464 pointspugilisticspecialist wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 08:04 If WIlder KO's Fury in the first round, what will Wilder's rating score be afterwards?
Boxers were much more busy in former times - so they would be strongly preferred.jamamb wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 07:05 so does this system punish ambitious guys who will fight the #2, then several of the next best guys the same year ? it doesnt rate them any higher then if they just beat the #2? is that right?
if that is true, it is especially out of place in a historically shallow division like cruiser, where a few high level wins really goes a long way for a fighters standing
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rank|division |boxer_id|name | r_old| r_new
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1|Heavyweight | 11023|Sam Langford |1656.68|4197.12
2|Heavyweight | 9027|Joe Louis |2018.56|2992.91
3|Heavyweight | 180|Muhammad Ali |1758.47|2589.91
4|Heavyweight | 1187|Jack Johnson |1638.37|2565.81
5|Heavyweight | 9012|Ezzard Charles |1322.53|2448.09
6|Heavyweight | 17615|Harry Wills |1164.07|2275.76
7|Heavyweight | 9046|Gene Tunney |1332.13|2209.45
8|Heavyweight | 499|Evander Holyfield |1522.48|1898.14
9|Heavyweight | 9032|Rocky Marciano |1334.11|1725.14
10|Heavyweight | 9974|Jimmy Bivins | 652.74|1708.22
11|Heavyweight | 10552|Bob Fitzsimmons |1554.18|1638.71
12|Heavyweight | 11622|Sam McVea | 899.99|1500.64
13|Heavyweight | 9038|Floyd Patterson |1187.07|1497.46
14|Heavyweight | 10616|Jack Sharkey |1087.90|1476.33
15|Heavyweight | 11631|Joe Jeannette | 597.06|1429.48
16|Heavyweight | 10744|Tommy Burns | 955.75|1355.23
17|Heavyweight | 150|Larry Holmes | 953.16|1334.27
18|Heavyweight | 9041|Max Schmeling |1201.91|1320.28
19|Heavyweight | 7035|Wladimir Klitschko |1060.03|1246.49
20|Heavyweight | 12077|Max Baer |1125.18|1224.57
21|Heavyweight | 474|Mike Tyson | 758.01|1064.57
22|Heavyweight | 11627|Marvin Hart | 667.14|1008.81
23|Heavyweight | 11641|Fireman Jim Flynn | 725.21| 992.29
24|Heavyweight | 147|Joe Frazier | 818.37| 989.78
25|Heavyweight | 12052|Young Stribling | 318.86| 955.26
26|Heavyweight | 1853|Lennox Lewis | 616.70| 913.71
27|Heavyweight | 9009|Jack Dempsey | 619.87| 885.97
28|Heavyweight | 9022|James J. Jeffries | 761.32| 843.11
29|Heavyweight | 90|George Foreman | 710.43| 826.56
30|Heavyweight | 9031|Sonny Liston | 605.39| 817.48
31|Heavyweight | 10799|Peter Maher | 558.66| 801.81
32|Heavyweight | 11028|Jersey Joe Walcott | 586.68| 790.33
33|Heavyweight | 10784|Frank Slavin | 630.86| 744.54
34|Heavyweight | 10540|Joe Choynski | 501.33| 725.19
35|Heavyweight | 11290|Gunboat Smith | 379.27| 705.30
36|Heavyweight | 12086|Primo Carnera | 424.00| 703.79
37|Heavyweight | 168|Ken Norton | 546.83| 661.74
38|Heavyweight | 12138|Tami Mauriello | 332.64| 652.08
39|Heavyweight | 7033|Vitali Klitschko | 523.60| 633.05
40|Heavyweight | 11300|Chuck Wiggins | 248.00| 592.37
41|Heavyweight | 1640|Riddick Bowe | 444.50| 580.98
42|Heavyweight | 10543|Peter Jackson | 555.79| 573.04
43|Heavyweight | 12711|Ingemar Johansson | 490.99| 569.88
44|Heavyweight | 13546|Charley Weinert | 338.15| 558.17
45|Heavyweight | 10881|Eddie Machen | 300.34| 556.58
46|Heavyweight | 12126|Arturo Godoy | 476.03| 540.64
47|Heavyweight | 11637|Peter Felix | 420.35| 525.45
48|Heavyweight | 9385|Jerry Quarry | 363.09| 525.27
49|Heavyweight | 16479|Mike Schreck | 269.54| 519.42
50|Heavyweight | 12072|Jim Braddock | 452.00| 509.70
Here Cruiserweight All Time Ratings - current versionjamamb wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 22:08 thats a good point, although for cruiserweight specifically i think its not so relevant. usyk having beat another pair of 3s in the same year as beating the 2 is a huge deal imo for his atg standing at cruiser, where the division doesnt stretch back so much to days of huge activity and where many fighters dont really have loads of standout wins.
