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Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025, 04:10 The rules are one thing, what actually happens is another. That almost all of us here suspect that Fabio would have been asked questions, walked around, had his gloves wiped and asked more questions had he been the one to get knocked down just show how important being the A-side is. It all adds to the legendary status of Usyk who has been the B-side most of his career and still achieved what he has.

Good job it wasn’t a Brit ref for the Dubois low blow.

JC wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025, 10:44

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025, 04:10 The rules are one thing, what actually happens is another. That almost all of us here suspect that Fabio would have been asked questions, walked around, had his gloves wiped and asked more questions had he been the one to get knocked down just show how important being the A-side is. It all adds to the legendary status of Usyk who has been the B-side most of his career and still achieved what he has.

Good job it wasn’t a Brit ref for the Dubois low blow.

Yes. Usyk will need to be emphatic in the rematch. The British will do their best to rump him this time IMO - even though I think most British fans would prefer Usyk to win.

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025, 10:48

JC wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025, 10:44

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025, 04:10 The rules are one thing, what actually happens is another. That almost all of us here suspect that Fabio would have been asked questions, walked around, had his gloves wiped and asked more questions had he been the one to get knocked down just show how important being the A-side is. It all adds to the legendary status of Usyk who has been the B-side most of his career and still achieved what he has.

Good job it wasn’t a Brit ref for the Dubois low blow.

Yes. Usyk will need to be emphatic in the rematch. The British will do their best to rump him this time IMO - even though I think most British fans would prefer Usyk to win.

I don't think he could be any more emphatic than he already was. He won basically every round over Dubois and stopped him the 1st time they fought.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025, 10:50

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025, 10:48

JC wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025, 10:44

Good job it wasn’t a Brit ref for the Dubois low blow.

Yes. Usyk will need to be emphatic in the rematch. The British will do their best to rump him this time IMO - even though I think most British fans would prefer Usyk to win.

I don't think he could be any more emphatic than he already was. He won basically every round over Dubois and stopped him the 1st time they fought.

he needs to stop getting punched in the knackers by Dubois. won't be emphatic until that happens

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025, 04:10 The rules are one thing, what actually happens is another. That almost all of us here suspect that Fabio would have been asked questions, walked around, had his gloves wiped and asked more questions had he been the one to get knocked down just show how important being the A-side is. It all adds to the legendary status of Usyk who has been the B-side most of his career and still achieved what he has.

Excellent point you made here ... Although i do think has much has Usyk is the consumate profesional , and feelings are kept to one side with him , I do think that DD has talked himself into a beating this time round , his continual bleating and carry on , I think Usyk will want to make a statement , and whats more unless he has gotton old overnight , lost his sparkle in the last few months , I think he will make a statement and theres not a thing DD can do about it , except well maybee another low blow or two

Propa and friends interview Fabio after the fight.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025, 17:34

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025, 17:23 Hahaha



He’s Exposing it himself Now

Doesn't the ref pick up the count from ringside once he's returned from taking the boxer to the neutral corner?

No, the ringside ref starts the count so even if the ref takes 3 seconds or 5 seconds to put the other guy in the neutral corner it shouldn make a difference.


Btw, I think this is a fast count, when I first seen it it felt fast to me, so I closed my eyes on the replay and counted myself, and this fight was waved off before I got to 8. Huni was up before 10 imo, and it should've been a case of the ref deciding if he was ok or not (no complaints if he decides at that point he's not ready).

Like another poster mentioned, had it been Wardley on the canvas he probably would've been walked around the ring, asked if he was ok 3 or 4 times, check he can put his gloves up ok, walked to a red corner by mistake (on purpose) then into the neutral one, the other guy told to get back a few steps, ask the other guy if he's ready, etc etc etc


The amount of tricks these refs use to influence a fight in favour of the home town bias is just so obvious.

Ricky wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025, 03:21

mickey1975 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025, 17:34

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025, 17:23 Hahaha



He’s Exposing it himself Now

Doesn't the ref pick up the count from ringside once he's returned from taking the boxer to the neutral corner?

