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maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:46

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:32

maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:23

What else could it be then? The promoter doesn’t appoint the judges, the board does. So has Eddie bribed Robert Smith to get the judges he wants? Or does he have all the judges in his back pocket?

I agree my argument makes them very very shady but I still think it’s incompetence because they don’t want to upset the status quo so take the ‘easy’ decision.

i think there is for sure some element of corruption, some extra incentive being provided for the judges to go for the homeboi, which they constantly do to a hugely disporportionate degree. it doesnt have to necessarily be bags of cash and all that, and im not specifically saying your man eddeh's behind it

and i mean, having a predetermined unfair bias to score in favour of someone simply because you know theyre more popular is for sure corruption too, it's not being a poor judge who cant tell a clean hit from a swing and a miss

There may be nice hotels/meals/drinks for judges but I’d be amazed if there’s anything more formal than that and if it was happening with one promoter then I’d maybe expect more to it but it’s all promoters. I listened to an interview with Jon Pegg the other day. One judge had the Eggington vs Theophane fight level after 6 rounds (Theophane was promoter’s fighter at that point).

Corruption involves someone gaining from doing something which I don’t think this is and may not even be pre-determined but if they’re mulling over who to give a round to the vast majority of the time they go for the ‘easy’ option. Whether you call it corruption or incompetence or whatever it needs addressing and needs to stop.

I've been debating and and discussing the judging issue in boxing for years. It's the reason why the fightnight scores scorecard system exists!!

Back in 2017 (as it was when I made the initial concept), I was wondering why and arguing the fact that in this day and age of technology, is boxing the only one not to take up modern tech to improve things.
Why are they still doing scorecards on pen and paper? Apart from compubox, which isn't by any means accurate and is only used for TV analysis, why doesn't boxing try new things with tech?

I created a boxing scorecard with the added requirement of adding a valid reason along with the 10 pont must scores.
This very minor addition means the judge must at least put SOME thought into why they are indicating a round was won
It answers the question "how the f*!k did they score that round like that?", which us fight fans continually ask!
It provides a snapshot of their thinking at that moment in time. It's not revolutionary, but it adds some kind of countability to the official if they had to provide that one extra detail on their scorecard. And my system provides a set number of possible reasons to select from why the round was won!

As well as adding some accountability, there would be no need for the strange delays when adding up scorecards at the end of fights. Electronic cards will tally up the totals instantly with no need for discussions or dodgy corrections!

But boxing is a dinosaur, and it'll probably always be resistent to any changes that rock the boat!

forcefraser wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 20:00 Shocking that his corner let him get knocked out like that. Clearly Foster should have stoped it, but when he wouldnt stop it, they should.

Could be a career changer that beating. he was simply outgunned. Showed balls and heart but he was beaten up fair and square.

Agreed. The corner were foolish to let it go on.

But if they stopped it. They would be out of a job and we would never know what wouldve happened.

They might be out of a job anyway. The tactics were shocking. Either they didnt coach warrington to box or he didnt listen to them.

Tale as old as time. The boxer will likely change trainer now

Absolute disaster for Matchroom, lost the Ibf and Kid Galahad on the books cos of this tune up.

Think they'll blame weight and move up...far from the end in terms of opportunity for Warrington but he might not be the same fighter...and he might not be at super featherweight anyway as he one of his strengths is his strength at Feather.

Could Eddie work with Frank to do a Framptom rematch if Carl gets the Super feather title fight

Watched this fight with great interest , My facebook stream kept stuffing up, so i would in between rnds change streams , it was interesti g in one stream smith wouldbe calling it and making excuses for JW , something wrong , something no right ,ect ect , But in the next stream with no sound i seen a different Warringtonn ,, I sen a warrington who was actually boxinbg quite well, so why did he lose Simp.e , boxing is the hurt game and if you can,t hurt your opponent you cannot command his respect and slow him down , Jw got hit and got hurt , Lara got hit and did,nt get hurt , Alls Lara had to do was keep coming and keep throwing and the end was inevitable ,, Jw was,nt boxing badly he just could,nt wear the heavy han ds He was,nt the first and he won,t be the last Zelfra Barret and Benn will be the next has soon has they step them up , The Barret result was disgraceful has well

Thought Wood looked good tonight, picked his shots nicely and closed the show in emphatic fashion. Entertaining card to be fair, shame about the honking judging overshadowing things once again.

