Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

You’ve definitely got a bad case of tunnel vision. You know Wlad was almost 40. Most athletes are in gradual decline throughout their 30’s, which is why a lot stop in their mid-30’s. Wlad probably only carried on that long because the heavyweight division is so bereft of actual talent. And as for Wilder - you know he would not survive in any other era but this one?

No, not really. He’s only lost to Fury and came very close to knocking him out twice. Olympic bronze medalist. Again, I could name an awful lot of Heavyweight champions he could have beaten. Loads.

As I said above, Wilder would have been eaten alive by any number of unfashionable names. James Toney would have had a field day against a heavyweight lacking such basic skills.

Rose tinted glasses speaking there pal. James Toney didn't have a field day against Sam Peter, Oquendo and Rahman.

[polecateddy]

No, not really. He’s only lost to Fury and came very close to knocking him out twice. Olympic bronze medalist. Again, I could name an awful lot of Heavyweight champions he could have beaten. Loads.

As I said above, Wilder would have been eaten alive by any number of unfashionable names. James Toney would have had a field day against a heavyweight lacking such basic skills.

Rose tinted glasses speaking there pal. James Toney didn't have a field day against Sam Peter, Oquendo and Rahman.

But can we say Wilder is better than Toney, Peter and Rahman given his level of journeyman opposition? I think some of their heavyweight peaks were quite short. The Peter who had Wlad on the floor multiple times was obviously a handful, likewise the motivated Toney coming out of the cruiserweights to give ageing Holyfield a painful lesson. If Wilder had faced the aforementioned when they were on it, it’s a bad night for him.

…as Spence and Crawford show everyone up and just get on with it!

[The Gratest]

The man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man after eating over 360 wild boar testicles a day.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

As I said above, Wilder would have been eaten alive by any number of unfashionable names. James Toney would have had a field day against a heavyweight lacking such basic skills.

Rose tinted glasses speaking there pal. James Toney didn't have a field day against Sam Peter, Oquendo and Rahman.

But can we say Wilder is better than Toney, Peter and Rahman given his level of journeyman opposition? I think some of their heavyweight peaks were quite short. The Peter who had Wlad on the floor multiple times was obviously a handful, likewise the motivated Toney coming out of the cruiserweights to give ageing Holyfield a painful lesson. If Wilder had faced the aforementioned when they were on it, it’s a bad night for him.

…as Spence and Crawford show everyone up and just get on with it!

Rahman and Peter were easy to hit and both KO'd in their prime. Maskeev's right hand KO'd Rahman twice so I'd definitely expect Wilder to find his mark.

As for James Toney, you're putting a 5'9 with a 72 inch reach, who is an immobile lazy boxer with a 6'7 with an 83 inch wingspan and a lightening fast knockout right hand. It's a hard ask, a harder ask than Peter and Rahman. The Holyfield fight also suited Toney stylistically. As Holyfield wanted to come forward and fight on the inside and was only 6'2 and a former cruserweight himself. That version of Holyfield was also losing to Chris Byrd and John Ruiz.

I honestly dislike Widler on a personal level but the underrating of his physical assets gets to be a bit much.

[polecateddy]

Rose tinted glasses speaking there pal. James Toney didn't have a field day against Sam Peter, Oquendo and Rahman.

But can we say Wilder is better than Toney, Peter and Rahman given his level of journeyman opposition? I think some of their heavyweight peaks were quite short. The Peter who had Wlad on the floor multiple times was obviously a handful, likewise the motivated Toney coming out of the cruiserweights to give ageing Holyfield a painful lesson. If Wilder had faced the aforementioned when they were on it, it’s a bad night for him.

…as Spence and Crawford show everyone up and just get on with it!

Rahman and Peter were easy to hit and both KO'd in their prime. Maskeev's right hand KO'd Rahman twice so I'd definitely expect Wilder to find his mark.

As for James Toney, you're putting a 5'9 with a 72 inch reach, who is an immobile lazy boxer with a 6'7 with an 83 inch wingspan and a lightening fast knockout right hand. It's a hard ask, a harder ask than Peter and Rahman. The Holyfield fight also suited Toney stylistically. As Holyfield wanted to come forward and fight on the inside and was only 6'2 and a former cruserweight himself. That version of Holyfield was also losing to Chris Byrd and John Ruiz.

I honestly dislike Widler on a personal level but the underrating of his physical assets gets to be a bit much.

‘Lightening fast’ is he? Like Butterbean’s hooks! I think it really depends on the level of the opposition. Wilder is only a maybe to do anything because his level of competition is woeful. This sort of post is quite typical. Totally dismissive of Chris Byrd, yet just go away and watch Bryd/Tua. There’s some mega skill on display by the lighter fighter. He had way more skill than Usyk and yet remains something of a footnote.

