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On Tommy Jackson- Tommy "Hurricane" Jackson was a formidable oponent in 1954. Highly ranked at the time, my father, and Ghee Leico with the IBC saw my fathers star rising.
Coming off his two victories over Danny Nardico, news on Jacobs Beach was that Norkus was becoming a matinee idol. The various newspapers were covering stories about his KO power but also his good looks, and the female attraction that made him TV fodder.
My father was scheduled to get married to my mom 2 weeks into June. That was in concrete.
The IBC wanted another quick turnaround fight as $$$$ were more important. My father explained to Marge (my mother) that they could use the money to help with marriage & house costs. She gave little arguement there but she also needed him to help make the Wedding arrangememnts on Long Island. 300+ guests on the slate.
This cut into training time with his workouts for Jackson. My father was already fit, but he needed to work on Jackson's well known roundhouses and cutting punches style.
Hence Jackson's knickname Hurricane.
Either way, my father was cut early in the Jackson fight and it was stopped after 5 rounds.
My father wanted a rematch for August- but they already got a call from Suey Welch saying Norkus was wanted on the West Coast for undefeated Charlie Powell. Norkus & Leico thought that was the better stepping stone for Marciano.
In my dads scrapbooks here, I have several articles in which they carried a post script to the Jackson fight. My mother stepped right up and stated that the jackson defeat was all her fault for taking Charley away to help make the Wedding arrangements scheduled 2 weeks later.That was cause for not proper training for fight.
My father simply stated that was not the case, that Jackson cut him early for the stoppage and Jackson was as tough opponent he ever faced.
I dont remeber the exact year, but when Jackson was found dead in Far Rockaway, my father expressed remorse for his passing and that he wished that Tommy never got involved with drugs, which was apparently a great part of his life.
Throughout his life, my father would hear of various boxers plights with drugs and booze. Many of which would lose their life to these vices directly or indirectly. He was always sorrowful to hear of such things. He didnt expound on such as much.

Floyd Patterson . . .

Although once the youngest Heavyweight champ, and the first to ever re-win the title after losing it, Patterson gets very little respect among boxing fans and historians. Always an issue is Floyd's "glass chin". If Patterson had a questionable chin, there is no questioninghis heart. When Floyd went down, he GOT UP. Only the murderous punching Sonny Liston kept Floyd on the deck. How many others of the era were able to climb off the deck against Liston?

In Patterson I don't see a Dempsey, Louis, Marciano or Ali. However, how many others were greater than Floyd, or accomplished as much? Not many. Patterson was fast, hit hard and most important, he would rise after a knock down.
He was small by heavyweight standard with regard to height & weight. But he had a huge heart. Rest his soul!

CNorkusJr wrote:On Tommy Jackson- Tommy "Hurricane" Jackson was a formidable oponent in 1954. Highly ranked at the time, my father, and Ghee Leico with the IBC saw my fathers star rising.
Coming off his two victories over Danny Nardico, news on Jacobs Beach was that Norkus was becoming a matinee idol. The various newspapers were covering stories about his KO power but also his good looks, and the female attraction that made him TV fodder.
My father was scheduled to get married to my mom 2 weeks into June. That was in concrete.
The IBC wanted another quick turnaround fight as $$$$ were more important. My father explained to Marge (my mother) that they could use the money to help with marriage & house costs. She gave little arguement there but she also needed him to help make the Wedding arrangememnts on Long Island. 300+ guests on the slate.
This cut into training time with his workouts for Jackson. My father was already fit, but he needed to work on Jackson's well known roundhouses and cutting punches style.
Hence Jackson's knickname Hurricane.
Either way, my father was cut early in the Jackson fight and it was stopped after 5 rounds.
My father wanted a rematch for August- but they already got a call from Suey Welch saying Norkus was wanted on the West Coast for undefeated Charlie Powell. Norkus & Leico thought that was the better stepping stone for Marciano.
In my dads scrapbooks here, I have several articles in which they carried a post script to the Jackson fight. My mother stepped right up and stated that the jackson defeat was all her fault for taking Charley away to help make the Wedding arrangements scheduled 2 weeks later.That was cause for not proper training for fight.
My father simply stated that was not the case, that Jackson cut him early for the stoppage and Jackson was as tough opponent he ever faced.
I dont remeber the exact year, but when Jackson was found dead in Far Rockaway, my father expressed remorse for his passing and that he wished that Tommy never got involved with drugs, which was apparently a great part of his life.
Throughout his life, my father would hear of various boxers plights with drugs and booze. Many of which would lose their life to these vices directly or indirectly. He was always sorrowful to hear of such things. He didnt expound on such as much.

