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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 08:59
by kikibalt
I love this kind of stories

I think Randy will be able to relate in part to this story

Still smitten with California


A WWII vet who came to L.A. to work in the defense industry continues to sing the praises of the state and the city despite dramatic changes and hard times.
By Hector Tobar

December 31, 2010

Kenneth Larson's California life began when he opened the pages of a Los Angeles newspaper.

It was 1953, and Larson was a war veteran and former POW living in Spokane, Wash. In a local public library, the rather hefty Sunday L.A. Times caught his eye.

The classified section offered up "page after page of want ads" for jobs in the aerospace industry, Larson remembered. America was tooling up for the Cold War, and California's job market was brimming over thanks to the powerful stimulus of military spending.

"There is a place for YOU on America's first line of defense at Northrop," declares an ad for that company's Hawthorne plant, listing 851 open positions in the May 31, 1953, edition of The Times.

"Douglas El Segundo and its Torrance location needs unskilled and skilled men to be trained with full pay," says another. "No Experience Required."

So Larson left Spokane on a Greyhound bus. When he got here, he stayed at a brother's house in Compton — then a mostly white community — and very quickly found a job as an illustrator "with the Douglas plant out by the international airport."

"You could say that I reinvented myself here with thousands of other Americans," he told me.

Those abundant times are a distant memory. The monthly California unemployment figures remind us of this sad truth, as do the census figures released last week. Back in the 1950s, California was growing four to five times faster than the rest of the country. Now we're puttering along at the national average.

California is no longer the new thing. Some people are ready to give up on the Golden State, but not Larson. He's 85 now and still lives in the heart of L.A., in a corner of the city tucked between Koreatown and Silver Lake. Tagalog, Korean and Spanish are among the many languages spoken in the surrounding streets.

"We have a Filipino family across the street, and every year they put up a marvelous Christmas display," he told me. Today, he wouldn't live anywhere else.

"I guess we were meant to stay here," Larson said of himself and his wife, Carol, a retired librarian. "We could have left, but we didn't."

Yes, California is an older place now. And we have many of the problems of the middle-aged, including big debts and a creaky and much abused body politic.

But it doesn't make sense to lament California's lost greatness — our state was healthier back then simply because it was younger. And you can only be young once.

Kenneth Larson has stuck with L.A. through good times and bad. And, in its way, L.A. has stuck with him.

Over the years, he's faithfully written to The Times, and has had 70 letters to the editor published, most since he retired in 1983. Often his missives celebrate what a great place California was and still is.

He's praised the renovation of Pershing Square and described the joys of a concert at the Hollywood Bowl. He's remembered Bing Crosby, a Spokane native like him, who drove to L.A. in an old Ford Tin Lizzie. And he's told Times readers about his stay at Montecito's Miramar Hotel in 1945 to recuperate after coming back from World War II.

"What a great hotel — midnight snacks, buffet-type dining tables, stocked refrigerators, swimming pool, ocean beaches and nearby Santa Barbara and Los Angeles," he wrote in a 2000 letter to The Times.

In some of those letters, and his e-mails to me, he's revealed a bit about the most traumatic event in his life — his experience as a teenage soldier in the U.S. Army.

Larson was shot and captured by the Germans during the Battle of the Bulge. As a POW, he endured bombings and hunger. German doctors once linked him with tubes to a fellow prisoner for a transfusion, and then operated on that soldier without anesthetic — his screams haunt Larson to this day.

But one morning the Germans suddenly switched on the prison camp's loudspeaker — to Bing Crosby singing "Blue Skies." "I knew then I could make it through to the end of the war," he wrote in a 1994 letter to The Times.

When Larson resettled in L.A., he still hadn't quite shaken those World War II memories. After getting that job at Douglas, he fought a long battle with addiction to alcohol that eventually led him to be homeless for several years, he said.

"Among the 'lost souls' that I met and knew in slums and missions were a former All-American football star, a former U.S. Navy officer pilot … and the younger brother of a celebrated American movie star," he wrote in a 1989 letter to The Times.

"It's a wonder I didn't give up and become a lost alcoholic," he continued. "But through the love of the woman I later married and a strong trust in God, I found myself."

He met Carol at the Los Angeles Central Library, near the old card catalogs. "I asked her out to Clifton's Cafeteria on a date," he told me.

They moved into an apartment just off Wilshire Boulevard, near the since demolished Ambassador Hotel. Larson took a job with the State Lands Commission, worked there for many years and retired. Then came the L.A. riots.

