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kikibalt wrote:While at Bobby's visiting Tony I found the book, 'To Kill A Mockingbird' by Harper Lee, and damn, I can't put it down, seen the movie more then once, its a classic, but it don't compare to the book. It won a Pulitzer Prize in 1961....

Frank,
To Kill a Mockingbird is one of my favorite movies too. There are a lot of interesting things surrounding the book and the movie, for instance Harper Lee was childhood friends with Truman Capote and modeled the character Dill after Capote as a young boy. Lee was working as Capote’s assistant for his book “In Cold Blood” (another good one) when her book was published and Capote was quite upset over her success. If you haven’t seen the movie "Capote" staring Philip Seymore Hoffman as Capote, do; this is depicted in the movie, also read in "Cold Blood" and then see that movie if you haven’t… good stuff. If you rent the DVD of To Kill a Mockingbird the special features part tells all about these things plus some good interviews with the writer and the actors. To do it in order, after you finish reading "To Kill", see the movie again, then read "In Cold Blood" then see that movie and then see the movie Capote...after all you're a "kept man and have the time". D
Bruce

Dill: Looka yonder!
To Kill A Mockingbird
Harper Lee

Bobbin & Weavin wrote:

kikibalt wrote:While at Bobby's visiting Tony I found the book, 'To Kill A Mockingbird' by Harper Lee, and damn, I can't put it down, seen the movie more then once, its a classic, but it don't compare to the book. It won a Pulitzer Prize in 1961....

Frank,
To Kill a Mockingbird is one of my favorite movies too. There are a lot of interesting things surrounding the book and the movie, for instance Harper Lee was childhood friends with Truman Capote and modeled the character Dill after Capote as a young boy. Lee was working as Capote’s assistant for his book “In Cold Blood” (another good one) when her book was published and Capote was quite upset over her success. If you haven’t seen the movie "Capote" staring Philip Seymore Hoffman as Capote, do; this is depicted in the movie, also read in "Cold Blood" and then see that movie if you haven’t… good stuff. If you rent the DVD of To Kill a Mockingbird the special features part tells all about these things plus some good interviews with the writer and the actors. To do it in order, after you finish reading "To Kill", see the movie again, then read "In Cold Blood" then see that movie and then see the movie Capote...after all you're a "kept man and have the time". D
Bruce

Bruce, thanks for all he info on Lee and Capote, stuff that I didn't know. "In cold Blood", the movie I seen a number of times, have never read the book, I'll look for it. "Capote" I seen the movie, but to be honest; I don't remember much about it. I have a hard time watching any movie on TV, get bored easy, but give me a book, and if its good I have a hard time putting it down. I order "To Kill A Mockingbird" from Oldies.com yesterday, now that I read the book I think I'll be able to pay close attention to the movie, more so then before.

"Looka Yonder!"

kikibalt wrote:

Bobbin & Weavin wrote:

kikibalt wrote:While at Bobby's visiting Tony I found the book, 'To Kill A Mockingbird' by Harper Lee, and damn, I can't put it down, seen the movie more then once, its a classic, but it don't compare to the book. It won a Pulitzer Prize in 1961....

Frank,
To Kill a Mockingbird is one of my favorite movies too. There are a lot of interesting things surrounding the book and the movie, for instance Harper Lee was childhood friends with Truman Capote and modeled the character Dill after Capote as a young boy. Lee was working as Capote’s assistant for his book “In Cold Blood” (another good one) when her book was published and Capote was quite upset over her success. If you haven’t seen the movie "Capote" staring Philip Seymore Hoffman as Capote, do; this is depicted in the movie, also read in "Cold Blood" and then see that movie if you haven’t… good stuff. If you rent the DVD of To Kill a Mockingbird the special features part tells all about these things plus some good interviews with the writer and the actors. To do it in order, after you finish reading "To Kill", see the movie again, then read "In Cold Blood" then see that movie and then see the movie Capote...after all you're a "kept man and have the time". D
Bruce

Bruce, thanks for all he info on Lee and Capote, stuff that I didn't know. In "cold Blood", the movie I seen a number of times, have never read the book, I'll look for it. "Capote" I seen the movie, but to be honest; I don't remember much about it. I have a hard time watching any movie on TV, get bored easy, but give me a book, and if its good I have a hard time putting it down. I order "To Kill A Mockingbird" from Oldies.com yesterday, now that I read the book I think I'll be able to pay close attention to the move, more so then before.