Thanks again, Charlie. Your dad was a great man. These posts really expand my understanding of the boxers who were a part of the era.

Just got back about 40 minutes ago from UNLV, when I got there I went to the library and asked the person at the front about looking up archived newspapers, he told me I would have to sign up for an account, he then asked me for a photo I.D and credit card, I told him I already have a library card for clark county,he then told me that they were not affiliated with the clark county library, so in a couple of days I will go to the clark county library to see if they have the archived newspapers on microfilm, be patient Randy I will not give up.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Just got back about 40 minutes ago from UNLV, when I got there I went to the library and asked the person at the front about looking up archived newspapers, he told me I would have to sign up for an account, he then asked me for a photo I.D and credit card, I told him I already have a library card for clark county,he then told me that they were not affiliated with the clark county library, so in a couple of days I will go to the clark county library to see if they have the archived newspapers on microfilm, be patient Randy I will not give up.

Paul . . . You're a good friend .

Rick Farris wrote:Floyd Patterson . . .

Although once the youngest Heavyweight champ, and the first to ever re-win the title after losing it, Patterson gets very little respect among boxing fans and historians. Always an issue is Floyd's "glass chin". If Patterson had a questionable chin, there is no questioninghis heart. When Floyd went down, he GOT UP. Only the murderous punching Sonny Liston kept Floyd on the deck. How many others of the era were able to climb off the deck against Liston?

In Patterson I don't see a Dempsey, Louis, Marciano or Ali. However, how many others were greater than Floyd, or accomplished as much? Not many. Patterson was fast, hit hard and most important, he would rise after a knock down.
He was small by heavyweight standard with regard to height & weight. But he had a huge heart. Rest his soul!