On April 30, 1992, he and Carol watched some of their neighbors carrying looted goods back to their homes, Larson told me. It seemed time to leave.

"I went to northern Arizona to look at places to move," he said. But none had the charm and excitement of L.A.

Instead, Kenneth and Carol ended up moving to a little duplex a mile or so north. Today, various city and state programs help him get by.

Larson, who doesn't drive anymore, relies on a city program that subsidizes taxi rides for seniors. "Sometimes I get a driver who doesn't speak English so well," he told me. "But the immigrants try to learn basic English as soon as they can."

And he's still writing about the city around him, about the new and old.

"Like the Phoenix — the legendary bird that according to legend rose alive from the ashes — the colorful new Robert F. Kennedy Community Schools complex … is a sight to see," he wrote about the facility on the site of the old Ambassador Hotel.

Kenneth Larson has never lost his love for California. It's a state that gave him work and love, and an adopted hometown called L.A., where even in lean times there are still many things to admire and remember.

[email protected]

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 11:55
by Expug
Randyman wrote:Brian and Rick, here's one that you guys might like.

You're Gonna Miss This - Trace Adkins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIBediEAcUQ

Randy
Yep,Randy.I like that tune a lot.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 12:31
by Rick Farris
Frank, I enjoyed that article on California.
I remember Southern Cal so much different before the 60's.
I remember when half the San Fernando Valley was undeveloped, or ranch property.
People were more relaxed, friendly.
The freeways were clear, and would slow down between 7-9am, and 4-6pm, during the work rush.
Now we are overcrowded with people from around the world.
Today people are rude, out-of-control, and no longer know their neighbors.
There are no jobs, but lots of people struggling on extended unemployment benefits.
What was once the perfect place to live, has some major challenges today.
Still, I am an L.A. guy and I'll stay here. My business is still here, although not what it once was, either.
I live within a block of one of the busiest intersections in the world.
You'd never know it from my quiet street, which still has a village like atmosphere, but if you walk around the corner, your in the belly of the beast.
Nice area, just too many people passing thru, trying to cut their commute by slipping thru Laurel Canyon to get to Hollywood, West L.A.?
There is a feeling of desperation in L.A. today.
And to think there was a time when people considered Southern Cal to be "Laid Back". NOT! :shame:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 12:48
by Rick Farris
Frank, I'll likely be going to Don's party alone.
Monica is really sick, possibly bronchitus, definitly a bad cold.
I hope you are feeling better.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 13:20
by Expug
Whats the weather like in L.A. guys? We are there tomorrow.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 13:31
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:Frank, I'll likely be going to Don's party alone.
Monica is really sick, possibly bronchitus, definitly a bad cold.
I hope you are feeling better.
I still don't know if I'm going to make it, I sure hope so, so I can give Don a hard time.... :lol: :OhYes:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 13:34
by kikibalt
Expug wrote:Whats the weather like in L.A. guys? We are there tomorrow.
Cold, for us anyway. I'm about 20 miles east of downtown and right now at 9:33 AM its 44'F

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 13:45
by Rick Farris
Expug wrote:Whats the weather like in L.A. guys? We are there tomorrow.

Brian, I wish we could get together when you are in town this weekend, but there is too much going on.
I hope the Hawks win. I was just looking over the photos that Monica took at the game a few weeks back. That was a good time!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 13:47
by THEHAMMER321
Get the coffee ready. :OhYes:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 13:54
by kikibalt
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Get the coffee ready. :OhYes:
Shit Paul, I drank it 'bout 7 hours ago, where you been?? :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 13:56
by THEHAMMER321
kikibalt wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Get the coffee ready. :OhYes:
Shit Paul, I drank it 'bout 7 hours ago, where you been?? :lol:
Sleeping my life away. :lol: :OhYes:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 14:10
by THEHAMMER321
Las Vegas and New Years, up until I was about 20 years old I used to like to go downtown on New Years eve, I liked all the excitement and of course I was trying to score with the girls, but since I got married over 20 years ago I haven't been out on New Years eve one time, now I hate the crowds, boy have times changed.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 14:56
by Randyman
kikibalt wrote:I love this kind of stories

I think Randy will be able to relate in part to this story

Still smitten with California


A WWII vet who came to L.A. to work in the defense industry continues to sing the praises of the state and the city despite dramatic changes and hard times.
By Hector Tobar

December 31, 2010

Kenneth Larson's California life began when he opened the pages of a Los Angeles newspaper.