"Looka Yonder!"

Every lawyer secretly (and in my case, not so secretly) yearns to be like Atticus Finch. I was at a bar conference the morning after Gregory Peck died and there was a moment of silence for him . . . and all he did was play Atticus Finch in the movie.

"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It's when you know you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what. You rarely win, but sometimes you do. Mrs Dubose won, all ninety-eight pounds of her. According to her views, she died beholden to nothing and nobody. She was the bravest person I ever knew."
- spoken by Atticus Finch, by Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

"Jean Louise, stand up. Your father's passing."
- Rev. Sykes to Scout in the movie, To Kill a Mockingbird.

raylawpc wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Bobbin & Weavin wrote: Frank,
To Kill a Mockingbird is one of my favorite movies too. There are a lot of interesting things surrounding the book and the movie, for instance Harper Lee was childhood friends with Truman Capote and modeled the character Dill after Capote as a young boy. Lee was working as Capote’s assistant for his book “In Cold Blood” (another good one) when her book was published and Capote was quite upset over her success. If you haven’t seen the movie "Capote" staring Philip Seymore Hoffman as Capote, do; this is depicted in the movie, also read in "Cold Blood" and then see that movie if you haven’t… good stuff. If you rent the DVD of To Kill a Mockingbird the special features part tells all about these things plus some good interviews with the writer and the actors. To do it in order, after you finish reading "To Kill", see the movie again, then read "In Cold Blood" then see that movie and then see the movie Capote...after all you're a "kept man and have the time". D
Bruce

Bruce, thanks for all he info on Lee and Capote, stuff that I didn't know. In "cold Blood", the movie I seen a number of times, have never read the book, I'll look for it. "Capote" I seen the movie, but to be honest; I don't remember much about it. I have a hard time watching any movie on TV, get bored easy, but give me a book, and if its good I have a hard time putting it down. I order "To Kill A Mockingbird" from Oldies.com yesterday, now that I read the book I think I'll be able to pay close attention to the move, more so then before.

"Looka Yonder!"

Every lawyer secretly (and in my case, not so secretly) yearns to be like Atticus Finch. I was at a bar conference the morning after Gregory Peck died and there was a moment of silence for him . . . and all he did was play Atticus Finch in the movie.

"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It's when you know you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what. You rarely win, but sometimes you do. Mrs Dubose won, all ninety-eight pounds of her. According to her views, she died beholden to nothing and nobody. She was the bravest person I ever knew."
- spoken by Atticus Finch, by Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

"Jean Louise, stand up. Your father's passing."
- Rev. Sykes to Scout in the movie, To Kill a Mockingbird.

So many great passages in that book, Tom. I have to say that its one of the best novel I have read and I have read many of them.

Btw, I thought you wanted to be like Clarence Darrow....

kikibalt wrote:

Frankie Baltazar
Chiriaco Summit, CA.
On our way home from AZ.

Frank, where is Chiriaco Summit located,and is it a church there.

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

kikibalt wrote: Bruce, thanks for all he info on Lee and Capote, stuff that I didn't know. In "cold Blood", the movie I seen a number of times, have never read the book, I'll look for it. "Capote" I seen the movie, but to be honest; I don't remember much about it. I have a hard time watching any movie on TV, get bored easy, but give me a book, and if its good I have a hard time putting it down. I order "To Kill A Mockingbird" from Oldies.com yesterday, now that I read the book I think I'll be able to pay close attention to the move, more so then before.

"Looka Yonder!"

Every lawyer secretly (and in my case, not so secretly) yearns to be like Atticus Finch. I was at a bar conference the morning after Gregory Peck died and there was a moment of silence for him . . . and all he did was play Atticus Finch in the movie.

"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It's when you know you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what. You rarely win, but sometimes you do. Mrs Dubose won, all ninety-eight pounds of her. According to her views, she died beholden to nothing and nobody. She was the bravest person I ever knew."
- spoken by Atticus Finch, by Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

"Jean Louise, stand up. Your father's passing."
- Rev. Sykes to Scout in the movie, To Kill a Mockingbird.

So many great passages in that book, Tom. I have to say that its one of the best novel I have read and I have read many of them.

Btw, I thought you wanted to be like Clarence Darrow....