[margaret thatcher]

apparently he has even faster hands than ali , according to pn

[mickey1975]

apparently he has even faster hands than ali , according to pn

And he's a very raw novice according to others....

[margaret thatcher]

well f@ck me, let's round them up and arrest them for that, calling wilder raw

[mickey1975]

well f@ck me, let's round them up and arrest them for that, calling wilder raw

Or fast?

[margaret thatcher]

no sh!T sherlock

wilder is fast indeed, although faster than ali.......that is quite something lol

[The Gratest]

Yeah Mags, but remember, for those boxing skillz detractors, he won a Bronze medal at the Olympics. So up there with our own Bobby Wells and Frazer Clarke. Not quite at the same level as Audley, but hey ho!

[margaret thatcher]

true, i have been impressed at how big bronze fraze floats around the ring like a butterfly too

[coneye]

Well , in the red corner we have a few confirmed Tyson Fury nuthuggers who think he's the best boxer evr with there heads so far up his arse and there tongue firmly hanging out stuck to his balls they can't even smell the shit.

In the blue corner we have the Fury haters , who are so full of hatred they forget that he is a world champ , he is 6' 9" he can box , brawl , move lean , like no other giant has ever done before , they forgot he has boxed since he was 7 and its all second nature to him , they have forgot he is a master of manipulation , .

And in the arena are 100,000 fans , who while acknolodging his size his skills his manipulation skills ,, Can also see he's a lying egotystical prick who's biggest claim to fame is he beat an aging Klitchko on his own turf and beat a guy who only had one punch to his name and a terrible resume
He seemed to have ducked and dived away from most credible opponents , including possibly the biggest money spinning fight in the history of boxing , against AJ with ridiculous demands , and time frames , . He also chickened out on fighting and becoming the totally undisputed king of the world with ridiculous see through shenanigans against Usyk .

And whilst knowing all this them same 100,000 fans would all likely admit if he was'nt such an ego tripping greedy bastard scared of losing to anyone credible ,, he most likely would of won both fights ,

Conclusion has to be that Tyson Fury the gypsy Queen was so worried about losing he totally stuffed up his reputation and his legacy and will go down has a terrible world champ insted of the great one he was on the verge of being

[Coco]

Well , in the red corner we have a few confirmed Tyson Fury nuthuggers who think he's the best boxer evr with there heads so far up his arse and there tongue firmly hanging out stuck to his balls they can't even smell the shit.

In the blue corner we have the Fury haters , who are so full of hatred they forget that he is a world champ , he is 6' 9" he can box , brawl , move lean , like no other giant has ever done before , they forgot he has boxed since he was 7 and its all second nature to him , they have forgot he is a master of manipulation , .

And in the arena are 100,000 fans , who while acknolodging his size his skills his manipulation skills ,, Can also see he's a lying egotystical prick who's biggest claim to fame is he beat an aging Klitchko on his own turf and beat a guy who only had one punch to his name and a terrible resume
He seemed to have ducked and dived away from most credible opponents , including possibly the biggest money spinning fight in the history of boxing , against AJ with ridiculous demands , and time frames , . He also chickened out on fighting and becoming the totally undisputed king of the world with ridiculous see through shenanigans against Usyk .

And whilst knowing all this them same 100,000 fans would all likely admit if he was'nt such an ego tripping greedy bastard scared of losing to anyone credible ,, he most likely would of won both fights ,

Conclusion has to be that Tyson Fury the gypsy Queen was so worried about losing he totally stuffed up his reputation and his legacy and will go down has a terrible world champ insted of the great one he was on the verge of being

While I don't think he will go down as a terrible champ, I'm one of his fans, I can't really disagree with anything you say.

Now is the time too, he is in danger of going past his peak, the movement of which he is a master will def slow leaving him more likely to get caught.

The fights are there for him, tv deals already set.

It's one thing if he is playing mind games with Usyk and AJ, but I don't think people would complain too much if he kept busy with Dubois, Joyce and Zhang and the like.

This all reminds me of his dad and Mickey Theo.....
If your not in my back garden in the next 5 minutes you are a no show! So I'll call out Mike Tyson instead!

[The Gratest]

He's ballsed up his legacy with the AJ and Usyk theatrics. If he doesn't take either of them on, he'll always have that * next to his record.



*ducked his biggest rivals (unless you're a fan boi).

[AlexCayWalt]

He's in a bad position when speaking of the future options. Any opponent he's going to choose will be considered much worse than Usyk. His best options are Joshua (beaten twice by the Cat) and Joyce (pretty old for the top level and beaten by the Cat in WSB). Wilder in theory could defeat Usyk, but fighting Wilder again is irrelevant.
When Joshua and Wilder competed, each one of them had enough space for matchmaking maneuvers. For Fury, it would be good if Usyk loses to Hrgovic who's not considered a serious threat.