Darke used to chat a bit of backstory if the action dulled, but Smith doesn't realise it's often a mistake at any other time.

He's always trapping himself because he lacks insight, applying his own narratives to fights like a jigsaw jammer instead. “He's well-known for his harrrd-punching.” *said fighter lands a clean shot* “Just maybe his powwwer isn't as fearsome as its reputation, Matt?”

stujones wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 20:09 Absolute disaster for Matchroom, lost the Ibf and Kid Galahad on the books cos of this tune up.

Think they'll blame weight and move up...far from the end in terms of opportunity for Warrington but he might not be the same fighter...and he might not be at super featherweight anyway as he one of his strengths is his strength at Feather.

Could Eddie work with Frank to do a Framptom rematch if Carl gets the Super feather title fight

But the Zelfa Barrett train rolls on!

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:57 Hearn to sign Lara..

I thought that too.
At 22 Lara is pretty good and may not even have his man strength yet. Probably cheap as well.
I'd sign him, make a good sparring partner if not a contender.

blanca wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:38

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:37

Thats bang on

It is bang on, but remember the corner had ample opportunity to call the stoppage at the end of the round (when warrington was walking like pinnocchio) and had the perfect excuse with Warrington having suffered shoulder damage. It still would have meant defeat but would not have been so disastrous.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:35 Adam Booth is a bit of a weirdo, but he does bring some welcome sensible analysis to Sky Sports.

Adam has his own style, always reminds me of a very calm schoolteacher. But he talks sense and says it as it is, He is deffo not a 'yes' man.

Is Lara now the Linear champion......

Says the guy who hasn’t fought in a year.

dont get people saying it should have been stopped in the fourth. it's a fight, you go down and if you can get up you get the chance to put it right. warrington had a decent fifth, but it looked to me like he was gassed early so either over or under trained. it said he had a new S and C coach so i'd be asking a few questions there. he certainly didnt start as though he was confident of doing 10 rounds at his usual pace.

Thinking about the controversial scorecards tonight , wonder what the bubble situation is to blame ? Fighters / trainers / promoter / official's all spending the last week together , have the judges been brainwashed all week , seems a bit un healthy for them to be that close together just can't see them been kept apart or am I wrong ?

Just caught up with the fight what a performance by lara. The boy can bang. Warrington showed heart and balls took some massive shots. Was lucky not to b stopped in the 4th. Funny old game boxing. Gunna b interesting to see what route josh goes now in the rebuild

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Feb 2021, 03:53

Or maybe you were never as good as you think you were, Carl?

Enjoyed seeing Warrington lose. His fans are enough to put you off any fighter. Glad he's not sustained any injury and was OK in the end,hopefully he will come back a bit more humble,and his fans will GTF

Alba wrote: ↑14 Feb 2021, 04:32 Enjoyed seeing Warrington lose. His fans are enough to put you off any fighter. Glad he's not sustained any injury and was OK in the end,hopefully he will come back a bit more humble,and his fans will GTF

Me too,I was just waiting though for the ref to jump in the very second Lara wobbled slightly,This was a classic case of overlooking an opponent and planning the next few fights and i loved it

Judges and referees do what will keep getting them assignments. So they stick to the script and favour the A-side.

Octavio Meyran was never seen again after he upset Don King.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Feb 2021, 03:50

Says the guy who hasn’t fought in a year.

That’s his point, and why he tried to squeeze one in in December. He’s said on record it’s unfair for him to be out this long, BJS to be so inactive and even used Conor McGregor as an example. He’s been very vocal about it.

veriton wrote: ↑14 Feb 2021, 03:59 dont get people saying it should have been stopped in the fourth. it's a fight, you go down and if you can get up you get the chance to put it right. warrington had a decent fifth, but it looked to me like he was gassed early so either over or under trained. it said he had a new S and C coach so i'd be asking a few questions there. he certainly didnt start as though he was confident of doing 10 rounds at his usual pace.

If the ref had asked Josh to walk straight towards him after the first KD, he would have wobbled- and that's a stoppage.

Even his dressing room looked a bit eerie. It looked like they were waiting for a bus. His dad still had his Mould t shirt on twenty minutes before the ring walk.