Oh nooo . . . He had great courtroom skills for his day, but he was a miserable excuse for a human being. Every lawyer I know wants to be Atticus Finch when he grows up!

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Frankie Baltazar
Chiriaco Summit, CA.
On our way home from AZ.

Frank, where is Chiriaco Summit located,and is it a church there.

The Summit is east of Indio, ca. on the I-10. I didn't see a church there, just the shrine next to the Post Office....

raylawpc wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote: Every lawyer secretly (and in my case, not so secretly) yearns to be like Atticus Finch. I was at a bar conference the morning after Gregory Peck died and there was a moment of silence for him . . . and all he did was play Atticus Finch in the movie.

"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It's when you know you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what. You rarely win, but sometimes you do. Mrs Dubose won, all ninety-eight pounds of her. According to her views, she died beholden to nothing and nobody. She was the bravest person I ever knew."
- spoken by Atticus Finch, by Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

"Jean Louise, stand up. Your father's passing."
- Rev. Sykes to Scout in the movie, To Kill a Mockingbird.

So many great passages in that book, Tom. I have to say that its one of the best novel I have read and I have read many of them.

Btw, I thought you wanted to be like Clarence Darrow....

Oh nooo . . . He had great courtroom skills for his day, but he was a miserable excuse for a human being. Every lawyer I know wants to be Atticus Finch when he grows up!

I didn't know Clarence Darrow was a bad dude.....

Well, he was an atheist - which of course is a personal choice and not necessarily "bad." But he was charged with attempting to bribe a jury and very nearly convicted, and most historians believe he did it. Because of that bad behavior, he was disbarred in California. The two worst things most despicable things that a lawyer can do are lie to a judge and bribe a judge or jury. So to that extent, his behavior was pretty reprehensible.

raylawpc wrote:Well, he was an atheist - which of course is a personal choice and not necessarily "bad." But he was charged with attempting to bribe a jury and very nearly convicted, and most historians believe he did it. Because of that bad behavior, he was disbarred in California. The two worst things most despicable things that a lawyer can do are lie to a judge and bribe a judge or jury. So to that extent, his behavior was pretty reprehensible.

Thanks Tom. for that info, I of course know nothing of Darrow, I have heard of him and know that he was a lawyer, but that's all I know.....

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote:Well, he was an atheist - which of course is a personal choice and not necessarily "bad." But he was charged with attempting to bribe a jury and very nearly convicted, and most historians believe he did it. Because of that bad behavior, he was disbarred in California. The two worst things most despicable things that a lawyer can do are lie to a judge and bribe a judge or jury. So to that extent, his behavior was pretty reprehensible.

Thanks Tom. for that info, I of course know nothing of Darrow, I have heard of him and know that he was a lawyer, but that's all I know.....

Tom,
Not just lawyers want to be like Atticus Finch...
Bruce

Bobbin & Weavin wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote:Well, he was an atheist - which of course is a personal choice and not necessarily "bad." But he was charged with attempting to bribe a jury and very nearly convicted, and most historians believe he did it. Because of that bad behavior, he was disbarred in California. The two worst things most despicable things that a lawyer can do are lie to a judge and bribe a judge or jury. So to that extent, his behavior was pretty reprehensible.

Thanks Tom. for that info, I of course know nothing of Darrow, I have heard of him and know that he was a lawyer, but that's all I know.....

Tom,
Not just lawyers want to be like Atticus Finch...
Bruce

I want to be like Dill...Looka yonder!....

Bobbin & Weavin wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote:Well, he was an atheist - which of course is a personal choice and not necessarily "bad." But he was charged with attempting to bribe a jury and very nearly convicted, and most historians believe he did it. Because of that bad behavior, he was disbarred in California. The two worst things most despicable things that a lawyer can do are lie to a judge and bribe a judge or jury. So to that extent, his behavior was pretty reprehensible.

Thanks Tom. for that info, I of course know nothing of Darrow, I have heard of him and know that he was a lawyer, but that's all I know.....

Tom,
Not just lawyers want to be like Atticus Finch...
Bruce

In 2003, Atticus Finch was voted by the American Film Institute to be the greatest hero in American film, beating out such famous film heroes as Indiana Jones, Rocky Balboa, Superman, Mohandas K. Gandhi, Tarzan, James Bond and Robin Hood. Its easy to see why: He transforms quiet decency, legal acumen, and great parenting into the most heroic qualities a man can have. How can any real man NOT want to be like Atticus Finch?

kikibalt wrote:

Bobbin & Weavin wrote:

kikibalt wrote: Thanks Tom. for that info, I of course know nothing of Darrow, I have heard of him and know that he was a lawyer, but that's all I know.....