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rank|division |boxer_id|name | r_old| r_new
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1|Cruiserweight | 659772|Oleksandr Usyk | 305.28| 431.57
2|Cruiserweight | 8657|Carlos De Leon | 409.75| 409.75
3|Cruiserweight | 5843|Anaclet Wamba | 395.34| 395.34
4|Cruiserweight | 20382|O'Neil Bell | 373.89| 373.89
5|Cruiserweight | 617|Nate Miller | 329.00| 329.00
6|Cruiserweight | 2109|Arthur Williams | 326.37| 326.37
7|Cruiserweight | 7121|Vassiliy Jirov | 305.31| 305.32
8|Cruiserweight | 623|Johnny Nelson | 297.18| 299.02
9|Cruiserweight | 36642|Steve Cunningham | 286.50| 286.50
10|Cruiserweight | 864|Ossie Ocasio | 280.74| 280.74
11|Cruiserweight | 2361|Jeff Lampkin | 261.52| 261.52
12|Cruiserweight | 51748|Danny Green | 256.97| 256.97
13|Cruiserweight | 17783|Jean Marc Mormeck | 240.69| 240.69
14|Cruiserweight | 514537|Mairis Briedis | 150.66| 233.62
15|Cruiserweight | 8267|Juan Carlos Gomez | 224.97| 224.97
16|Cruiserweight | 324252|Yoan Pablo Hernandez | 222.83| 222.84
17|Cruiserweight | 4378|Akim Tafer | 195.90| 195.90
18|Cruiserweight | 34020|Denis Lebedev | 192.68| 192.68
19|Cruiserweight | 38558|Grigory Drozd | 183.07| 183.07
20|Cruiserweight | 425328|Tony Bellew | 167.69| 181.98Martin I do not understand?computerrank wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 12:19Ratings r_old are the current ones.
We would get r_new, if we would award multiple wins per year.
Sorry, I do not understand your question.
Diliian is noted with 45.69 points before this bout. This is below the 3-star bout limit of 46 points. As a lot of past result are added and some corrected every day, it might have happened that his pre-bout has dropped some fraction of points.JxhDel. wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 11:16 http://boxrec.com/en/event/720264/2008109
Why does not this match have three stars like before? Dillian had 46 points (despite coming from two years off due to a ban and being unproven).
Ok, thanks for the info!computerrank wrote: ↑01 Dec 2018, 16:05Diliian is noted with 45.69 points before this bout. This is below the 3-star bout limit of 46 points. As a lot of past result are added and some corrected every day, it might have happened that his pre-bout has dropped some fraction of points.JxhDel. wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 11:16 http://boxrec.com/en/event/720264/2008109
Why does not this match have three stars like before? Dillian had 46 points (despite coming from two years off due to a ban and being unproven).
The boxer ratings and all pre-bout and after bout ratings are re-calculated from scratch every day, based on the latest records.
928 pointspugilisticspecialist wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 19:35 If Joshua KO'd Usyk in the first round on 2019-04-13, what would Joshua's rating score be afterwards?
240 pointspugilisticspecialist wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 06:36 If Whyte KO's Chisora in the first round, what will Whyte's rating score be afterwards?
