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Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:It will be 83 degrees in L.A. today. Beautiful day.

Good morning, Frank.
I'm not computor literate and I can't find a file that has some WBHOF photos of Carlos Ortiz.
Monica rearranged all of the folders, files, etc. and now I can't find anything.

Get Don Fraser to help you... . Don doesn't even know how turn a computer on....

kikibalt wrote:Photo and caption by Rick Farris


WBHOF Bronze sculpter Steven Harpst, Carlos Ortiz, Rick Farris and John Bardelli

From 2008 WBHOF President's Dinner

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Photo and caption by Rick Farris


WBHOF Bronze sculpter Steven Harpst, Carlos Ortiz, Rick Farris and John Bardelli

From 2008 WBHOF President's Dinner

Classic!!

Memories from CAWCB . . .

I went back to the beginning of this thread and randomly moved forward thru the pages and I have to say that there is a lot of boxing treasure here.

Next Saturday will mark the third anniversary of Classic American West Coast Boxing.
The originator of this thread, Brian Higgins (ExPug), will be on hand at this year's California Boxing Hall of Fame to represent Fritizie Zivic at the latter's induction.

Carlos Ortiz vs. Battling Torres . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzgYHML5rbo

Memorial Coliseum, Los Angeles, California, United States 2/4/1960

Carlos Ortiz W Battling Torres KO 10 15
Jose Becerra W Alphonse Halimi KO 9 15
Ray Salazar L Jose Luis Cruz PTS 6 6
Billy Collins L George Green PTS 4 4

When talent was common . . .

Reviewing videos of Carlos Ortiz reminds me of why some of us are unhappy with boxing today.
Such a talented boxer/puncher. Manny Pacquiao is a brilliant fighter, but he would look a lot more average if guys like Carlos Ortiz were around.

Good morning everybody, just woke up gotta have a cup of coffee to get my wheels turning.

Watching UCLA's football great Woody Strode in "Pork Chop Hill" brought back memories of seeing Strode walk into Bradly's, A nite club on Whittier Bl. on the Eastside, where I used to hang in the late '50's-early-60's, madder then hell looking for his wife, Luana....

Former L.A. heavyweight Abel Fernanedz also has a part in Pork Chop Hill....

Was thinking about all the fights I bet on through the years, I generally bet the underdog or I don't bet, Bobby Chacon vs Boza Edwards II, I bet Bobby here a 3 to 1 underdog and he gets the win in one of the best fights ever, Edwin Rosario vs Howard Davis, I took Howard here as a 4 to 1 underdog in Puerto Rico, he gets knocked down in the last round and loses the decision, Tony Baltazar vs Roger Mayweather I bet Tony here as a 2 to 1 underdog, i got +160 for $400 got back $1040 when Tony won the decision, Mike Tyson vs Carl '' The truth'' Williams took underdog Williams at 25 to 1 and Carl gets KOed in the 1st but really was just 1 fight away as Tyson gets koed by Douglas in his very next fight a 40 to 1 underdog and I had no bet,honestly after losing betting on Williams the previous fight didn't feel like ''throwing away money'', on Douglas, I wish I had.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Was thinking about all the fights I bet on through the years, I generally bet the underdog or I don't bet, Bobby Chacon vs Boza Edwards II, I bet Bobby here a 3 to 1 underdog and he gets the win in one of the best fights ever, Edwin Rosario vs Howard Davis, I took Howard here as a 4 to 1 underdog in Puerto Rico, he gets knocked down in the last round and loses the decision, Tony Baltazar vs Roger Mayweather I bet Tony here as a 2 to 1 underdog, i got +160 for $400 got back $1040 when Tony won the decision, Mike Tyson vs Carl '' The truth'' Williams took underdog Williams at 25 to 1 and Carl gets KOed in the 1st but really was just 1 fight away as Tyson gets koed by Douglas in his very next fight a 40 to 1 underdog and I had no bet,honestly after losing betting on Williams the previous fight didn't feel like ''throwing away money'', on Douglas, I wish I had.

Beating the Odds . . .

I don't bet often, only when I feel pretty good about a heavy underdog.
The two Duran bets I made at 3-1 (I got +250 on both) were the best I can remember winning.
Here is what I did with the cash I won on Duran vs. Barkley. I made a $2500. profit and parlayed it on Tyson vs. Bruno the following week.
I had no doubt that Tyson would KO Bruno, but took the under which was 4 rounds or less at even money.
Now this is Tyson's first fight in months, since his 91 second KO of Spinks. I expected him to be rusty, but I never expected a soft-chin like Bruno to answer the bell for round five. I considered putting another hundred on Tyson, in one round or less at +1500, but passed.
Tyson floors Bruno in the first twenty seconds and I'm wishing I'd have put the $100 on a 1st rd. KO.
However, Bruno rises as one might expect from a game Brit. Suddenly Tyson starts missing punches. And Bruno starts to land.
By the third round I'm getting a little nervous. When Bruno stood to answer the bell for round five, I knew I was leaving Las Vegas with the same amount I came with the previous week when I bet Duran. I covered my outlay, and bet the rest.
It was fun for about a week.