Tom,
Not just lawyers want to be like Atticus Finch...
Bruce

I want to be like Dill...Looka yonder!....

You should have grown up in Oklahoma. You woulda heard a lot of Okies say, "Looka yonder. . ." "Over yonder" is popular too. "Where do you live?" "Over yonder next to the school house on 5th street."

raylawpc wrote:

Bobbin & Weavin wrote:

kikibalt wrote: Thanks Tom. for that info, I of course know nothing of Darrow, I have heard of him and know that he was a lawyer, but that's all I know.....

Tom,
Not just lawyers want to be like Atticus Finch...
Bruce

In 2003, Atticus Finch was voted by the American Film Institute to be the greatest hero in American film, beating out such famous film heroes as Indiana Jones, Rocky Balboa, Superman, Mohandas K. Gandhi, Tarzan, James Bond and Robin Hood. Its easy to see why: He transforms quiet decency, legal acumen, and great parenting into the most heroic qualities a man can have. How can any real man NOT want to be like Atticus Finch?

Atticus Finch was the Sugar Ray Robinson of the courtroom!
Bruce

raylawpc wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Bobbin & Weavin wrote: Tom,
Not just lawyers want to be like Atticus Finch...
Bruce

I want to be like Dill...Looka yonder!....

You should have grown up in Oklahoma. You woulda heard a lot of Okies say, "Looka yonder. . ." "Over yonder" is popular too. "Where do you live?" "Over yonder next to the school house on 5th street."

As a kid I used to hear the word, is it a word?, "yonder" a lot in the B-Western movie....

It's a word in Oklahoma. Everybody says it.

The outhouse over yonder.....

raylawpc wrote:It's a word in Oklahoma. Everybody says it.

I found it in Merriam-Webster, its a word alright....

I'm probably going to catch some flak from some of my pals here but here goes....

.......Manny Pacquiao vs Antonio Margarito


I have to be honest, I have never been a true believer in Manny Pacquiao, I have never been 100% sold on the idea that he is one of the greatest, all time fighters to ever step into the ring. He’s a damned good fighter and exciting, I’ll give him that and he’s certainly beaten some great fighters . The problem is that he’s beaten them when they were either past their primes, i.e, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, or already beaten by his “Pound for Pound” rival Floyd Mayweather Jr., i.e., Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya. In Oscar’s case he was not only past his prime and already beaten by Mayweather (Oscar lost a split decision to Floyd on May 5, 2007) but he suffered from severe weight loss in preparing for the fight after giving in to Pacquiao‘s incessant demands for a catch weight.

Couple that with Manny’s two highly controversial fights with Juan Manuel Marquez; the first, a draw in May of 2004 and a split decision win in 2008 that should have gone to Marquez, in the view of many boxing fans, including myself, and sportswriters. I’m not trying to re-win those fights for Marquez either, it is what it is, but I am trying to give some perspective on Pacquiao. His fight with Joshua Clottey exposed some chinks in Pacquiao’s armor. Clottey, who rarely threw a punch during his fight with Pacquiao, never really put forth the effort to win that fight but on the rare occasion when he actually decided to fight and throw a punch he had some success, he just never followed through.

In many ways, I liken Manny Pacquiao’s career to Mike Tyson‘s. Tyson was a juggernaut that steamrolled over almost all of his opposition but if you look back at his career you’ll see that he didn’t fight the best of his day. Both Manny’s and Mike Tyson’s career record will back up everything I say. Look for yourself if you don’t believe me. When Tyson faced Evander Holyfield, a fighter almost everyone believed was washed up at the time and on the verge of being dangerously beaten by Tyson, he faced a fighter that win, lose or draw, had indeed fought the best. I don’t have to tell you how that fight ended. Holyfield to some degree was fighting for redemption. Considered, old and over the hill with medical problems, and small for a heavyweight, Holyfield was fighting for his worth as a fighter. He was trying to prove something .