Because... a draw brings the two fighters closer together? Not sure why that is such a heinous result?Gradenko wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 22:16 Why after Wilder vs Fury finish in a DRAW the rating of Wilder was significantly reduced and Fury's rating was significantly increased? This kind of rating would have been valid if Fury would win the fight and wilder lose but the fight was a DRAW. Does not seem right at all after a draw result one fighter to lose rating points big time & another to earn huge. Fair will be both to win a certain number of points , and both have their ratings increased because it's a draw with 2 winners, not a winner & a loser how ratings look now. This is a major flow!!!
Umm.. if Fury won, he'd be ranked ahead of Wilder.Gradenko wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:47 Yes! But still is a major flow how this draw is scored. If Fury would win and Wilder lose the rating would be the same like now . WHERE is the difference in fury win vs draw because i don't see it. This kind of scoring a draw are really stupid because is similar with a win for Fury and this is nor right at all. Correct would be both to earn some equal points because this is a DRAW , a fight with 2 winners.
Can you show the middleweight all time ranking like this?(old and new) Thanks.computerrank wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 19:38Here Cruiserweight All Time Ratings - current versionjamamb wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 22:08 thats a good point, although for cruiserweight specifically i think its not so relevant. usyk having beat another pair of 3s in the same year as beating the 2 is a huge deal imo for his atg standing at cruiser, where the division doesnt stretch back so much to days of huge activity and where many fighters dont really have loads of standout wins.
- r_old = ratings from 1850 to 2017 (all finished years)
- r_new = ratings including points for 2018 (not finished)
You can see Usyk is #1 already.
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rank|division |boxer_id|name | r_old| r_new ----|--------------------|--------|-----------------------------------|-------|------- 1|Cruiserweight | 659772|Oleksandr Usyk | 305.28| 431.57 2|Cruiserweight | 8657|Carlos De Leon | 409.75| 409.75 3|Cruiserweight | 5843|Anaclet Wamba | 395.34| 395.34 4|Cruiserweight | 20382|O'Neil Bell | 373.89| 373.89 5|Cruiserweight | 617|Nate Miller | 329.00| 329.00 6|Cruiserweight | 2109|Arthur Williams | 326.37| 326.37 7|Cruiserweight | 7121|Vassiliy Jirov | 305.31| 305.32 8|Cruiserweight | 623|Johnny Nelson | 297.18| 299.02 9|Cruiserweight | 36642|Steve Cunningham | 286.50| 286.50 10|Cruiserweight | 864|Ossie Ocasio | 280.74| 280.74 11|Cruiserweight | 2361|Jeff Lampkin | 261.52| 261.52 12|Cruiserweight | 51748|Danny Green | 256.97| 256.97 13|Cruiserweight | 17783|Jean Marc Mormeck | 240.69| 240.69 14|Cruiserweight | 514537|Mairis Briedis | 150.66| 233.62 15|Cruiserweight | 8267|Juan Carlos Gomez | 224.97| 224.97 16|Cruiserweight | 324252|Yoan Pablo Hernandez | 222.83| 222.84 17|Cruiserweight | 4378|Akim Tafer | 195.90| 195.90 18|Cruiserweight | 34020|Denis Lebedev | 192.68| 192.68 19|Cruiserweight | 38558|Grigory Drozd | 183.07| 183.07 20|Cruiserweight | 425328|Tony Bellew | 167.69| 181.98
r_old is including 2017magicrp wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 06:22Can you show the middleweight all time ranking like this?(old and new) Thanks.computerrank wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 19:38Here Cruiserweight All Time Ratings - current versionjamamb wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 22:08 thats a good point, although for cruiserweight specifically i think its not so relevant. usyk having beat another pair of 3s in the same year as beating the 2 is a huge deal imo for his atg standing at cruiser, where the division doesnt stretch back so much to days of huge activity and where many fighters dont really have loads of standout wins.
- r_old = ratings from 1850 to 2017 (all finished years)
- r_new = ratings including points for 2018 (not finished)
You can see Usyk is #1 already.