I think your assessment of Floyd patterson is right on Rick.
My father never mentioned to me about Floyd's "chin" but proof is in the tapes. He does keep rising after getting knocked down.
Also he was one of the last of "the smaller Heavy champs of the time". I met Floyd several times with my dad. If there is any regret that I have is to be able to replay the ability to greet these men again today. You see, for most of the times I met these greats from years past, the conversation would not take on a "question & answer" session about their careers. When I was with my dad, usually the first 10 minutes were my introduction and what "I" was doing in my life asked by all these champs and fighters. My father would then say "This is so and so and he was the heavy,ligtwt,middlewt, champ (whatever applied) and this was followed up by the champ saying, your father was one of the best heavyweights ever and we been friends along time.
I then moved aside and listened to them talk about where so and so is or who are you working with; between the two. Very informal.
Any questions I might have were thought about later, and I asked about the guys at home-where my father would fill me in best he could.
The only time I asked any boxing questions at length (15 mins) was with Jersey Joe Walcott at our home and with Joe Frazier (10 mins) at a NYC dinner at Downtown AC. I will be seeing Joe again on the 19th with his son Marvis at Ring 8 luncheon. Walcott, I discussed what it was like to hold the title and how he was treated by people. Frazier I discussed his starting out up in Harlem NY and training in Stillmans gym after moving up here from South Carolina. The rest were introductions to all the greats, Conn,LaMotta,Gavilan,Larkin,Saddler, Pep etc etc. I consider myself very fortunate to whom I am and the life I have. I do realize persons like yourself like to hear about my experiences, as I like to hear about all of yours, and the swapping of stories is one of the great pleasures I have today.
I can also tell you that I have learned a tremendous amount of my dads boxing life AFTER he passed on by meeting many of his friends from the past today. Ring 8 is prime example of that. NJ Boxing HOF is another.
My dad was not overly forthcoming about his career to me. He told me things if I asked certainly, but I had to ask. I really think he considered his life a " matter of fact I was a fighter ,kind of life,thing". He really didnt go out to promote himself in anyway after that era, but was content to provide for us in a middle-class type lifestyle (He was a liquor salesman to Bars & Restaurants and went to Marine Corps Assn and Amer. Legion Posts meetings) regularly.He was a union worker(salesman) He supplemented his income as the regular Mon nite bartender(union bartender) in Port Washington,NY for 25 years in a upscale Steak Rest.(The Clubhouse Rest.owned by Larry Rabago, a close friend and longtime fan) frequented by sports stars(Mets,Jets & Islanders) and local persons. His name would show up in the paper every now and then and I think he got a kick out it more that I. But he was my father and he was just happy that I stayed in school and became a firefighter. He was proud of that. He accepted honors graciously but never seeked out such.
He provided personalized autographs, anytime asked and never asked for a dime. When the memorabilia-nostalgia trend kicked in-he signed autographs for free at card shows, the only provision was that the card promoter had to buy 100 8x10 photos of my dad prior, and my father kept whatever 8x10's left after the show as payment (He used these to send out at no charge any requests he got in mail by fans). The promoter was allowed to sell the photos for $5.00 if he wished, and autograph was free.
My father did not do mass signings of anything for dealers (mail or otherwise). My father donated autographed material to various organizations that benefitted sick or orphaned children for an auction to help that org. out.
I see an autograph of his on ebay is going for $75.00. It is real, It was signed during the 50's or 60's.I do not know who the seller is nor how he obtained it. My dads signature over the past changed a little, but I can tell if its real.
Heres a shot I took back in the 70's of two friends.

Sylvester Stallone's being elected to the International Boxing Hall of Fame would be like Gary Cooper's being enshrined at Cooperstown.…

"Rocky" wasn't a documentary.…
Jerry Crowe
latimes.com

kikibalt wrote:Sylvester Stallone's being elected to the International Boxing Hall of Fame would be like Gary Cooper's being enshrined at Cooperstown.…

"Rocky" wasn't a documentary.…
Jerry Crowe
latimes.com

He can't even act, let alone fight.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Sylvester Stallone's being elected to the International Boxing Hall of Fame would be like Gary Cooper's being enshrined at Cooperstown.…

"Rocky" wasn't a documentary.…
Jerry Crowe
latimes.com

He can't even act, let alone fight.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Just got back about 40 minutes ago from UNLV, when I got there I went to the library and asked the person at the front about looking up archived newspapers, he told me I would have to sign up for an account, he then asked me for a photo I.D and credit card, I told him I already have a library card for clark county,he then told me that they were not affiliated with the clark county library, so in a couple of days I will go to the clark county library to see if they have the archived newspapers on microfilm, be patient Randy I will not give up.

Paul, if they don't have the newspapers at the Clark County Library and you have to go back to UNLV, don't talk to the people at the front desk. Instead, go directly to the newspaper archives and talk to the staff librarian up there (not a student librarian). I was at the UNLV library circa 2005 doing research on Jim Jeffries. I told the librarian what I was doing, and she let me use the newspapers without any problems. I don't remember her name, but she was a very nice lady, and extremely helpful. If you talk to a staff librarian and tell him or her exactly what you are doing, I bet they'll let you do your research without any problems. Indeed, the librarian will probably help you find the clipping you want, and assist you in copying it.

From my experience, NEVER talk to a student librarian because one of two things will happen, and neither is good. Sometimes, the student doesn't give a sh*t and he or she will point you in the direction of the microfilm and tell you to "help yourself." And you will be helping yourself because they can't be bothered to show you how to find anything, or help you if problems arise with the microfilm machine. Or, you will get somebody who is completely anal who will want you to practically enroll at the university before they will let you use the microfilms. My experience is that the professional staff librarians are friendly and accommodating. Occasionally - such as at UCLA - I had to get a visitor's library card, but it didn't cost anything.

