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When refs act the way Cortez did, it brings in to question the integrity of the game, an obvious favoritism to the ''name'' fighter.

Panzerfaust wrote:

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Its time to sent Cortez out to pasture, his time has pass....

isent putting him to sleep a bit drastic?? retirement would do
Khan did prove he had a chin,but by god so did Maidana!!

My beef is not with the fighters, just with incompetent refereeing. Maidana who has proven himself to be a Holy Terror in the ring really tested Kahn's resolve and will. I give credit to Kahn for hanging in there but that was really all he did, hang in there. He really hurt Maidana early on with the two body shots. Maidana can really take it. When asked about the rematch Maidana didn't seemed to be too interested. He may feel differently tomorrow.

Rick Farris wrote:

Chuck1052 wrote:It appears that there were a number of former fighters who passed away while they were patients at Camarillo State Hospital, including Ad Wolgast, Terry Kellar and Frank Fields.

Wolgast doesn't need any introduction.

Kellar was a journeyman light-heavyweight/heavyweight who fought both Jack Dempsey and Harry Greb several times each during an interesting career. It is probable that his real name was Roy Walter Keller (note the spelling of his last name).

Fields was a California clubfighter who fought in the welterweight and middleweight divisions during a career which lasted from 1901 to the early 1910s. He also was a versatile boxing man who promoted boxing cards, trained and managed boxers, and refereed bouts. I became interested in Fields because he and Sam McVey were virtual stablemates who resided in Oxnard, California during the beginning of their respective careers.

- Chuck Johnston

Ad Wolgast at Camarillo . . .

Chuck, in the mid-60's I read a great story on Ad Wolgast in Boxing Illustrated.
In the story, it details how Wolgast was abused physically while a patient at the Camarillo State Hospital.
For those unaware, Camrillo State Hospital is a mental health facility in Ventura County.
According to the story. Two large hospital aides didn't like Wolgasts foul language, and beat the former champ badly, breaking his ribs.
Later they were heard bosting of their conquest over a former boxing champion.
Wolgast is one of my favorite's from the past.
Thanks to Tom Ray, I learned that Wolgast's name was not among the greats honored by the WBHOF.
In 2009, the name Ad Wolgast took it's place on the World Boxing Hall of Fame Honor Roll.

Camarillo State Hospital is no more. California State University, Channel Islands was built on the same site.

-Chuck Johnston

kikibalt wrote:

telboy66 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

I tried that but it didn't work she stands over me now to make sure it's done to her standard

You're in trouble TB....

Don't I know it

Randall Bailey really lost the plot here, although having watched it a few times I'm not sure he actually meant to drop his opponent out of the ring. It was declared a no-contest.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yf4aTGM0T0

Well done to Amir Khan, who sucked it up and got the win. I respect him for coming through against a puncher.

Howard Winstone with his two Lonsdale Belts.

Review of the Movie "The Fighter" by PopcornBiz
In case you’ve somehow forgotten in the midst of the holiday season what a drag your family can be on your hopes, dreams and sanity, “The Fighter” is here to remind you. But don’t let that discourage you, ‘cuz it’s also a ripping good time.

Mark Wahlberg is “The Fighter,” Irish Micky Ward, a promising junior welterweight from the mean streets of Lowell, a spent old mill town on Massachusetts’ north shore. Ward learned most everything he knows about boxing from his older brother, Dicky Eklund (Christian Bale, firmly wrapping his fingers around his first Oscar nomination), whose own promising career was derailed by drug addiction.

Micky and Dicky are half-brothers, just two of the nine (9!) offspring of Alice Eklund (Melissa Leo). Alice, as her sons call her, is a self-absorbed, chain-smoking mess constantly swearing she only has Micky’s best interest at heart, while repeatedly throwing him to the wolves.

It sounds like a wicked bummer, but the film is a blast, a funny, energetic, exciting ride set to a high-octane soundtrack featuring the likes of Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin and The Heavy -- you know and love their song “How You Like Me Now,” you just don’t know it.

Director David O. Russell manages to weave the story of a junkie, an up-from-the-streets underdog, a drama about the horrors of family dynamics, a story about the value of a good woman, and a buddy comedy all into one narrative without ever losing his place. It’s an impressive piece of storytelling, with the brothers’ seven sisters serving as a hilarious gum-snapping Greek chorus with names like Beaver, Red Dog, Tar and Pork. Oh, and there's a ton of great boxing scenes, too.

Wahlberg, who’s been trying to get this film made for five years now, proves once again that he manages his career better than perhaps anyone in Hollywood. He’s made some bad movies, for sure -- just ask him about ”The Happening.” But he’s rarely in a film that leaves you wondering, What on Earth was he thinking? And given his modest talents as an actor, he’s made some very good films: “The Basketball Diaries,” “Boogie Nights,” “Three Kings,” “The Departed.”

