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superpunchout wrote:

DG. wrote:Bottom line isn- if Hatton fought Witter all those uyears ago there would be no big pay days and the humilating knock out (Headbutting the ring post against PBF and Sleeping for 5 minutes agaisnt Pacman)against PBF and Pacman.


Haton knew it - his team knew it.

Mininmum risk and most money until you hit the big time and get exposed as a limited slugger!


Hatton Vs Witter 2009 - both past it and the gloss has gone from both.

But surely if team Hatton felt that way about Witter ( in that a potential loss would seriously jepordize both his earning potential and public profile) then it wasn't it a brilliant move not to take the fight?

Okay so most of the public now know that Hatton isn't an elite fighter, but he's made so much money en route to demonstrating this fact that he could live off the interest without ever denting the capital.

Retrospectively, wouldn't it have been foolhardy to risk throwing that all away just to appease a minority of critics? Especially as he was (as I'm sure you'll agree) in possession of natural ability that was of a distinctly finite quantity.

Personally I have a lot of respect for Ricky Hatton because he didn't foolishly offer his head to the chopping block at a point where a setback could have done irreparable damage to his future prospects.

It's a good point you make.

The thing I have a problem with though, is people saying Hatton never ducked Witter. You even accept he did, and commend him for it.

o.k,he ducked witter,we all know that.and did very well out of it.now come on lads,this has been going on far too long.its over...

superpunchout wrote:

DG. wrote:Bottom line isn- if Hatton fought Witter all those uyears ago there would be no big pay days and the humilating knock out (Headbutting the ring post against PBF and Sleeping for 5 minutes agaisnt Pacman)against PBF and Pacman.


Haton knew it - his team knew it.

Mininmum risk and most money until you hit the big time and get exposed as a limited slugger!


Hatton Vs Witter 2009 - both past it and the gloss has gone from both.

But surely if team Hatton felt that way about Witter ( in that a potential loss would seriously jepordize both his earning potential and public profile) then it wasn't it a brilliant move not to take the fight?


Retrospectively, wouldn't it have been foolhardy to risk throwing that all away just to appease a minority of critics? Especially as he was (as I'm sure you'll agree) in possession of natural ability that was of a distinctly finite quantity.

Its the bullshit excuses. Hatton should admit Witter would clean his clock and not con the public.

How many bullshit excuses did he make?

DG. wrote:

superpunchout wrote:

DG. wrote:Bottom line isn- if Hatton fought Witter all those uyears ago there would be no big pay days and the humilating knock out (Headbutting the ring post against PBF and Sleeping for 5 minutes agaisnt Pacman)against PBF and Pacman.


Haton knew it - his team knew it.

Mininmum risk and most money until you hit the big time and get exposed as a limited slugger!


Hatton Vs Witter 2009 - both past it and the gloss has gone from both.

But surely if team Hatton felt that way about Witter ( in that a potential loss would seriously jepordize both his earning potential and public profile) then it wasn't it a brilliant move not to take the fight?


Retrospectively, wouldn't it have been foolhardy to risk throwing that all away just to appease a minority of critics? Especially as he was (as I'm sure you'll agree) in possession of natural ability that was of a distinctly finite quantity.

Its the bullshit excuses. Hatton should admit Witter would clean his clock and not con the public.

How many bullshit excuses did he make?

i think if the quitter tried cleaning anyones clock hed pack in halfway through claiming a bad arm!

Listen, I'm not going to get into all this long standing Hatton-Witter bolloc*s.

But I'll tell you right now - if you don't consider both Hatton and Calzaghe as all-time great British boxers (say top 30), then I simply don't know what you're looking at.

You can slag them off all you like (with some merit on occasions) but their achievements - even if it's one or two fights - puts them up there.

@ DG

I see this as an eqivalent to study buddies. One brings all the study equipment, all the notes, provides accomodation and food and the other just turns up without having done any work hoping to work off his buddie and having a good chance of getting a higher mark in the test.

Now that doesnt seem very fair now does it

lefthook82 wrote:@ DG

I see this as an eqivalent to study buddies. One brings all the study equipment, all the notes, provides accomodation and food and the other just turns up without having done any work hoping to work off his buddie and having a good chance of getting a higher mark in the test.