As I recall, the newspaper microfilm archives at UNLV are on the second or third floor, overlooking the atrium. I hope this helps if you have to go back.

Newspaper archives at public libraries fall into one of two extremes: Either the archives are meager, or you’ll find yourself blown away by the amount of newspaper resources they have. I hope you discover the latter at the Clark County Library. Make sure you go to the main library. Branch libraries rarely have any newspapers. The best public library I've been to is the Boston Public Library. One of the worst (sorry, guys) was the LA Public Library. The librarian, however, was a real babe - which lessened the pain of doing research there.

I hope this helps.

raylawpc wrote:

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Just got back about 40 minutes ago from UNLV, when I got there I went to the library and asked the person at the front about looking up archived newspapers, he told me I would have to sign up for an account, he then asked me for a photo I.D and credit card, I told him I already have a library card for clark county,he then told me that they were not affiliated with the clark county library, so in a couple of days I will go to the clark county library to see if they have the archived newspapers on microfilm, be patient Randy I will not give up.

Paul, if they don't have the newspapers at the Clark County Library and you have to go back to UNLV, don't talk to the people at the front desk. Instead, go directly to the newspaper archives and talk to the staff librarian up there (not a student librarian). I was at the UNLV library circa 2005 doing research on Jim Jeffries. I told the librarian what I was doing, and she let me use the newspapers without any problems. I don't remember her name, but she was a very nice lady, and extremely helpful. If you talk to a staff librarian and tell him or her exactly what you are doing, I bet they'll let you do your research without any problems. Indeed, the librarian will probably help you find the clipping you want, and assist you in copying it.

From my experience, NEVER talk to a student librarian because one of two things will happen, and neither is good. Sometimes, the student doesn't give a sh*t and he or she will point you in the direction of the microfilm and tell you to "help yourself." And you will be helping yourself because they can't be bothered to show you how to find anything, or help you if problems arise with the microfilm machine. Or, you will get somebody who is completely anal who will want you to practically enroll at the university before they will let you use the microfilms. My experience is that the professional staff librarians are friendly and accommodating. Occasionally - such as at UCLA - I had to get a visitor's library card, but it didn't cost anything.

As I recall, the newspaper microfilm archives at UNLV are on the second or third floor, overlooking the atrium. I hope this helps if you have to go back.

Newspaper archives at public libraries fall into one of two extremes: Either the archives are meager, or you’ll find yourself blown away by the amount of newspaper resources they have. I hope you discover the latter at the Clark County Library. Make sure you go to the main library. Branch libraries rarely have any newspapers. The best public library I've been to is the Boston Public Library. One of the worst (sorry, guys) was the LA Public Library. The librarian, however, was a real babe - which lessened the pain of doing research there.

I hope this helps.

Thanks tom, this guy I talked to today was certainly a student and he was also what I call a ''by the book guy'' you know the type if there mother was speeding and they were a cop, they would say ''sorry mom I had to give you a ticket, I was only doing my job''.

This is the real Sylvester Stallone . . .

I've worked with Sylvester Stallone on several features, as a lighting tech.
The first was early in my career at Universal, "Paradise Alley".
The last was, "Demolition Man".

While filming "Demo Man", we shot many interior scenes on stage at Warner Bros.
One morning as we arrived on stage for the days work, papers are posted at the Crafts Service table, and being handed out to the crew by production assistants. The message comes from the films executive producer, Joel Silver.

In the memo, Silver instructs the entire crew to "avoid making eye contact with Sly".
It seems "Sly" doesn't feel comfortable with crew members looking at him when he's on set.
When I saw this, I had been around the business for a long time. So had most of the others behind the camera.
What a prima donna! I wasn't happy with the production anyway, and had a bigger film ready to start, so I walked.
I went to the production manager and told him to close me out. I told him my thoughts of Stallone, and I left the studio.

I have to laugh at the IBHOF inducting Stallone.
This is the same organization that criticized me for the induction of Lucia Rijker, a legit female prizefighter & champion.
I guess they had a problem with the idea of a woman prizefighter being taken seriously.
Now they are shoving an actor down the throat of boxing history? The desperation of non-boxing people.
As for the Brophy family -

Rick Farris wrote:This is the real Sylvester Stallone . . .