[Coco]

He's in a bad position when speaking of the future options. Any opponent he's going to choose will be considered much worse than Usyk. His best options are Joshua (beaten twice by the Cat) and Joyce (pretty old for the top level and beaten by the Cat in WSB). Wilder in theory could defeat Usyk, but fighting Wilder again is irrelevant.
When Joshua and Wilder competed, each one of them had enough space for matchmaking maneuvers. For Fury, it would be good if Usyk loses to Hrgovic who's not considered a serious threat.

What Fury needs is for Wilder to knock out AJ and Uysk

[AlexCayWalt]

What Fury needs is for Wilder to knock out AJ and Uysk

Could be this way, too. Although I don't believe Usyk - Wilder or Usyk - Joshua happens. Meanwhile, Wilder is 37 years old and doesn't seem to be active.

[Coco]

Fury can't be that ruled by money, while he obviously isn't short, he is turning down huge sums to fight.

[tonyevs]

He's in a bad position when speaking of the future options. Any opponent he's going to choose will be considered much worse than Usyk. His best options are Joshua (beaten twice by the Cat) and Joyce (pretty old for the top level and beaten by the Cat in WSB). Wilder in theory could defeat Usyk, but fighting Wilder again is irrelevant.
When Joshua and Wilder competed, each one of them had enough space for matchmaking maneuvers. For Fury, it would be good if Usyk loses to Hrgovic who's not considered a serious threat.

What Fury needs is for Wilder to knock out AJ and Uysk

What Fury needs is to grow a pair and try to knock out AJ and Usyk himself.

Styles make fights - if Wilder did KO any of those it doesn`t mean that Fury could also. Thats just the Fury fan default assumption unfortunately.

[mickey1975]

He's in a bad position when speaking of the future options. Any opponent he's going to choose will be considered much worse than Usyk. His best options are Joshua (beaten twice by the Cat) and Joyce (pretty old for the top level and beaten by the Cat in WSB). Wilder in theory could defeat Usyk, but fighting Wilder again is irrelevant.
When Joshua and Wilder competed, each one of them had enough space for matchmaking maneuvers. For Fury, it would be good if Usyk loses to Hrgovic who's not considered a serious threat.

What Fury needs is for Wilder to knock out AJ and Uysk

What Fury needs is to grow a pair and try to knock out AJ and Usyk himself.

Styles make fights - if Wilder did KO any of those it doesn`t mean that Fury could also. Thats just the Fury fan default assumption unfortunately.

Oh here we go. Absolutely terrible Wilder, lucky to ever win a fight, COULD KO either of those two? You lads have all bases covered, i'll give you that.

[tonyevs]

What Fury needs is for Wilder to knock out AJ and Uysk

What Fury needs is to grow a pair and try to knock out AJ and Usyk himself.

Styles make fights - if Wilder did KO any of those it doesn`t mean that Fury could also. Thats just the Fury fan default assumption unfortunately.

Oh here we go. Absolutely terrible Wilder, lucky to ever win a fight, COULD KO either of those two? You lads have all bases covered, i'll give you that.

You reading this properly Mick?

[polecateddy]

What Fury needs is for Wilder to knock out AJ and Uysk

What Fury needs is to grow a pair and try to knock out AJ and Usyk himself.

Styles make fights - if Wilder did KO any of those it doesn`t mean that Fury could also. Thats just the Fury fan default assumption unfortunately.

Oh here we go. Absolutely terrible Wilder, lucky to ever win a fight, COULD KO either of those two? You lads have all bases covered, i'll give you that.

He is terrible - give it a few more fights and he’ll be demonstrating the classic chinny puncher routine for you. Geez, I even thought he was making a meal of that Zelenoff fight. Telegraphing everything!

[Coco]

What Fury needs is to grow a pair and try to knock out AJ and Usyk himself.

Styles make fights - if Wilder did KO any of those it doesn`t mean that Fury could also. Thats just the Fury fan default assumption unfortunately.

Oh here we go. Absolutely terrible Wilder, lucky to ever win a fight, COULD KO either of those two? You lads have all bases covered, i'll give you that.

He is terrible - give it a few more fights and he’ll be demonstrating the classic chinny puncher routine for you. Geez, I even thought he was making a meal of that Zelenoff fight. Telegraphing everything!

Couldn't drop Charlie either

[Nightmare Roy]

Oh here we go. Absolutely terrible Wilder, lucky to ever win a fight, COULD KO either of those two? You lads have all bases covered, i'll give you that.

He is terrible - give it a few more fights and he’ll be demonstrating the classic chinny puncher routine for you. Geez, I even thought he was making a meal of that Zelenoff fight. Telegraphing everything!

Couldn't drop Charlie either

To be fair he's unbeaten in 400