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rank|division |boxer_id|name | r_old| r_new ----|--------------------|--------|-----------------------------------|-------|------- 1|Cruiserweight | 659772|Oleksandr Usyk | 305.28| 431.57 2|Cruiserweight | 8657|Carlos De Leon | 409.75| 409.75
And I want to ask why Usyk's point is from 305.28 to 431.57. Thanks
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1 Middleweight 9625 Sugar Ray Robinson US 2498.74 2499.27
2 Middleweight 1414 Bernard Hopkins US 2173.46 2173.46
3 Middleweight 9036 Carlos Monzon AR 2047.58 2047.59
4 Middleweight 8684 Marvin Hagler US 1601.96 1601.96
5 Middleweight 9017 Emile Griffith VI 1417.23 1417.23
6 Middleweight 31487 Tommy Ryan US 1238.17 1238.17
7 Middleweight 9010 Dick Tiger NG 1173.76 1173.76
8 Middleweight 9035 Mickey Walker US 1097.86 1097.86
9 Middleweight 9707 Gene Fullmer US 1094.57 1094.57
10 Middleweight 1437 James Toney US 1004.79 1004.79
11 Middleweight 17887 Marcel Thil FR 932.05 932.05
12 Middleweight 462 Michael Nunn US 894.74 894.74
13 Middleweight 39949 Charles Kid McCoy US 876.00 876.00
14 Middleweight 11715 Hugo Kelly IT 856.83 856.83
15 Middleweight 53088 Jimmy Clabby US 764.02 764.12
16 Middleweight 10923 Joey Giardello US 741.29 741.29
17 Middleweight 348759 Saul Alvarez MX 741.01 924.34
18 Middleweight 14429 Sergio Martinez AR 715.18 715.18
19 Middleweight 8999 Nino Benvenuti IT 714.10 714.10
20 Middleweight 2046 Keith Holmes US 708.55 708.55
21 Middleweight 24927 Bobo Olson US 707.76 707.75
22 Middleweight 12376 Rodrigo Valdes CO 701.36 701.36
23 Middleweight 10808 Dan Creedon NZ 698.43 698.43
24 Middleweight 40483 George Green US 664.93 664.93
25 Middleweight 31056 Jermain Taylor US 664.24 664.24
26 Middleweight 447 Iran Barkley US 597.84 597.84
27 Middleweight 9028 Stanley Ketchel US 597.57 597.57
28 Middleweight 40065 Dave Smith AU 582.92 582.92
29 Middleweight 31252 Felix Sturm DE 569.37 569.37
30 Middleweight 17630 Len Harvey UK 563.93 563.93
31 Middleweight 11267 Mike Gibbons US 542.38 542.38
32 Middleweight 10913 Charles Humez FR 522.72 522.72
33 Middleweight 10525 Fred Apostoli US 520.11 520.11
34 Middleweight 11274 Jeff Smith US 506.64 506.55
35 Middleweight 9030 Jake LaMotta US 503.24 503.23
36 Middleweight 11285 Frank Klaus US 481.77 481.78
37 Middleweight 11295 Leo Houck US 471.96 471.96
38 Middleweight 11264 Bob Moha US 468.08 468.08
39 Middleweight 11714 Billy Papke US 466.47 466.42
40 Middleweight 1012 Sumbu Kalambay IT 464.81 464.81
41 Middleweight 9601 Ceferino Garcia PH 463.13 463.13
42 Middleweight 28407 Gustav Scholz DE 440.71 440.71
43 Middleweight 11396 Joey Archer US 421.26 421.27
44 Middleweight 9968 Holman Williams US 418.99 418.99
45 Middleweight 15844 Kelly Pavlik US 418.72 418.72
46 Middleweight 356831 Gennady Golovkin KZ 417.48 573.03
47 Middleweight 4995 William Joppy US 411.07 411.07
48 Middleweight 13106 Randolph Turpin UK 409.04 409.04
49 Middleweight 10517 Vince Dundee US 404.78 404.79
50 Middleweight 11330 Bryan Downey US 398.08 398.08
Now the rating point changed. Can you show the middleweight all time ranking like this again? Thanks.computerrank wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 09:10r_old is including 2017magicrp wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 06:22Can you show the middleweight all time ranking like this?(old and new) Thanks.computerrank wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 19:38
Here Cruiserweight All Time Ratings - current version
- r_old = ratings from 1850 to 2017 (all finished years)
- r_new = ratings including points for 2018 (not finished)
You can see Usyk is #1 already.