I've worked with Sylvester Stallone on several features, as a lighting tech.
The first was early in my career at Universal, "Paradise Alley".
The last was, "Demolition Man".

While filming "Demo Man", we shot many interior scenes on stage at Warner Bros.
One morning as we arrived on stage for the days work, papers are posted at the Crafts Service table, and being handed out to the crew by production assistants. The message comes from the films executive producer, Joel Silver.

In the memo, Silver instructs the entire crew to "avoid making eye contact with Sly".
It seems "Sly" doesn't feel comfortable with crew members looking at him when he's on set.
When I saw this, I had been around the business for a long time. So had most of the others behind the camera.
What a prima donna! I wasn't happy with the production anyway, and had a bigger film ready to start, so I walked.
I went to the production manager and told him to close me out. I told him my thoughts of Stallone, and I left the studio.

I have to laugh at the IBHOF inducting Stallone.
This is the same organization that criticized me for the induction of Lucia Rijker, a legit female prizefighter & champion.
I guess they had a problem with the idea of a woman prizefighter being taken seriously.
Now they are shoving an actor down the throat of boxing history? The desperation of non-boxing people.
As for the Brophy family -

Rick I have no respect for people like Stallone, who as a struggling actor prior to 1976, I am sure would have loved people to recognize him, as soon as they get famous they forget thats what they wanted in the first place, ''fame''

Republicans block US health aid for 9/11 workers

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/nyreg ... .html?_r=1

On the boxers of the past thread, someone is asking who the best Chinese heavyweights were ?, that's like asking who were the only straight male hair dressers ? are there any

More on Stallone . . .

While Tommy Morrison guest starred in one of the Rocky features, Sylvester Stallone instructed Morrison, "Don't pull your punches in boxing scenes with stunt men." Sly wanted realism in the slow-motion close-ups of the boxer taking the shot.
A stunt man is kinda like a modern day cowboy. They are a macho group, they don't cry or complain when they take a hard hit, or suffer injuries, many life altering. They are stunt men, not pro fighters. They have skills in a variety of areas. Some, like Bobby Bass, are legendary stunt drivers. They can make a car whatever a script requires. Some are Western types, real cowboys and wranglers. Then you have your martial arts and fighting specialists. None are the best at their specialty, just the best of making it look right for the camera.
As a result of Stallone's orders to Morrison, a stunt man received a blow that left him in a coma for several days, and required reconstructive surgery.
You'd never hear the stunt man cry over a painful "gag", but what in the hell is wrong with Stallone?
He didn't have the balls to let Morrison cut down on him.
And this guy is going in the IBHOF??? Disgusting, at best.

Rick Farris wrote:More on Stallone . . .

While Tommy Morrison guest starred in one of the Rocky features, Sylvester Stallone instructed Morrison, "Don't pull your punches in boxing scenes with stunt men." Sly wanted realism in the slow-motion close-ups of the boxer taking the shot.
A stunt man is kinda like a modern day cowboy. They are a macho group, they don't cry or complain when they take a hard hit, or suffer injuries, many life altering. They are stunt men, not pro fighters. They have skills in a variety of areas. Some, like Bobby Bass, are legendary stunt drivers. They can make a car whatever a script requires. Some are Western types, real cowboys and wranglers. Then you have your martial arts and fighting specialists. None are the best at their specialty, just the best of making it look right for the camera.
As a result of Stallone's orders to Morrison, a stunt man received a blow that left him in a coma for several days, and required reconstructive surgery.
You'd never hear the stunt man cry over a painful "gag", but what in the hell is wrong with Stallone?
He didn't have the balls to let Morrison cut down on him.
And this guy is going in the IBHOF??? Disgusting, at best.

He probably remembered what Earnie Shavers did to him, so he let someone else take the shot.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:More on Stallone . . .

