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tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 13:50

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 13:35 who would win bowe vs wilder?

Peak for peak - it's a miss match with Bowe blowing away Wilder very quickly. If a fat slob like Fury can stand in front of Wilder, then a technically superior fighter like Bowe simply demolishes Wilder as he likes

So Hide can give him nightmares for 6 rounds? You lot are on glue.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 14:09 Nobody's willing to tell me who Lewis and Tyson got up to beat? Its a very straightforward question.

lewis eventually got up to beat mccall and rahman

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 14:09 Nobody's willing to tell me who Lewis and Tyson got up to beat? Its a very straightforward question.

you don't know the answer?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 14:12

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 13:50

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 13:35 who would win bowe vs wilder?

Peak for peak - it's a miss match with Bowe blowing away Wilder very quickly. If a fat slob like Fury can stand in front of Wilder, then a technically superior fighter like Bowe simply demolishes Wilder as he likes

So Hide can give him nightmares for 6 rounds? You lot are on glue.

Nighmares for 6rnds

Hide was bouncing off the canvas from the 3rd and finished before end of 6th end.

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:03

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 14:12

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 13:50
Peak for peak - it's a miss match with Bowe blowing away Wilder very quickly. If a fat slob like Fury can stand in front of Wilder, then a technically superior fighter like Bowe simply demolishes Wilder as he likes

So Hide can give him nightmares for 6 rounds? You lot are on glue.

Nighmares for 6rnds

Hide was bouncing off the canvas from the 3rd and finished before end of 6th end.

for the first two rounds hide won

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:03

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 14:12

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 13:50
Peak for peak - it's a miss match with Bowe blowing away Wilder very quickly. If a fat slob like Fury can stand in front of Wilder, then a technically superior fighter like Bowe simply demolishes Wilder as he likes

So Hide can give him nightmares for 6 rounds? You lot are on glue.

Nighmares for 6rnds

Hide was bouncing off the canvas from the 3rd and finished before end of 6th end.

So Wilder and Fury wouldn't last one?

dan28uk wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:16

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:03

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 14:12

So Hide can give him nightmares for 6 rounds? You lot are on glue.

Nighmares for 6rnds

Hide was bouncing off the canvas from the 3rd and finished before end of 6th end.

for the first two rounds hide won

Did Hide not know it was a 12nd fight?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:38

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:03

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 14:12

So Hide can give him nightmares for 6 rounds? You lot are on glue.

Nighmares for 6rnds

Hide was bouncing off the canvas from the 3rd and finished before end of 6th end.

So Wilder and Fury wouldn't last one?

It would be no surprise to imagine Bowe getting Wilder out of there in 1.
As for Fury ... maybe 2022 will provide us with more information to base imaginary predictions on.

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:49

dan28uk wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:16

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:03

Nighmares for 6rnds

Hide was bouncing off the canvas from the 3rd and finished before end of 6th end.

for the first two rounds hide won

Did Hide not know it was a 12nd fight?

not sure anyone knows a 12nd fight

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:56

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:38

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:03

Nighmares for 6rnds

Hide was bouncing off the canvas from the 3rd and finished before end of 6th end.

So Wilder and Fury wouldn't last one?

It would be no surprise to imagine Bowe getting Wilder out of there in 1.
As for Fury ... maybe 2022 will provide us with more information to base imaginary predictions on.

Ok. So Wilder wouldn't be in Bowes top 40 opponents?

dan28uk wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 16:08

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:49

dan28uk wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:16

for the first two rounds hide won

Did Hide not know it was a 12nd fight?

not sure anyone knows a 12nd fight

OK .. I bet Hide kicked himself afterwards for thinking it was a 2rnd fight and not a 12rnd fight .. who`da funk a 12rnd fight for an eliminator??

no i don’t funk he had much memory of it the next 4 rounds

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 16:11

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:56

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:38
So Wilder and Fury wouldn't last one?

It would be no surprise to imagine Bowe getting Wilder out of there in 1.
As for Fury ... maybe 2022 will provide us with more information to base imaginary predictions on.

Ok. So Wilder wouldn't be in Bowes top 40 opponents?

I wouldnt like to say.

Care to explain the direction of this random question though?

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 16:21

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 16:11

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:56

It would be no surprise to imagine Bowe getting Wilder out of there in 1.
As for Fury ... maybe 2022 will provide us with more information to base imaginary predictions on.

Ok. So Wilder wouldn't be in Bowes top 40 opponents?

I wouldnt like to say.

Care to explain the direction of this random question though?

Well most got out of the first round?

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 16:17

dan28uk wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 16:08

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:49

Did Hide not know it was a 12nd fight?

not sure anyone knows a 12nd fight

OK .. I bet Hide kicked himself afterwards for thinking it was a 2rnd fight and not a 12rnd fight .. who`da funk a 12rnd fight for an eliminator??

It was for the WBO?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 16:24

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 16:21

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 16:11
Ok. So Wilder wouldn't be in Bowes top 40 opponents?

I wouldnt like to say.

Care to explain the direction of this random question though?

Well most got out of the first round?

Bowe had a pretty good record of getting them out of there within 3rnd.

Yes - my mistake - just checked - was for WBO title

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 12:16

polecateddy wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 11:00

TopGun wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 10:14 Ok so lets look at the obvious Heavy Weights at their prime when Bruno was around. I don't think Bruno can say that Fury wouldn't do well.....

Fury vs..........

Lennox Lewis - Lewis could just about edge it,
Mike Tyson - This is a tough call, could Fury really hold him off for 12 rounds, did Tyson have 12 rounds in him.
Evander Holyfield - Actually think he maybe the one that causes Fury the most trouble.