No, the ringside ref starts the count so even if the ref takes 3 seconds or 5 seconds to put the other guy in the neutral corner it shouldn make a difference.


Btw, I think this is a fast count, when I first seen it it felt fast to me, so I closed my eyes on the replay and counted myself, and this fight was waved off before I got to 8. Huni was up before 10 imo, and it should've been a case of the ref deciding if he was ok or not (no complaints if he decides at that point he's not ready).

Like another poster mentioned, had it been Wardley on the canvas he probably would've been walked around the ring, asked if he was ok 3 or 4 times, check he can put his gloves up ok, walked to a red corner by mistake (on purpose) then into the neutral one, the other guy told to get back a few steps, ask the other guy if he's ready, etc etc etc


The amount of tricks these refs use to influence a fight in favour of the home town bias is just so obvious.

Yep. Was up before 10 for a fast count. Wasn't wobbly on his feet when he was up. A type of bad refereeing that only ever helps the home fighter. Especially when the home fighter needs a get out of jail free card a bit like Wardley did

It’s a “10 count” not a “10 second count” so there will be slightly different lengths. It just highlights what a fine line there is between winning and losing. Look how Fury was handled when flattened by Wilder. Some refs would’ve waived that off while he was flat on his back but that ref allowed him to get up just before he reached ten and then wiped his gloves, gave him a talking to, let him walk in a straight line to check he wasn’t wobbly and then fight on. Some maybe think Fury was given too much time, others might say the ref done a good job.

The problem is the consistency that the A-Side is given the leeway of checking if he walk here, walk there etc. These are crucial seconds he is getting as his body is recovering with every second. It's consistent that the A-side gets this and the B-side doesnt. Terry O Connor lifting Cleverly to his own corner at the bell comes to mind.

Consistancy is the issue. In 10 and 12 round fights there should be a very simple standard practice.

-For a start no one should be getting waved off befor 10 unless they are bartered to the point of “we are stopping this to get the oxygen on him now and those extra 3 seconds are too long to wait”

-Then when someone gets up I think they should just standardise a 5 second check badly hurt or not, same amount of time, 5 seconds. After 5 seconds they fight or get waved off, not befor.

-refs would still have the same golden excuse of “his eyes were no good”, but it would give everyone the same chance. It would be 50 times harder to govern massive a side favors.

- b side corners would have to get a bit better at throwing the towel I guess.

End of the day its a sport, and the key component of sport is fair and equal treatment. As an outsider If you watched how huni got treated vs fury in the first wilder fight you could not figure out what the rules are and what the refs are taught.

Remember when Wilder got a whole round to recover then the ref checked him before the next round started...

But home favouritism exists in every sport. You see it in every football game you ever watch.

I haven’t checked but depending on the governing body it’s fought under the rules may differ. For example some have the three knockdown rule, others don’t, I think the mandatory 8 count isn’t used by some governing bodies. The count rules may differ too.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025, 07:01 The problem is the consistency that the A-Side is given the leeway of checking if he walk here, walk there etc. These are crucial seconds he is getting as his body is recovering with every second. It's consistent that the A-side gets this and the B-side doesnt. Terry O Connor lifting Cleverly to his own corner at the bell comes to mind.

Fury wasn't the A side for Wilder 1.

Wazza was listed as a promotor of the fight. Jack Riess has main character syndrome like Steve Smoger so he will do everything to make himself the center of attention so I take that into account as well. The general point of A Side reffing stands. It wasn't long ago that the time keeper, whose job is to sit there looking specifically at the time, got it wrong to the tune of 10 seconds when Dubois had been down 3 times and looked to be quitting. An honest mistake we were told. Corruption in boxing is just endemic

Also, Jack is still a decent ref when he wants to be.

He told both guys backstage before the fight that he will give them both time in the fight and won’t just call it off.

