a few wind-up merchants/or simply dickheads giving him stick, but I think most posters were respectful and diplomatic. He just really seems to struggle with opposing viewpoints to his own.

HomeofBritishBoxing did his head in!

Paul Smith is all right, very bright guy with his opinion and he is forthright - like we all are on here I suppose.

He was being digged out by wind-up merchants as was his brother Steve but with their personalities, it was easy for the wind-up merchants, I suppose it is hard to take the higher road.

Controversial wrote: ↑12 Nov 2020, 09:04 I just listened to the Brian Schumacher one, interesting life but couldn’t help think that as nice a guy as he likes to portray himself as, there is no smoke without fire. Either that or he was just very unlucky.

I remember Brian as a bubbly life and soul type who wanted everyone to be happy and those types struggle to deal with the wrong 'uns and are capable of lashing out. Brian certainly never played up as an exciting amateur. He was always a bit chinny but you couldn't keep him down and he won plenty more than he lost, including a big win over Henry Maske in an international at Milton Keynes in 1983. There was talk of him going for the ABA title record of six when he came back from the Olympics a year later (he had two) but next thing he was pro with F rank Warren and looking good. (John Lyon later won eight ABA titles.)
Brian had height and reach, a fair dig and plenty of boxing skill but he loved a tear-up and that left him vulnerable. Johnny Nelson had him down in an eight-rounder in 1987, although Brian climbed up to win on points in the days when Nelson was too nervous to follow up, and his chin let him down again in two wars with former Olympic teammate Tony Wilson for the British light-heavyweight title and he began the climb down.
I had the misfortune to witness his very last fight in Birmingham in June 1990 against local man John Foreman. As Foreman was applying the finishing touches in the fourth round, I could see Schumacher talking to him, a Scouse wit to the very end. (Foreman then sneered dismissively at ringsider Roy Skeldon, who was giving him the thumbs up for his display, prompting Roy to label Foreman "a wanker" on local radio and he stopped him when they fought three months later.)
Like most boxers, Brian struggled with life after his career ended and the bubbly personality has long gone but his boxing career was never dull and well done to Tris Dixon for giving him the time.

I remember the dust-ups with Tony Wilson. Think they might have been on ITV's Seconds Out programme.

Well, a win over Henry Maske....that's something to shout about

Just watched it, it was really interesting, he came across as a really nice bloke, I hope things start to look up for him

Hmmm not sure what to think of that interview. Too many holes in the story and a lot of YouTube comments form scousers who didn’t praise him highly as a person.

Tris, isn't time to interview David Walker, Michael Ayres, Wayne Alexander and Richard Williams ? Takaloo wouldn't go amiss either

A return to form by tris with paddy Fitzpatrick. Very entertaining interview and paddy came across well. He didn’t rip into George although I’m sure he’d have liked to.

Finally listened to the Dodson one.

Good in Points but Feck me there’s a huge excuse for every loss or bad performance. Got a bit tedious.

Great insight by Fischer on the whole Ring/Golden Boy scenario. Schaefer sounds a right tool.

Maurice Core wouldn't be a bad one to do. Champ's Camp/Phil Martin/Naz/Carl T/ups and downs/Bingo, etc...

I think he does the rounds geographically. Wharton, Ingle, Booth would be a good trip up here.
*paul and Tony.

I think you're right. He was in Sussex and nearby Hampshire for Ronnie Davies and Tony Oakey, then Merseyside for Schumacher and Bellew.

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑21 Nov 2020, 17:23 I think you're right. He was in Sussex and nearby Hampshire for Ronnie Davies and Tony Oakey, then Merseyside for Schumacher and Bellew.

And Smigga

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2020, 11:06 Maurice Core wouldn't be a bad one to do. Champ's Camp/Phil Martin/Naz/Carl T/ups and downs/Bingo, etc...

Good shout

mickey1975 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2020, 11:43 I think he does the rounds geographically. Wharton, Ingle, Booth would be a good trip up here.
*paul and Tony.

Yep, would love to hear ones with Wharton and Tony Booth

Deserter wrote: ↑22 Nov 2020, 01:21

mickey1975 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2020, 11:43 I think he does the rounds geographically. Wharton, Ingle, Booth would be a good trip up here.
*paul and Tony.

Yep, would love to hear ones with Wharton and Tony Booth

Booth has a hell of a story to tell.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2020, 01:51

Deserter wrote: ↑22 Nov 2020, 01:21

mickey1975 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2020, 11:43 I think he does the rounds geographically. Wharton, Ingle, Booth would be a good trip up here.
*paul and Tony.

Yep, would love to hear ones with Wharton and Tony Booth

Booth has a hell of a story to tell.

That's what I thought as soon as you mentioned his name!

Deserter wrote: ↑22 Nov 2020, 02:01

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2020, 01:51

Deserter wrote: ↑22 Nov 2020, 01:21

Yep, would love to hear ones with Wharton and Tony Booth

Booth has a hell of a story to tell.

That's what I thought as soon as you mentioned his name!

He’s also a very good story teller. He’s a natural light middleweight, fought at heavy, boxed in Nigeria, Christmas Day in Belgium half pissed, went off to jail for years, now he’s promoting all the biggest stars of the sport at dinners. He was also a minder for a poker world champion! And loads in between.

I think Henry would do his like Benn did. Stock answers. No way would Tris get into his family stuff.

Josh Warrington on James English podcast is good.