Vitali Klitschko - Definitely goes to points - Draw (arguably was not around during Bruno's days)

Why exactly wouldn’t Fury suffer multiple knockdowns against these illustrious greats? I’d see quite a large danger of Lewis totally outclassing him.

Why wouldn't he have gotten up? He always does. As I've said, Lewis and Tyson can't.

...apart from Lewis -Akinwande, where of course Lewis did.

Billy Tully wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 12:41

polecateddy wrote: ↑03 Jan 2022, 20:14

tonyevs wrote: ↑03 Jan 2022, 14:05 A truly great fighter Holyfield.
No doubt he was chemically enhanced as most were/are. But like Canelo .. PEDs dont put muscle on chins or give you any more skills .. they do however allow smaller guys to compete against naturally bigger guys (.. who are probably on them too)

Holyfield was questioned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission about HGH usage following his 1994 loss to Michael Moorer. There was also PED packages send to ‘Evan Fields.’ But of course none of the mud really stuck. I’d imagine all those heart issues re Moorer 1 was overdoing stacks. But I wound imagine Lewis was on stuff too. He certainly bulked up a good stone plus of muscle as he went on.

The 'heart issue' was cleared up in 1995 but the story won't die. It wasn't a heart issue, it was a misdiagnosis because the hospital had his body pumped full of morphine. There's a more technical explanation on HBO pre fight before the Mercer fight for those who weren't there at the time.

He did go into the Moorer fight with a shoulder injury, but no heart problems.

...and let me guess, Holyfield wasn't a massive PED abuser either?

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 15:03

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 14:12

tonyevs wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 13:50
Peak for peak - it's a miss match with Bowe blowing away Wilder very quickly. If a fat slob like Fury can stand in front of Wilder, then a technically superior fighter like Bowe simply demolishes Wilder as he likes

So Hide can give him nightmares for 6 rounds? You lot are on glue.

Nighmares for 6rnds

Hide was bouncing off the canvas from the 3rd and finished before end of 6th end.

Yes I think that's right. Hide did box like a dream for 1 round against Vitali, coming back to the corner and saying it was too easy. Similarly a lovely 2 rounds against Bowe. But his chin was terrible. Bowe was a fading fighter by then and did make a meal of stopping Hide, who kept jumping up and flurrying like a madman. I think in truth the occasion totally got to Hide, who complained he couldn't even run a lap of the running track without getting exhausted. I think his head was gone.

polecateddy wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 16:53

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 12:16

polecateddy wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 11:00

Why exactly wouldn’t Fury suffer multiple knockdowns against these illustrious greats? I’d see quite a large danger of Lewis totally outclassing him.

Why wouldn't he have gotten up? He always does. As I've said, Lewis and Tyson can't.

...apart from Lewis -Akinwande, where of course Lewis did.

Of course. Did he get a count? Was it official?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 19:27

polecateddy wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 16:53

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 12:16
Why wouldn't he have gotten up? He always does. As I've said, Lewis and Tyson can't.

...apart from Lewis -Akinwande, where of course Lewis did.

Of course. Did he get a count? Was it official?

One of the many injustices of Henry Akinwande. I always thought he was quite good after he found a punch and cleaned up fighters like Jeremy Williams. It’s a real shame the Holyfield fight fell through. He was well capable of picking some holes in the game of Fury and Joshua in my opinion, (which obviously isn’t a widely held one! Lol)
…still you can’t say Lewis didn’t ever get off the canvas and win a fight.

So he got officially knocked down?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 23:08 So he got officially knocked down?

Whether it was official or not is fairly irrelevant. Referees can make poor judgement calls in the heat of the moment. What you have earlier suggested is that Tyson Fury was better than Lennox Lewis because Lewis never got off the floor to win a fight. This isn’t true. I think the rabbit hole you’re going down with all this is problematic because Fury is still an active fighter. It would be surprising for me if he didn’t finish his career being stopped a number of times because I think his chin is a bit questionable and his approach to training no longer appears professional. Every fight he appears now to be carrying more body fat and the training camps are shorter and more chaotic.

I

polecateddy wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 05:37

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 23:08 So he got officially knocked down?

Whether it was official or not is fairly irrelevant. Referees can make poor judgement calls in the heat of the moment. What you have earlier suggested is that Tyson Fury was better than Lennox Lewis because Lewis never got off the floor to win a fight. This isn’t true. I think the rabbit hole you’re going down with all this is problematic because Fury is still an active fighter. It would be surprising for me if he didn’t finish his career being stopped a number of times because I think his chin is a bit questionable and his approach to training no longer appears professional. Every fight he appears now to be carrying more body fat and the training camps are shorter and more chaotic.

He's in training now with Parker. We will never know how anyone would get on with people from different eras. I'm just stating facts.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 05:51

polecateddy wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 05:37

mickey1975 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 23:08 So he got officially knocked down?

Whether it was official or not is fairly irrelevant. Referees can make poor judgement calls in the heat of the moment. What you have earlier suggested is that Tyson Fury was better than Lennox Lewis because Lewis never got off the floor to win a fight. This isn’t true. I think the rabbit hole you’re going down with all this is problematic because Fury is still an active fighter. It would be surprising for me if he didn’t finish his career being stopped a number of times because I think his chin is a bit questionable and his approach to training no longer appears professional. Every fight he appears now to be carrying more body fat and the training camps are shorter and more chaotic.

He's in training now with Parker. We will never know how anyone would get on with people from different eras. I'm just stating facts.

I’d think the list is longer than this by far, but the fighters who’d beat Fury next fight would include Joyce, who would run his stamina down to zero, and two fighters who would be too sharp and skilled for him; Usyk and Hrgović.