Irish Micky Ward is maybe the perfect role for Wahlberg, who gets to pour much of his energy either getting into rock-hard shape or stand-there-agape at the human disasters that are keeping him down. And Wahlberg smartly surrounded himself with top-flight talent in Christian Bale, Amy Adams (reminding you why you feel in love with her in “Junebug”) and Melissa Leo, all of who nail the accent that so often derails any movie that takes place within 100 miles of Beantown.

Dicky Edlund is an actor’s dream: dental prosthetics, crazy accent, weight loss (though nothing like “The Mechanic”) and drug abuse… and Bale crushes it, without making it a showy, scenery-chewing spectacle. To get an idea of how good Bale’s work really is, stick around for the credits and see some footage of the real Dicky.

When the first trailer for “The Fighter” dropped, some clowns in cyberspace couldn’t help but wonder what Russell was doing directing what appeared to be a simple underdog story. Turns out he was making one of the best underdog movies ever.

bennie wrote:Well done to Amir Khan, who sucked it up and got the win. I respect him for coming through against a puncher.

I agree, Bennie. I credit him for taking a fight that most would avoid (You never saw Roy Jones Jr. deliberatly put his chin in the path path of danger) and standing in the pocket and trading blows. When he was hurt, he hung tough and survived. Khan validated his heart, which compliments his speed and power. I'm not very impressed with any of the 140 pounders today, I don't see the division as deep in talent as Jim Lampley suggests, however, I believe that Khan is the best of that division at the moment. I knew Maidana would be tough and dangerous, and he was. I liked the way Khan worked the body, especially that beautiful hook to the liver that flattened Maidana in the opening round. The Argentine boxer was fortunate that it happened just before the bell ending the round. I'm glad Maidana survived, because it allowed Kahn to prove what he needed to prove to fans.

Where's the tamales.

Randyman wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote:

Randyman wrote:

isent putting him to sleep a bit drastic?? retirement would do
Khan did prove he had a chin,but by god so did Maidana!!

My beef is not with the fighters, just with incompetent refereeing. Maidana who has proven himself to be a Holy Terror in the ring really tested Kahn's resolve and will. I give credit to Kahn for hanging in there but that was really all he did, hang in there. He really hurt Maidana early on with the two body shots. Maidana can really take it. When asked about the rematch Maidana didn't seemed to be too interested. He may feel differently tomorrow.

Officially Corrupt . . .

I agree with you on the refereeing, Randy. The only ancient referees that still get championship assignments are the crooked ones, and this includes California's Marty Denkin. These old farts know how to play the game, and it always favors the house. The young, inexperienced officials are incompetent and often put a boxer's health and welfare in jeopardy. That point deduction for Maidana was uncalled for. I don't doubt the Argentine was fighting dirty, but I think Larry Merchant called it right when he pointed out, "The point deduction was based on an elbow to Cortez." If you watch the replay, the look on Cortez's face is funny. He felt that elbow and it pissed him off. him

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Where's the tamales.

Not on my table this morning. Monica is at work and I'm too lazy to drive to ELA.
I could walk around the corner and get some like I did last week, but they don't make the cut.
I sent Frank a photo of last week's tamales and they didn't make the thread.
Not every item of food photographed can make the pages of this gourmet thread, only the real deal!
Maybe I'll make a run to Taco Bell. It's all the same to us gabachos.

I must be losing it . . .

I actually found myself agreeing with Larry Merchant last night.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Where's the tamales.

Saving them for Xmas Paul....

Anybody on here an ''in and out hamburger guy'', I sure am, the funny thing is we didn't get them in vegas until I was in my 20s, but I remember traveling through California all through my childhood and we would always pass them but my parents would always go to mcdonalds instead so I never even tried them until they opened them in vegas, They just recently opened another California hamburger chain here, Tommy's, the best chili burgers around.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Anybody on here an ''in and out hamburger guy'', I sure am, the funny thing is we didn't get them in vegas until I was in my 20s, but I remember traveling through California all through my childhood and we would always pass them but my parents would always go to mcdonalds instead so I never even tried them until they opened them in vegas, They just recently opened another California hamburger chain here, Tommy's, the best chili burgers around.

Jeri and I are big on In & Out Hamburgers and have been for years but my favorite is Crony's in East L.A. on Whittier blvd. They are similar in style and size.

I used to go to the Original Tommy's, at Beverly and Rampart, but I haven't been there in years. Might have to pay them a visit.

Randy

Rick Farris wrote:I must be losing it . . .

I actually found myself agreeing with Larry Merchant last night.

It's a topsy turvy world Rick.