It was 1953, and Larson was a war veteran and former POW living in Spokane, Wash. In a local public library, the rather hefty Sunday L.A. Times caught his eye.

The classified section offered up "page after page of want ads" for jobs in the aerospace industry, Larson remembered. America was tooling up for the Cold War, and California's job market was brimming over thanks to the powerful stimulus of military spending.

"There is a place for YOU on America's first line of defense at Northrop," declares an ad for that company's Hawthorne plant, listing 851 open positions in the May 31, 1953, edition of The Times.

"Douglas El Segundo and its Torrance location needs unskilled and skilled men to be trained with full pay," says another. "No Experience Required."

So Larson left Spokane on a Greyhound bus. When he got here, he stayed at a brother's house in Compton — then a mostly white community — and very quickly found a job as an illustrator "with the Douglas plant out by the international airport."

"You could say that I reinvented myself here with thousands of other Americans," he told me.

Those abundant times are a distant memory. The monthly California unemployment figures remind us of this sad truth, as do the census figures released last week. Back in the 1950s, California was growing four to five times faster than the rest of the country. Now we're puttering along at the national average.

California is no longer the new thing. Some people are ready to give up on the Golden State, but not Larson. He's 85 now and still lives in the heart of L.A., in a corner of the city tucked between Koreatown and Silver Lake. Tagalog, Korean and Spanish are among the many languages spoken in the surrounding streets.

"We have a Filipino family across the street, and every year they put up a marvelous Christmas display," he told me. Today, he wouldn't live anywhere else.

"I guess we were meant to stay here," Larson said of himself and his wife, Carol, a retired librarian. "We could have left, but we didn't."

Yes, California is an older place now. And we have many of the problems of the middle-aged, including big debts and a creaky and much abused body politic.

But it doesn't make sense to lament California's lost greatness — our state was healthier back then simply because it was younger. And you can only be young once.

Kenneth Larson has stuck with L.A. through good times and bad. And, in its way, L.A. has stuck with him.

Over the years, he's faithfully written to The Times, and has had 70 letters to the editor published, most since he retired in 1983. Often his missives celebrate what a great place California was and still is.

He's praised the renovation of Pershing Square and described the joys of a concert at the Hollywood Bowl. He's remembered Bing Crosby, a Spokane native like him, who drove to L.A. in an old Ford Tin Lizzie. And he's told Times readers about his stay at Montecito's Miramar Hotel in 1945 to recuperate after coming back from World War II.

"What a great hotel — midnight snacks, buffet-type dining tables, stocked refrigerators, swimming pool, ocean beaches and nearby Santa Barbara and Los Angeles," he wrote in a 2000 letter to The Times.

In some of those letters, and his e-mails to me, he's revealed a bit about the most traumatic event in his life — his experience as a teenage soldier in the U.S. Army.

Larson was shot and captured by the Germans during the Battle of the Bulge. As a POW, he endured bombings and hunger. German doctors once linked him with tubes to a fellow prisoner for a transfusion, and then operated on that soldier without anesthetic — his screams haunt Larson to this day.

But one morning the Germans suddenly switched on the prison camp's loudspeaker — to Bing Crosby singing "Blue Skies." "I knew then I could make it through to the end of the war," he wrote in a 1994 letter to The Times.

When Larson resettled in L.A., he still hadn't quite shaken those World War II memories. After getting that job at Douglas, he fought a long battle with addiction to alcohol that eventually led him to be homeless for several years, he said.

"Among the 'lost souls' that I met and knew in slums and missions were a former All-American football star, a former U.S. Navy officer pilot … and the younger brother of a celebrated American movie star," he wrote in a 1989 letter to The Times.

"It's a wonder I didn't give up and become a lost alcoholic," he continued. "But through the love of the woman I later married and a strong trust in God, I found myself."

He met Carol at the Los Angeles Central Library, near the old card catalogs. "I asked her out to Clifton's Cafeteria on a date," he told me.

They moved into an apartment just off Wilshire Boulevard, near the since demolished Ambassador Hotel. Larson took a job with the State Lands Commission, worked there for many years and retired. Then came the L.A. riots.

On April 30, 1992, he and Carol watched some of their neighbors carrying looted goods back to their homes, Larson told me. It seemed time to leave.

"I went to northern Arizona to look at places to move," he said. But none had the charm and excitement of L.A.

Instead, Kenneth and Carol ended up moving to a little duplex a mile or so north. Today, various city and state programs help him get by.

