BoxRec

A world class finish from Alvarez Wobbled Kovalev with a thumping left hook and then pin point accuracy with a text book right hand. That was very impressive.

I have to say I wasn't over impressed with Canelo prior to the ending. With hindsight he showed immense patience and self belief, but I Kovalev 3 rounds up by the end of the 10th. I can sort of understand, however, why others had it for Canelo. The out put from Krusher was good busy, but not much power behind the shots, whereas Canelo was thudding home the few punches he did land.

Just to clarify, I am not questioning the stoppage, my point was that the ref waved it over as soon as he hit the floor. Tyson Fury looked unconscious vs Wilder but the referee counted. Again, I'm not suggesting he would have gotten up, but I am so cynical about Canelo that it was noticeable to me how quickly he waved it off. If that was Canelo hitting the deck I have no doubt the referee would have at least picked up a count (to be fair, he'd probably have picked him up off the floor and taken a point from his opponent).

Matt W wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 10:39 Just to clarify, I am not questioning the stoppage, my point was that the ref waved it over as soon as he hit the floor. Tyson Fury looked unconscious vs Wilder but the referee counted. Again, I'm not suggesting he would have gotten up, but I am so cynical about Canelo that it was noticeable to me how quickly he waved it off. If that was Canelo hitting the deck I have no doubt the referee would have at least picked up a count (to be fair, he'd probably have picked him up off the floor and taken a point from his opponent).

That's silly, kovalev was half through the ropes and clearly unconscious, no way could he have continued.

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 10:27 A world class finish from Alvarez Wobbled Kovalev with a thumping left hook and then pin point accuracy with a text book right hand. That was very impressive.

I have to say I wasn't over impressed with Canelo prior to the ending. With hindsight he showed immense patience and self belief, but I Kovalev 3 rounds up by the end of the 10th. I can sort of understand, however, why others had it for Canelo. The out put from Krusher was good busy, but not much power behind the shots, whereas Canelo was thudding home the few punches he did land.

I think the result flatters Canelo rather. If he fights beterbiev he will face far more aggression than that.

I don't buy the whole master strategy from Canelo, I think he struggled to find a way past the jab, and anybody body else looking to beat him now has a good template to beat him. Pump out a jab, mix the tempo and power, follow with the right and finish with a jab, Canelo likes to get in and out to deliver his shots, and its hard to do if he's kept busy with lots of jabs..

Kovalev was either unwilling or unable to throw in some harder jabs and right hands, and eveh then Canelo didn't catch up to him until round 11

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 12:54

Matt W wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 10:39 Just to clarify, I am not questioning the stoppage, my point was that the ref waved it over as soon as he hit the floor. Tyson Fury looked unconscious vs Wilder but the referee counted. Again, I'm not suggesting he would have gotten up, but I am so cynical about Canelo that it was noticeable to me how quickly he waved it off. If that was Canelo hitting the deck I have no doubt the referee would have at least picked up a count (to be fair, he'd probably have picked him up off the floor and taken a point from his opponent).

That's silly, kovalev was half through the ropes and clearly unconscious, no way could he have continued.

Looks like I’m standing on my own on this one haha

thechump wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 09:22

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 08:49

He Legs were gone. The middle rope probably stopped him falling out the ring. Fck all wrong with that stoppage.

He threw the fight imo,the kov that fought cleverly is just a distant memory now this kov is a fraud and a sell out. If i was Mathew Hatton id be walking around Manchester as if i was king kong after canelo "K.Oed" Kov.

You think he threw the fight? A fight most people had him winning until he was knocked out in the 11th round?

Kovalev is an old fighter and his chin was suspect. He's hardly a fraud. Alvarez on the other hand is drug cheating bastard I can't stand the pudendum.

Matt W wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 14:21Looks like I’m standing on my own on this one haha

No, I agree. As the ref I'd have been pretty sure he was done at the same point, but I'd still have called it a couple of seconds later so as not to look bought. In the same way that you might sometimes complete an 8-count with no real intention of letting a fighter continue, but you want them to know that you gave them a fair go at surprising you with their recovery. And very occasionally you might change your mind.

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 14:27

thechump wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 09:22

He threw the fight imo,the kov that fought cleverly is just a distant memory now this kov is a fraud and a sell out. If i was Mathew Hatton id be walking around Manchester as if i was king kong after canelo "K.Oed" Kov.

You think he threw the fight? A fight most people had him winning until he was knocked out in the 11th round?

Kovalev is an old fighter and his chin was suspect. He's hardly a fraud. Alvarez on the other hand is drug cheating bastard I can't stand the pudendum.

Exactly, I don't think Kovalev's showing was any less passive it was in the Eleider Alvarez rematch, even the Yarde fight he hardly demonstrated any real explosiveness, Yarde was inexperienced and gassed, Kovalev KO'd him with a jab

handsofstone wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 17:14

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 14:27

You think he threw the fight? A fight most people had him winning until he was knocked out in the 11th round?

Kovalev is an old fighter and his chin was suspect. He's hardly a fraud. Alvarez on the other hand is drug cheating bastard I can't stand the pudendum.

Exactly, I don't think Kovalev's showing was any less passive it was in the Eleider Alvarez rematch, even the Yarde fight he hardly demonstrated any real explosiveness, Yarde was inexperienced and gassed, Kovalev KO'd him with a jab

Kovalev threw a lot more full blooded shots in that fight

The way to beat Canelo is put him in with someone solid who’s under 35 or with their best years ahead. Let’s see when Canelo looks one dimensional or winded versus someone with plenty of upside.

You can see the Canelo template with the recent Andre Ward callout. 2 years off, already said his body can’t cope with the rigours of the sport, big name.

Props to Canelo for delivering, versus a solid and skilled boxer.