Randy wrote:

I’m the same way now Frank, but when I was growing up I used to have a bad temper. I would fight or argue at the drop of a hat. I was self conscious about my hearing when I was younger. Someone would say something and I could never be sure if I was being insulted or not. Pretty soon I realized that everyone got a kick out of seeing my confusion, so they would say something and then act like I heard wrong. Later when I had to go to a special school for the deaf I had to wear a extra large hearing aid, the box itself was about the size of a shoebox with a handle and several dials on it, the ear muffs that covered my ears were the same size as those used for hearing protection when shooting a gun. You can imagine how I felt having to wear this to class everyday and you can imagine how cruel kids can be. I was in the second grade at the time. I developed thick skin during those years, still I had a bad temper when I got older. My father gave me some good advice when he said, repeatedly “Randy, you can’t fight the whole world!” He was right.

Back then there was a bus company for kids with special needs, It was called the Harvey Bus Company. It was a small yellow bus that went to the home of all the student with special needs and took them to school. The kids that rode the bus were called Harveys (by the other students), it was filled with deaf students, mentally disabled , autistic and anyone that had some type of problem. I used to make fun of those kids, like I said, kids can be cruel. One day the tables were turned and I was riding on the Harvey bus. It was a lesson in humility. Now I had to endure the insults. I learned over the years to ignore remarks and insults. I developed thick skin. I also learned not to judge or make fun of someone that might be a little different.

Eventually, I was put back in the regular school system but I had speech therapy up until I entered high school. During my Junior high school years I had yet to learn to 100% control my temper, add to that I was angry about being forced to wear a hearing aid, so I was still getting into fights. I can’t pinpoint when I stopped feeling self conscious about my hearing but eventually I figured who gives a sh*t. Life is too short to be angry over nothing.
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Randy . . . I don't believe I have ever met a finer man than yourself. When I was a kid, I was pretty shy & quiet around strangers, small for my age. Around those I knew well, I was just a normal kid. I found often that bullies liked to go after those who can't defend themselves, or those they believed would not try. I always tried, but sometimes I got my ass whipped. I can still remember being pinned, or locked up in a way that prevented me from being able to punch, grab, or fight back as I wanted. I can also remember when I realized the best way to end a fight, and discourage revenge was to hurt a bully as much as I could. It not only ended the bully problem, but also sent a message to spectators. I wanted people to know that engaging me in a fight could be a painful reality, regardless the winner. I was in elementary school when a kid a grade above me began with a shove in a hallway. I didn't react, kept walking, another shove and it was on. I quickly went to the ground, both of us in headlocks, the guy was too big and I hadn't yet learned how to control a larger opponent on the ground. Our bodies were pressed together, my face in his chest, I was able to slide up, my face just below his, his hair stuck in my face. He was rolling on the ground, his arms wrapped around me, rolling me wherever he wanted. He had my arms wrapped up, legs too, and he just rolled me around as if trying to press me into the ground. I felt something pressed against my forhead, it was his ear. I raised my head just enough to grab that ear in my teeth. A couple seconds later the direction of the fight had changed, the arms were no longer wrapped around my body, the body was no longer pressed against mine, my arms were free, legs to. The only thing that connected me with the bully was his ear, and my teeth. He was screaming bloody murder, his tears were falling on my face. He tore his lobe attempting to pull his ear free, and I released my bite, as soon as my arms were around his neck. The crying coward was now locked up in a crude, but effective choke hold. I was next going to strangle him, but a teacher intervened. I was in the 4th grade. Nobody fucked with me again.

bennie wrote:Randall Bailey really lost the plot here, although having watched it a few times I'm not sure he actually meant to drop his opponent out of the ring. It was declared a no-contest.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yf4aTGM0T0

Jeez, what was he thinking? He certainly meant to pick him up but I'm not so sure he meant to trough him out of the ring either.He looked as surprised as anyone or maybe he's a good actor. I'm surprised he made it out of the arena in one piece, ....or did he?

Randy

That's the first time I've seen a move like that since Andre the Giant threw Wepner out of the ring. lol


By the way I can't wait to see "The Fighter" it looks to be sensational!

Rick Farris wrote:Randy wrote:

I’m the same way now Frank, but when I was growing up I used to have a bad temper. I would fight or argue at the drop of a hat. I was self conscious about my hearing when I was younger. Someone would say something and I could never be sure if I was being insulted or not. Pretty soon I realized that everyone got a kick out of seeing my confusion, so they would say something and then act like I heard wrong. Later when I had to go to a special school for the deaf I had to wear a extra large hearing aid, the box itself was about the size of a shoebox with a handle and several dials on it, the ear muffs that covered my ears were the same size as those used for hearing protection when shooting a gun. You can imagine how I felt having to wear this to class everyday and you can imagine how cruel kids can be. I was in the second grade at the time. I developed thick skin during those years, still I had a bad temper when I got older. My father gave me some good advice when he said, repeatedly “Randy, you can’t fight the whole world!” He was right.