I know a couple of guys that have served time in prison. They made a mistake and paid for their crimes. They were caught red handed, arrested, put on trial, found guilty and they served their time. They paid for their crimes and moved on. Antonio Margarito never really had his day in court but was convicted none the less. He served his time, so to speak, that was meted out to him. I’m not defending his actions either, what I am saying is this, Margarito did his time and like it or not, every man deserves a second chance. Even O.J. Simpson didn’t catch this much flak. Okay, maybe O.J. did but you get my point.

The argument has always been, Margarito could have killed Sugar Shane Mosley if he had fought with, what is called “ trace elements of plaster of Paris”. I won’t argue in defense of that, but consider this, Shane Mosley was found to have had performance enhancing drugs in his system during his second fight with Oscar De La Hoya ( a fight I thought Oscar won). Now I have nothing but love for Sugar Shane, he is without a doubt one of my favorite fighters and is a shoo in for the Hall of Fame when his career is over, but why is he being given a pass?

Fighters have been dieing in the ring since the sport began, with out any drugs involved, that being the case, a fighter using steroids or any other drug, could conceivably kill a fighter in the ring. So why the pass? At the very least, Margarito has paid for his crime with his year suspension from boxing and a giant loss of respect and credibility, and that’s on him.

Was Margarito using loaded handwraps when he fought Miguel Cotto? I don’t know. I know it serves Cotto’s camp and fans to believe so. The brutality of the beating by Margarito and Cotto’s battered face are given as proof but the ever valiant Cotto suffered a similar beating by Pacquiao and his face was equally battered, and no trace of plaster of Paris was found in Pacquiao’s handwrap, so I fail to see the significance of that statement. None of Margarito’s other opponents were ever battered into submission either.

Margarito has never been one of my favorite fighters, though I never disliked him either and I’m not particularly fond of cheaters but I do believe in second chances. That’s the very essence of America. This country was founded by men and women seeking second chances. Margarito deserves no less.

All that being said, I really believe that Pacquiao is one of the greatest of his era and the more skilled fighter of the two and that he has all the momentum going into this fight but I also believe he and Freddie Roach are taking the fight and a victory for granted. I can’t tell if all the talk by Roach about Manny being distracted and not putting forth the effort in camp is just a ploy or if it’s real.

Margarito for his part is taking nothing for granted and seems to be in the best mental and physical shape of his life. Regardless of what the rest of us may think, Antonio Margarito has turned this into a battle of redemption. Whether he will be redeemed or not after this fight is anyone’s guess but he believes it. It’s his cause and a man with a cause is hard to beat and that’s where he will be drawing his strength from.

To my way of thinking, Margarito’s only chance of winning is by knockout and I believe that will be his battle plan. He has to know he is not going to outbox Pacquiao nor will he out speed him and he certainly will not out number him when it comes to throwing punches. No, his only chance will be to absorb everything Pacquiao throws at him and then get his own punches in. Of the two, he is the bigger and stronger fighter. He will use that to his advantage.

Despite the cheating scandal and loss to Mosley, Margarito has always had a stout heart and chin and I believe that he is coming to win. Can his quest for redemption and respect overcome the will, determination and speed of Manny Pacquiao? We’ll see! As always, may the best man win.

Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito will be duking it out this Saturday, November 13, at the Cowboy Stadium in Arlington, Texas for the vacant WBC Junior Middleweight title. It will be broadcast on HBO/PPV.

kikibalt wrote:

Frankie Baltazar
Chiriaco Summit, CA.
On our way home from AZ.

Frankie looks great Frank. How's Tony doing?

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

kikibalt wrote: I want to be like Dill...Looka yonder!....

You should have grown up in Oklahoma. You woulda heard a lot of Okies say, "Looka yonder. . ." "Over yonder" is popular too. "Where do you live?" "Over yonder next to the school house on 5th street."

As a kid I used to hear the word, is it a word?, "yonder" a lot in the B-Western movie....

I can't hear he word "yonder" without thinking of my father, he picked up that word somewhere in the past and made it part of his lingo. He never said "over there" it was always "over yonder". It's an apt word.

Randyman wrote: Frankie looks great Frank. How's Tony doing?

Tony is doing okay, he is just having a hard time getting around and that is pissing him off, not use to sitting down in one place for long.....

Back in the in mid-'40's playing cowboys with my buddys in Simons we used "yonder" a lot, we were not Okies but we used the word....