While Tommy Morrison guest starred in one of the Rocky features, Sylvester Stallone instructed Morrison, "Don't pull your punches in boxing scenes with stunt men." Sly wanted realism in the slow-motion close-ups of the boxer taking the shot.
A stunt man is kinda like a modern day cowboy. They are a macho group, they don't cry or complain when they take a hard hit, or suffer injuries, many life altering. They are stunt men, not pro fighters. They have skills in a variety of areas. Some, like Bobby Bass, are legendary stunt drivers. They can make a car whatever a script requires. Some are Western types, real cowboys and wranglers. Then you have your martial arts and fighting specialists. None are the best at their specialty, just the best of making it look right for the camera.
As a result of Stallone's orders to Morrison, a stunt man received a blow that left him in a coma for several days, and required reconstructive surgery.
You'd never hear the stunt man cry over a painful "gag", but what in the hell is wrong with Stallone?
He didn't have the balls to let Morrison cut down on him.
And this guy is going in the IBHOF??? Disgusting, at best.

He probably remembered what Earnie Shavers did to him, so he let someone else take the shot.

Tommy Morrison is a buffoon.

kikibalt wrote:Republicans block US health aid for 9/11 workers

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/nyreg ... .html?_r=1

I spent the last nite hours & today hours watching the vote on this on C-Span. It is a shame what politics does to people in need.
Katrina, Agent Orange are just a few other disgraces that come to mind.

This is a reprint of an Email we got today from our attys representing 10,000 of us.
New York, New York December 9, 2010 For Immediate Release: The Attorneys representing more than ten thousand men and women, including first responders who became ill after working at the World Trade Center site following the collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11 say they are "saddened and appalled" by the fact that Senate Republicans have rejected a procedural move by Democrats to end debate on the James Zadroga 9/11 health bill and bring it to an up-or-down vote before the end of the session.

"These men and women did not hesitate for a second when their country called them to the site of a disaster, placing their health, their ability to earn a living and indeed, their very lives on the line," said Paul Napoli, Senior Partner of Worby Groner Edelman & Napoli Bern, LLP. Napoli continued, saying "this week we have seen the death of the thirtieth New York Police officer from Ground Zero toxic exposure injuries. How many more of these brave heroes have to die before the Republicans in the Senate decide providing for them is a worthwhile expenditure? No one should be playing politics when the stakes for our first responders, the very best of us all, are so high"

I just want to add that a total of 872 workers total (FF's,PD, heavy machine operators,vols.body searchers,Emerg. Medical workers,etc etc) have died to date from 9-11 exposures. Many more have cancers and lung disease. Over 20 lung transplants have taken place to date. 5 more people are in hospice care as we speak. 90 % are aged 30-50.

Through the past couple of months, your posts about 9-11 and support with kind words have warmed my heart more than any bill that Congress can write. Thank You.

Tonight, I just got done watching the PPV Boxing match between
Thomas Adamek vs Vinny Maddalone. Scheduled for 12 Rds for Adamek's
two heavyweight title belts.
Adamek in shape at age 34, 214 lbs, 6' 1 1/2'
Maddalone age 24, 230 lbs, 6'2' been in training last 14 weeks looks soft around the middle.

Rds 1-4 Adamek tough, way too quick for Maddalone, and hardly getting touched from a slow Maddalone. Adamek moving left to right well and tagging Maddalone effectively.
Rd 5 Adamek has slowed Maddalone down and Vinny is now feeling the desperation to just connect solidly.Vinny opening up more but Adamek now sees his shots clear and sticking Vinny too much.
1 1/2 mins in Vinny takes a solid one to the jaw and is dropped. Rises quickly but still groggy. Adamek moves in for the KO. Solid combos wobble Vinny enough and Ref Steve Smoger stops the tilt a few seconds later. Vinny and his corner all in agreement on this one.

In post fight interview- Adamek looking forward to Klitschko Bros. but would accept a David Haye fight to keep moving forward.

My opinion.-One of the very few Lt-heavies I have seen move up in weight class effectively.This is his 5th Heavywt fight. Beat Michael Grant & Chris Arreola last two times out. Adamek has what it takes to beat Haye, Klitschkos' remain to be seen.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:More on Stallone . . .