Back then there was a bus company for kids with special needs, It was called the Harvey Bus Company. It was a small yellow bus that went to the home of all the student with special needs and took them to school. The kids that rode the bus were called Harveys (by the other students), it was filled with deaf students, mentally disabled , autistic and anyone that had some type of problem. I used to make fun of those kids, like I said, kids can be cruel. One day the tables were turned and I was riding on the Harvey bus. It was a lesson in humility. Now I had to endure the insults. I learned over the years to ignore remarks and insults. I developed thick skin. I also learned not to judge or make fun of someone that might be a little different.

Eventually, I was put back in the regular school system but I had speech therapy up until I entered high school. During my Junior high school years I had yet to learn to 100% control my temper, add to that I was angry about being forced to wear a hearing aid, so I was still getting into fights. I can’t pinpoint when I stopped feeling self conscious about my hearing but eventually I figured who gives a sh*t. Life is too short to be angry over nothing.
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Randy . . . I don't believe I have ever met a finer man than yourself. When I was a kid, I was pretty shy & quiet around strangers, small for my age. Around those I knew well, I was just a normal kid. I found often that bullies liked to go after those who can't defend themselves, or those they believed would not try. I always tried, but sometimes I got my ass whipped. I can still remember being pinned, or locked up in a way that prevented me from being able to punch, grab, or fight back as I wanted. I can also remember when I realized the best way to end a fight, and discourage revenge was to hurt a bully as much as I could. It not only ended the bully problem, but also sent a message to spectators. I wanted people to know that engaging me in a fight could be a painful reality, regardless the winner. I was in elementary school when a kid a grade above me began with a shove in a hallway. I didn't react, kept walking, another shove and it was on. I quickly went to the ground, both of us in headlocks, the guy was too big and I hadn't yet learned how to control a larger opponent on the ground. Our bodies were pressed together, my face in his chest, I was able to slide up, my face just below his, his hair stuck in my face. He was rolling on the ground, his arms wrapped around me, rolling me wherever he wanted. He had my arms wrapped up, legs too, and he just rolled me around as if trying to press me into the ground. I felt something pressed against my forhead, it was his ear. I raised my head just enough to grab that ear in my teeth. A couple seconds later the direction of the fight had changed, the arms were no longer wrapped around my body, the body was no longer pressed against mine, my arms were free, legs to. The only thing that connected me with the bully was his ear, and my teeth. He was screaming bloody murder, his tears were falling on my face. He tore his lobe attempting to pull his ear free, and I released my bite, as soon as my arms were around his neck. The crying coward was now locked up in a crude, but effective choke hold. I was next going to strangle him, but a teacher intervened. I was in the 4th grade. Nobody fucked with me again.

Rick, I love that story. Most guys, even if they believe they can kick your a$$, will not want to mess with someone that will fight back. It's simple common sense.

That being said, sometimes a guy just has to fight, sometimes there is no way around it.

A side note to my earlier story. I was taken out of regular school in the middle of second grade and put in the new school, Cresson Elementary School in Santa Fe Springs. They had a special program for the deaf and hard of hearing, half day in the deaf class and half day in regular class. On the first day of class, at the first recess, I was walking around the blacktop, I didn't know anyone yet. This big kid came up to me, I had no idea who he was. I was wearing that monstrosity of a hearing aid and he came up to me and started teasing me, grabbing the box and he pushed me. Without a thought I threw a right hand to his stomach. I hit him so hard he dropped to both knees and started gasping for air and crying at the same time.

Everyone came running to see what had happened. It turned out the kid was the terror of Cresson school and I just kicked his a$$. I made a lot of friends that day.

bennie wrote:Well done to Amir Khan, who sucked it up and got the win. I respect him for coming through against a puncher.

I agree Bennie, Maidana firmly tested Kahn's will and resolve, as well as his chin but for a few moments there things were pretty shaky for Kahn. If Khan and Ortiz were to fight, Ortiz wouldn't make it to the final bell. Anyone disagree?

Rick, your story reminded me of a fight, my friend Mike Teran (Keeny's nephew) got in to in grade school. He was in a similar position against a very large guy that had him pinned down and was literally chocking the life out of him. He reached into his shirt pocket, grabbed his pen and as hard as he could, he shoved it a inch or two into the guys thigh, just like that the fight was over.

Panzerfaust wrote:

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Its time to sent Cortez out to pasture, his time has pass....

isent putting him to sleep a bit drastic?? retirement would do
Khan did prove he had a chin,but by god so did Maidana!!

That's out to pasture with the cows, not killing the guy...

kikibalt wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote:

Randyman wrote:

isent putting him to sleep a bit drastic?? retirement would do
Khan did prove he had a chin,but by god so did Maidana!!

That's out to pasture with the cows, not killing the guy...

Although euthanasia may just be the way to go in this case. I'm just saying.