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rank|division |boxer_id|name | r_old| r_new ----|--------------------|--------|-----------------------------------|-------|------- 1|Cruiserweight | 659772|Oleksandr Usyk | 305.28| 431.57 2|Cruiserweight | 8657|Carlos De Leon | 409.75| 409.75
And I want to ask why Usyk's point is from 305.28 to 431.57. Thanks
r_new is including 2018 (will be shown next year ...)
Here the top 50 at Middleweight - Alvarez and Golovkin got a lot of points in 2018 ...
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1 Middleweight 9625 Sugar Ray Robinson US 2498.74 2499.27 2 Middleweight 1414 Bernard Hopkins US 2173.46 2173.46 3 Middleweight 9036 Carlos Monzon AR 2047.58 2047.59 4 Middleweight 8684 Marvin Hagler US 1601.96 1601.96 5 Middleweight 9017 Emile Griffith VI 1417.23 1417.23 6 Middleweight 31487 Tommy Ryan US 1238.17 1238.17 7 Middleweight 9010 Dick Tiger NG 1173.76 1173.76 8 Middleweight 9035 Mickey Walker US 1097.86 1097.86 9 Middleweight 9707 Gene Fullmer US 1094.57 1094.57 10 Middleweight 1437 James Toney US 1004.79 1004.79 11 Middleweight 17887 Marcel Thil FR 932.05 932.05 12 Middleweight 462 Michael Nunn US 894.74 894.74 13 Middleweight 39949 Charles Kid McCoy US 876.00 876.00 14 Middleweight 11715 Hugo Kelly IT 856.83 856.83 15 Middleweight 53088 Jimmy Clabby US 764.02 764.12 16 Middleweight 10923 Joey Giardello US 741.29 741.29 17 Middleweight 348759 Saul Alvarez MX 741.01 924.34 18 Middleweight 14429 Sergio Martinez AR 715.18 715.18 19 Middleweight 8999 Nino Benvenuti IT 714.10 714.10 20 Middleweight 2046 Keith Holmes US 708.55 708.55 21 Middleweight 24927 Bobo Olson US 707.76 707.75 22 Middleweight 12376 Rodrigo Valdes CO 701.36 701.36 23 Middleweight 10808 Dan Creedon NZ 698.43 698.43 24 Middleweight 40483 George Green US 664.93 664.93 25 Middleweight 31056 Jermain Taylor US 664.24 664.24 26 Middleweight 447 Iran Barkley US 597.84 597.84 27 Middleweight 9028 Stanley Ketchel US 597.57 597.57 28 Middleweight 40065 Dave Smith AU 582.92 582.92 29 Middleweight 31252 Felix Sturm DE 569.37 569.37 30 Middleweight 17630 Len Harvey UK 563.93 563.93 31 Middleweight 11267 Mike Gibbons US 542.38 542.38 32 Middleweight 10913 Charles Humez FR 522.72 522.72 33 Middleweight 10525 Fred Apostoli US 520.11 520.11 34 Middleweight 11274 Jeff Smith US 506.64 506.55 35 Middleweight 9030 Jake LaMotta US 503.24 503.23 36 Middleweight 11285 Frank Klaus US 481.77 481.78 37 Middleweight 11295 Leo Houck US 471.96 471.96 38 Middleweight 11264 Bob Moha US 468.08 468.08 39 Middleweight 11714 Billy Papke US 466.47 466.42 40 Middleweight 1012 Sumbu Kalambay IT 464.81 464.81 41 Middleweight 9601 Ceferino Garcia PH 463.13 463.13 42 Middleweight 28407 Gustav Scholz DE 440.71 440.71 43 Middleweight 11396 Joey Archer US 421.26 421.27 44 Middleweight 9968 Holman Williams US 418.99 418.99 45 Middleweight 15844 Kelly Pavlik US 418.72 418.72 46 Middleweight 356831 Gennady Golovkin KZ 417.48 573.03 47 Middleweight 4995 William Joppy US 411.07 411.07 48 Middleweight 13106 Randolph Turpin UK 409.04 409.04 49 Middleweight 10517 Vince Dundee US 404.78 404.79 50 Middleweight 11330 Bryan Downey US 398.08 398.08