He would have done the same for Fury or Wilder.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025, 07:41

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025, 07:01 The problem is the consistency that the A-Side is given the leeway of checking if he walk here, walk there etc. These are crucial seconds he is getting as his body is recovering with every second. It's consistent that the A-side gets this and the B-side doesnt. Terry O Connor lifting Cleverly to his own corner at the bell comes to mind.

Fury wasn't the A side for Wilder 1.

It was in the USA, though. Yank refs don't tend to do quick stoppages, Americans aren't as tolerant to such nonsense as Brits. If they are going to screw it, they tend to leave it to the judges.

I still would say this is a typical British stoppage as opposed to a corrupt stoppage.

Remember Derek Chisora vs Malik Scott? He rose on the point of 9 and the commentators said "he wasn't in a position to defend himself at 10". This happens quite frequently in the UK.

I still think Fury would have been called off in the UK as no way was Fury in a position to continue at 10. He was trying to clear his head on 10 with his guard way down. Technically, Scott was in better shape on 10 than Fury was.

I see this as a British stoppage as opposed to a corrupt stoppage. In the US, I think Huni would have been given a chance - remember Hearns vs Barkley, Curry vs McCory etc all given a chance to continue. In the UK, well yes I have seen worst stoppages.

I think personally that Huni was probably one shot from being knocked unconscious. However, I thought the same about Fury also. Should he have been given the chance..... well I'm torn on that one. I mean I was for Khan being given the chance against Prescott, but also see Lewis vs McCall as a very fair stoppage.

Strictly speaking Huni wasn’t standing when the ref reached 10 so the rules state he was counted out, it’s a moot point whether he should’ve been given time to wipe his gloves etc. Literally a split second in it and I’m sure another ref might have done it different and of course lots of examples where fighters are given long counts etc.

Controversial wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025, 12:20 Strictly speaking Huni wasn’t standing when the ref reached 10 so the rules state he was counted out, it’s a moot point whether he should’ve been given time to wipe his gloves etc. Literally a split second in it and I’m sure another ref might have done it different and of course lots of examples where fighters are given long counts etc.

It’s a 10 count. Not a 10 second count.

Put the timer away.

Also, once he took over the count at 5, it was a fast count anyway.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025, 12:37

Controversial wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025, 12:20 Strictly speaking Huni wasn’t standing when the ref reached 10 so the rules state he was counted out, it’s a moot point whether he should’ve been given time to wipe his gloves etc. Literally a split second in it and I’m sure another ref might have done it different and of course lots of examples where fighters are given long counts etc.

It’s a 10 count. Not a 10 second count.

Put the timer away.

Also, once he took over the count at 5, it was a fast count anyway.

Yes I know it’s a 10 count but it still lasted 10 seconds so it can’t be said it was fast. A fast 10 count would be less than 10 seconds.

i honestly think people are being too emotional about this. Huni was counted out, was still a bit out of it once he was on his feet and if he'd not been counted out and was allowed to carry on, Wardley would have blasted him into another dimension. He'd have been Fraser Clarked. "Going out on his shield" AKA x3 XP CTE damage. wahey.

he was great for 9.5 rounds and seems like a top lad.

golden_labrador wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025, 14:53 i honestly think people are being too emotional about this. Huni was counted out, was still a bit out of it once he was on his feet and if he'd not been counted out and was allowed to carry on, Wardley would have blasted him into another dimension. He'd have been Fraser Clarked. "Going out on his shield" AKA x3 XP CTE damage. wahey.

he was great for 9.5 rounds and seems like a top lad.

We'll never know if Wardley would have blasted him into another dimension. Wilder didn't blast Fury into another dimension.

golden_labrador wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025, 14:53 i honestly think people are being too emotional about this. Huni was counted out, was still a bit out of it once he was on his feet and if he'd not been counted out and was allowed to carry on, Wardley would have blasted him into another dimension. He'd have been Fraser Clarked. "Going out on his shield" AKA x3 XP CTE damage. wahey.

he was great for 9.5 rounds and seems like a top lad.

You can't have this logic. Plenty of fighters have looked borderline coming back from a knockdown and then come back and won.