Larson, who doesn't drive anymore, relies on a city program that subsidizes taxi rides for seniors. "Sometimes I get a driver who doesn't speak English so well," he told me. "But the immigrants try to learn basic English as soon as they can."

And he's still writing about the city around him, about the new and old.

"Like the Phoenix — the legendary bird that according to legend rose alive from the ashes — the colorful new Robert F. Kennedy Community Schools complex … is a sight to see," he wrote about the facility on the site of the old Ambassador Hotel.

Kenneth Larson has never lost his love for California. It's a state that gave him work and love, and an adopted hometown called L.A., where even in lean times there are still many things to admire and remember.

[email protected]
Thanks for posting this article Frank. I enjoyed reading it, especially the part about Douglas Aircraft. I remember the way it was here in California back in the day. Lots of good memories.

Like the movie industry, the Aerospace industry here in California has slowly moved out of California. In fact, it's going through it's death throes as we speak. These types of jobs are becoming obsolete and not just in California.

The people here are different now, not everyone but enough so that it's noticeable. Still, I think California can bounce back, at least that's my hope.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 14:59
by Randyman
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Las Vegas and New Years, up until I was about 20 years old I used to like to go downtown on New Years eve, I liked all the excitement and of course I was trying to score with the girls, but since I got married over 20 years ago I haven't been out on New Years eve one time, now I hate the crowds, boy have times changed.
I'm the same way Paulie, I don't like crowds anymore either. There is no way I could go to the Rose Parade, spend the night and deal with thousands of people on new years, no way, no how. The older I get the more I like staying home.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 15:06
by Randyman
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Get the coffee ready. :OhYes:
Shit Paul, I drank it 'bout 7 hours ago, where you been?? :lol:
Sleeping my life away. :lol: :OhYes:
I got up late today. I'm on my second cup right now. I mentioned several weeks ago that we bought a regular coffee pot. About a half hour ago Jeri was pouring herself a cup of coffee when the little glass piece on the lid fell off. It just disappeared. I have looked everywhere, under the stove, the refrigerator and just about everywhere else I can think of. It's like it just dropped off into a black hole, the Twilight Zone maybe. She can't make another pot until we find it. :witzend:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 15:14
by kikibalt
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Las Vegas and New Years, up until I was about 20 years old I used to like to go downtown on New Years eve, I liked all the excitement and of course I was trying to score with the girls, but since I got married over 20 years ago I haven't been out on New Years eve one time, now I hate the crowds, boy have times changed.
The times don't change, its we that change, as we get older we get more mellow, its part of the aging process. Guys my age remember when our parents hated Rock and Roll now us old folks, most of us anyway; hate Hip Hop or what ever its call.... :OhYes:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 15:15
by Randyman
Expug wrote:Whats the weather like in L.A. guys? We are there tomorrow.
It's cool and crisp but I hesitate to tell a guy from Chicago that it's cold here. :oops: I have a friend from Centralia, Illinois that has lived here for years (he recently moved back). I can be freezing my ass off and he still just wears a teeshirt. In the rain, he might wear two teeshirts. Another friend from Minnesota is the same way.

Tomorrow should be sunny and relatively warm at 6o degrees.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 15:16
by kikibalt
Randyman wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
kikibalt wrote: Shit Paul, I drank it 'bout 7 hours ago, where you been?? :lol:
Sleeping my life away. :lol: :OhYes:
I got up late today. I'm on my second cup right now. I mentioned several weeks ago that we bought a regular coffee pot. About a half hour ago Jeri was pouring herself a cup of coffee when the little glass piece on the lid fell off. It just disappeared. I have looked everywhere, under the stove, the refrigerator and just about everywhere else I can think of. It's like it just dropped off into a black hole, the Twilight Zone maybe. She can't make another pot until we find it. :witzend:
Or have to go buy another coffee pot..... :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 15:21
by Randyman
kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote: Sleeping my life away. :lol: :OhYes:
I got up late today. I'm on my second cup right now. I mentioned several weeks ago that we bought a regular coffee pot. About a half hour ago Jeri was pouring herself a cup of coffee when the little glass piece on the lid fell off. It just disappeared. I have looked everywhere, under the stove, the refrigerator and just about everywhere else I can think of. It's like it just dropped off into a black hole, the Twilight Zone maybe. She can't make another pot until we find it. :witzend:
Or have to go buy another coffee pot..... :lol:
:oops: :witzend: :KO:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 16:04
by kikibalt
Southern California deals with frosty conditions
December 31, 2010

Winds are dying down, but Southern California was dealing with another brand of exteme weather on Friday: Frost.