Paul, like you I thought the same thing about the Tyson-Douglas match. I was actually living at a resort hotel-casino while on location in San Domingo, Dominican Republic. They had a Sports Book, I had the money to bet, but why would anybody be so dumb as to put cash on Buster Douglas?

Betting at the Olympic, did they have a bookie you could bet with or did people just bet with each other ?.

Anybody here ever go to the UCLA games during the Lew Alcinder or Bill Walton era ?.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Betting at the Olympic, did they have a bookie you could bet with or did people just bet with each other ?.

I honsetly have no idea. However, I know those guys were around.
And there was a lot of ringside wagering, especially on a major fight.
In those days we had competitive fights, so there was plenty of action.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Anybody here ever go to the UCLA games during the Lew Alcinder or Bill Walton era ?.

I watched a few games on TV when Alcinder was playing, but I never went to Pauley Pavilian for a game.
Walton and I had a mutual friend but I never met him. I saw him at a party once, and on TV a few times.

It's half-time and the Ravens are spanking Pittsburgh, 21-7.

Rick Farris wrote:It's half-time and the Ravens are spanking Pittsburgh, 21-7.

Ravens looked good up until half time, but in the 3rd quarter how many Ravens bettors smashed there T.V sets.

Haven't seen Tom Ray on here in about 2 weeks, hope everything is ok with him.

Panzerfaust wrote:

Congratulations Remy, to you and your wife. What a great thing! Life will never be the same again.

Randy

Rick Farris wrote:

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Betting at the Olympic, did they have a bookie you could bet with or did people just bet with each other ?.

I honsetly have no idea. However, I know those guys were around.
And there was a lot of ringside wagering, especially on a major fight.
In those days we had competitive fights, so there was plenty of action.

Rick, there was a section at the Olympic that was unofficially reserved for gamblers. There was a lot of ringside gambling but I don't recall any bookie, of course I was never a gambler so even if there was I probably wouldn't know about it.I know Benny Georgino was the odds maker for boxing on the west coast, according to Mel Epstein. He would be the guy to know.

Randy

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:It's half-time and the Ravens are spanking Pittsburgh, 21-7.

Pitt won!!

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Was thinking about all the fights I bet on through the years, I generally bet the underdog or I don't bet, Bobby Chacon vs Boza Edwards II, I bet Bobby here a 3 to 1 underdog and he gets the win in one of the best fights ever, Edwin Rosario vs Howard Davis, I took Howard here as a 4 to 1 underdog in Puerto Rico, he gets knocked down in the last round and loses the decision, Tony Baltazar vs Roger Mayweather I bet Tony here as a 2 to 1 underdog, i got +160 for $400 got back $1040 when Tony won the decision, Mike Tyson vs Carl '' The truth'' Williams took underdog Williams at 25 to 1 and Carl gets KOed in the 1st but really was just 1 fight away as Tyson gets koed by Douglas in his very next fight a 40 to 1 underdog and I had no bet,honestly after losing betting on Williams the previous fight didn't feel like ''throwing away money'', on Douglas, I wish I had.

As I mentioned, I'm not much of a gambler. Most of my betting was done at work without the benefit of odds. I lost $500.00 on the second Duran-Leonard fight. Who would've thought?
I lost another $500.00 dollars on the Tyson-Spinks fight. I thought then, and I still believe it was a reasonable thought, that Spinks had the goods to beat Tyson. Tony Tucker had some good moments against Mike Tyson, especially with the uppercut, he just couldn't sustain it. I thought Spinks would be able to out box Tyson and sneak the uppercut in. It was a reasonable assumption. Tyson was not a big heavyweight, so I thought Spinks had a good chance. You can't predict what a fighter will do in the ring.

A couple of years later when Tyson fought Buster Douglas I decided not to bet. I should have bet the house on Douglas but who knew?

Rick Farris wrote:When talent was common . . .

Reviewing videos of Carlos Ortiz reminds me of why some of us are unhappy with boxing today.
Such a talented boxer/puncher. Manny Pacquiao is a brilliant fighter, but he would look a lot more average if guys like Carlos Ortiz were around.

Agreed!!

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Photo and caption by Rick Farris


WBHOF Bronze sculpter Steven Harpst, Carlos Ortiz, Rick Farris and John Bardelli

From 2008 WBHOF President's Dinner

World Boxing Hall of Fame 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av6c8sVK6no

kikibalt wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:It's half-time and the Ravens are spanking Pittsburgh, 21-7.

Pitt won!!

I'm probably the only guy in the country that doesn't follow football.