While Tommy Morrison guest starred in one of the Rocky features, Sylvester Stallone instructed Morrison, "Don't pull your punches in boxing scenes with stunt men." Sly wanted realism in the slow-motion close-ups of the boxer taking the shot.
A stunt man is kinda like a modern day cowboy. They are a macho group, they don't cry or complain when they take a hard hit, or suffer injuries, many life altering. They are stunt men, not pro fighters. They have skills in a variety of areas. Some, like Bobby Bass, are legendary stunt drivers. They can make a car whatever a script requires. Some are Western types, real cowboys and wranglers. Then you have your martial arts and fighting specialists. None are the best at their specialty, just the best of making it look right for the camera.
As a result of Stallone's orders to Morrison, a stunt man received a blow that left him in a coma for several days, and required reconstructive surgery.
You'd never hear the stunt man cry over a painful "gag", but what in the hell is wrong with Stallone?
He didn't have the balls to let Morrison cut down on him.
And this guy is going in the IBHOF??? Disgusting, at best.

He probably remembered what Earnie Shavers did to him, so he let someone else take the shot.

What did Earnie Shavers do to him?

bennie wrote:

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:More on Stallone . . .

While Tommy Morrison guest starred in one of the Rocky features, Sylvester Stallone instructed Morrison, "Don't pull your punches in boxing scenes with stunt men." Sly wanted realism in the slow-motion close-ups of the boxer taking the shot.
A stunt man is kinda like a modern day cowboy. They are a macho group, they don't cry or complain when they take a hard hit, or suffer injuries, many life altering. They are stunt men, not pro fighters. They have skills in a variety of areas. Some, like Bobby Bass, are legendary stunt drivers. They can make a car whatever a script requires. Some are Western types, real cowboys and wranglers. Then you have your martial arts and fighting specialists. None are the best at their specialty, just the best of making it look right for the camera.
As a result of Stallone's orders to Morrison, a stunt man received a blow that left him in a coma for several days, and required reconstructive surgery.
You'd never hear the stunt man cry over a painful "gag", but what in the hell is wrong with Stallone?
He didn't have the balls to let Morrison cut down on him.
And this guy is going in the IBHOF??? Disgusting, at best.

He probably remembered what Earnie Shavers did to him, so he let someone else take the shot.

What did Earnie Shavers do to him?

I believe Shavers was the original choice for Clubber Lang in Rocky III, but did not know how to pull his punches, so Stallone, liking realism but not too much realism when it was his body on the line, opted for an actor.

Scartissue

scartissue wrote:

bennie wrote:

THEHAMMER321 wrote: He probably remembered what Earnie Shavers did to him, so he let someone else take the shot.

What did Earnie Shavers do to him?

I believe Shavers was the original choice for Clubber Lang in Rocky III, but did not know how to pull his punches, so Stallone, liking realism but not too much realism when it was his body on the line, opted for an actor.

Scartissue

Hilarious!

They never come back, but Derry Matthews and Scott Lawton hope to recapture past glories when they meet at Liverpool's Olympia on January 22 for the vacant IBO lightweight title.
Local man Matthews was stopped in six rounds by Lawton last year, after which he announced his retirement. It lasted eight months. "Dirty" Derry has won four out of five contests since returning in the summer and the strong, rangy fighter who once outclassed Stephen Foster Junior, now the European super-featherweight champion, looks more comfortable at lightweight.
Lawton retired after failing to get past the first round of Prizefighter super-featherweight last month but it lasted five minutes and the tall, stylish Stoke man who once went in with Amir Khan in front of 2,000 of his own supporters admits he is "skint".
Nevertheless, Lawton is also more comfortable at lightweight, and always keeps himself in great nick, and in a long, hard fight I fancy him to do the double.

My big labrador, Finchie, is not well. I took him to the vet on Tuesday, who diagnosed a stomach infection. He is on penicillin and I was hoping to see some improvement by now but his eyes look sickly and he is just lying around, with no alertness.