The National Weather Service issued a frost advisory for some parts of the region. Black ice was reported on some roadways including Interstate 5 in the Grapevine and Interstate 210 in Crescenta Valley.

Temperatures dropped into the 20s in some areas, and officials said outdoor plants were at risk if they were not covered.

L.A. will see sunny skies Friday with highs in the 50s. Low will drop into the 30s in some valley locations.

Another rainstorm is predicted for the weekend.

-- Shelby Grad

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 16:21
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote: Sleeping my life away. :lol: :OhYes:
I got up late today. I'm on my second cup right now. I mentioned several weeks ago that we bought a regular coffee pot. About a half hour ago Jeri was pouring herself a cup of coffee when the little glass piece on the lid fell off. It just disappeared. I have looked everywhere, under the stove, the refrigerator and just about everywhere else I can think of. It's like it just dropped off into a black hole, the Twilight Zone maybe. She can't make another pot until we find it. :witzend:
Or have to go buy another coffee pot..... :lol:
No Coffee? :oo

Randy, did you throw away the Mr. Coffee maker?
Maybe it can make a comeback, be a hero?
I bet a cup of coffee would taste real good right now?
I'm going to shake hands with my Mr. Coffee in a couple of minutes. :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 16:32
by Randyman
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote: I got up late today. I'm on my second cup right now. I mentioned several weeks ago that we bought a regular coffee pot. About a half hour ago Jeri was pouring herself a cup of coffee when the little glass piece on the lid fell off. It just disappeared. I have looked everywhere, under the stove, the refrigerator and just about everywhere else I can think of. It's like it just dropped off into a black hole, the Twilight Zone maybe. She can't make another pot until we find it. :witzend:
Or have to go buy another coffee pot..... :lol:
No Coffee? :oo

Randy, did you throw away the Mr. Coffee maker?
Maybe it can make a comeback, be a hero?
I bet a cup of coffee would taste real good right now?
I'm going to shake hands with my Mr. Coffee in a couple of minutes. :lol:
Yes, I threw it away. It was on it's last leg so I dumped it.

I just went through every inch of the kitchen, wash room and living room, taking into account that it may have rolled into some corner. I'm baffled. We're on our way to get another one. Another one of life's many little mysteries. :witzend:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 16:55
by THEHAMMER321
kikibalt wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Las Vegas and New Years, up until I was about 20 years old I used to like to go downtown on New Years eve, I liked all the excitement and of course I was trying to score with the girls, but since I got married over 20 years ago I haven't been out on New Years eve one time, now I hate the crowds, boy have times changed.
The times don't change, its we that change, as we get older we get more mellow, its part of the aging process. Guys my age remember when our parents hated Rock and Roll now us old folks, most of us anyway; hate Hip Hop or what ever its call.... :OhYes:
That reminds me of a joke someone told me not long ago,
there are two guys on death row, the warden asks them what are your wishes before we execute you, the first one says can we listen to rap music, the warden replies hold on till I hear the next guys wishes, the next guys wishes are ''please execute me first ! '' :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 17:04
by kikibalt
Randyman wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote: Or have to go buy another coffee pot..... :lol:
No Coffee? :oo

Randy, did you throw away the Mr. Coffee maker?
Maybe it can make a comeback, be a hero?
I bet a cup of coffee would taste real good right now?
I'm going to shake hands with my Mr. Coffee in a couple of minutes. :lol:
Yes, I threw it away. It was on it's last leg so I dumped it.

I just went through every inch of the kitchen, wash room and living room, taking into account that it may have rolled into some corner. I'm baffled. We're on our way to get another one. Another one of life's many little mysteries. :witzend:
The caper of the missing glass piece..... :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 18:05
by Expug
Randyman wrote:
Expug wrote:Whats the weather like in L.A. guys? We are there tomorrow.
It's cool and crisp but I hesitate to tell a guy from Chicago that it's cold here. :oops: I have a friend from Centralia, Illinois that has lived here for years (he recently moved back). I can be freezing my ass off and he still just wears a teeshirt. In the rain, he might wear two teeshirts. Another friend from Minnesota is the same way.

Tomorrow should be sunny and relatively warm at 6o degrees.
Its all relative I guess Randy. A couple days before I saw you guys in L.A.,We were in Edmonton Canada. We got off the plane and it was like getting hit in the face with a concrete pie. Holy smokes was it COLD!