Let’s see:

Callum Smith, Artur Beterbiev, Dmitry Bivol.

I hope Callum gets the first shot at him, think he can beat him. The judges wont help him tho.

Think Smith is wrong for him, with the reach and precision, and also power, especially for Alvarez’s short (damaged?) legs and attacking inconsistency.

samwbr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2019, 12:36 I hope Callum gets the first shot at him, think he can beat him. The judges wont help him tho.

No chance, different levels. Who has Smith beaten other than a broken down Groves?

dr_devious wrote: ↑09 Nov 2019, 17:53

samwbr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2019, 12:36 I hope Callum gets the first shot at him, think he can beat him. The judges wont help him tho.

No chance, different levels. Who has Smith beaten other than a broken down Groves?

He's got a great chance.

dr_devious wrote: ↑09 Nov 2019, 17:53

samwbr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2019, 12:36 I hope Callum gets the first shot at him, think he can beat him. The judges wont help him tho.

No chance, different levels. Who has Smith beaten other than a broken down Groves?

Fights arent won on resume. Maybe you're right about the prediction, but why no chance based on size and ability?

It's the ability part. Callum is decent but love him or hate him Canelo is great.

I'm probably in the minority but I think Canelo is becoming massively overrated.
He got his ears boxed in against Mayweather got very lucky in decisions against GGG, Lara and I even think his fight was very close against Trout if my memory is right.
There's no denying he is a good fighter but let's get things in perspective here he could be 0-2 against GGG at best 1-1 and everyone is now saying GGG just wasn't as good as first thought or is on the decline

smiling assassin wrote: ↑10 Nov 2019, 06:53 I'm probably in the minority but I think Canelo is becoming massively overrated.
He got his ears boxed in against Mayweather got very lucky in decisions against GGG, Lara and I even think his fight was very close against Trout if my memory is right.
There's no denying he is a good fighter but let's get things in perspective here he could be 0-2 against GGG at best 1-1 and everyone is now saying GGG just wasn't as good as first thought or is on the decline

He lost to Mayweather one of the greatest boxers of the era when he was 22 years old why even mention that

I don't think anyone is doubting Ggg is / was a great

It's impossible to argue Canelo isn't one of the greatest of this era in my opinion. He just beat a proven light heavyweight. Knocked him out. Still not good enough. If he went up to heavyweight an beat Fury an Aj in one night some people would say Aj was over rated an Fury is shit

Wa1nuts wrote: ↑10 Nov 2019, 13:44

smiling assassin wrote: ↑10 Nov 2019, 06:53 I'm probably in the minority but I think Canelo is becoming massively overrated.
He got his ears boxed in against Mayweather got very lucky in decisions against GGG, Lara and I even think his fight was very close against Trout if my memory is right.
There's no denying he is a good fighter but let's get things in perspective here he could be 0-2 against GGG at best 1-1 and everyone is now saying GGG just wasn't as good as first thought or is on the decline

He lost to Mayweather one of the greatest boxers of the era when he was 22 years old why even mention that

I don't think anyone is doubting Ggg is / was a great

It's impossible to argue Canelo isn't one of the greatest of this era in my opinion. He just beat a proven light heavyweight. Knocked him out. Still not good enough. If he went up to heavyweight an beat Fury an Aj in one night some people would say Aj was over rated an Fury is poo

I mention it because he got completely out boxed and stood on his head for large parts of the fight.

full credit for Canelo knocking out Kovalev it was a highlight reel KO. This was not a prime Kovalev though far from it (everyone should be in agreement with that).

He went up to supermiddle and picked the weakest champ then he went to light heavy and fought the man on the decline il give him credit if he goes back down and boxes Smith or stays at lightheavy and boxes another champ.

smiling assassin wrote: ↑10 Nov 2019, 06:53 I'm probably in the minority but I think Canelo is becoming massively overrated.
He got his ears boxed in against Mayweather got very lucky in decisions against GGG, Lara and I even think his fight was very close against Trout if my memory is right.
There's no denying he is a good fighter but let's get things in perspective here he could be 0-2 against GGG at best 1-1 and everyone is now saying GGG just wasn't as good as first thought or is on the decline

He’s obviously very good but basically he can go 50-50 with just about anyone. Golovkin, Jacobs, Lara (with an over the weight stipulation). Beautiful rematch with Golovkin but I had Golovkin’s late surge stealing the result.

I think his punch delivery is very nice and so is the balance. But he burns a lot of energy with the ambitious attacking style and he seems to take as much out of himself as his opponent in the evenly matched fights.

He’s at that stage where he can pick ‘em and props for delivering the KO vs Kovalev in the calculated gamble fight. That low work rate bodes ill for his chances against Beterbiev & Bivol, unless he can drag the latter under 175. It’ll all go wrong when the narrow decisions start going against him or when the younger and nastie guys start taking it to him.

His output is pretty low and he threatens to get outworked by considerably older and more shopworn opposition. My biggest gripe is I don’t like that style of throwing flashy shots then spending large portions of rounds getting his wind back.

Smith will do him.

Only just got to see this. I thought that he wasn't doing enough up to the stoppage. The knockout was perfect though, and it wasn't stopped to soon, Kov didn't know what had hit him.

I think Callum beats him on workrate if can avoid getting caught flush and that it would be great fight.

I reckon Callum could draw him into a shootout late rounds and stop him.

He'd have knocked Kovalev out quicker too.

Joe Gallagher was desperate to get Kovalev as an opportunity for Smith to showcase his power versus a vulnerable name.

Hope Smith can secure a big name.

I was really up for Smith v Saunders but that couldn’t be made. Would’ve liked to see Smith chop down a slickster, overcome some difficult moments.