Now that doesnt seem very fair now does it

But Witter did his work.

British Commonwealth European and World Champion.

What did Hatton do?

1) Get a lot of Farnell fans
2) WBU Belt
3) Beat an old KT

From day 1 Hatton has been on the run, this version of Witter beats this version of Hatton.

Ricky wuld get hurt and I don't want to see this anymore, but Haton is my book is no legend.

Hatton is what is wrong with this Sport.

You get the opportuninties not based on skill but how many tickets you sell.

Remember 2 prime smaller guys knocked him out - battered him like a piece of fish, he hardly landed a punch.

I hope Witter come back and at least wins the European and makes a few defences.

Witter and Vanzie - both shafted by boxing politics imo - what is it with Bradford?

DG. wrote:

lefthook82 wrote:@ DG

I see this as an eqivalent to study buddies. One brings all the study equipment, all the notes, provides accomodation and food and the other just turns up without having done any work hoping to work off his buddie and having a good chance of getting a higher mark in the test.

Now that doesnt seem very fair now does it

But Witter did his work.

British Commonwealth European and World Champion.

What did Hatton do?

1) Get a lot of Farnell fans
2) WBU Belt
3) Beat an old KT

From day 1 Hatton has been on the run, this version of Witter beats this version of Hatton.

Ricky wuld get hurt and I don't want to see this anymore, but Haton is my book is no legend.

Hatton is what is wrong with this Sport.

You get the opportuninties not based on skill but how many tickets you sell.

Remember 2 prime smaller guys knocked him out - battered him like a piece of fish, he hardly landed a punch.

I hope Witter come back and at least wins the European and makes a few defences.

Witter and Vanzie - both shafted by boxing politics imo - what is it with Bradford?

i think it was romanov,bradley and alexander,not the good people of bradford(who never exactly bought tickets to watch these two in the way they did to see frank "the terminator" grant

DG. wrote:

superpunchout wrote:

DG. wrote:Bottom line isn- if Hatton fought Witter all those uyears ago there would be no big pay days and the humilating knock out (Headbutting the ring post against PBF and Sleeping for 5 minutes agaisnt Pacman)against PBF and Pacman.


Haton knew it - his team knew it.

Mininmum risk and most money until you hit the big time and get exposed as a limited slugger!


Hatton Vs Witter 2009 - both past it and the gloss has gone from both.

But surely if team Hatton felt that way about Witter ( in that a potential loss would seriously jepordize both his earning potential and public profile) then it wasn't it a brilliant move not to take the fight?


Retrospectively, wouldn't it have been foolhardy to risk throwing that all away just to appease a minority of critics? Especially as he was (as I'm sure you'll agree) in possession of natural ability that was of a distinctly finite quantity.

Its the bullshit excuses. Hatton should admit Witter would clean his clock and not con the public.

How many bullshit excuses did he make?

Probably too many but come on DG, you probably know better than I do that even if Hatton believed in his heart of hearts that Witter would "clean his clock" it would've been PR suicide (not to mention virtually unheard in an active fighter of marquee distinction) for to him to admit as much.

After the way Junior first lost his title and then performed against a novice last time out....talk of him being able to clean anyone's clock has to be taken with a massive pinch of salt.

Junior is a potshotter who likes/needs to control a fights tempo, he hates having to fight at any kind of pace. He cannot fight on the inside atall. Hatton would have forced a pace and stayed on Witter's chest.

Junior would remain dangerous with his counters but would have found himself outworked and outpaced. With the pride at stake being considerable i think Junior would have hung tough in this one. It'd have likely gone the full route with Hatton taking a UD.

Some folk sadly just hate Hatton with a passion, and want to blast him for taking major paydays against the P4P best around, instead of taking on Witter for massively less corn and msssively less prestige.....nowt so queer as folk

Hatton did duck Junior - I believe that to be common knowledge. But Hatton went onto better things for not fighting him. It's not if he avoided Junior to face bums. Thaxton, Magee, Phillips, Tackie, Zoo, Castillo, Urango, Maussa, Collazo and Malignaggi is a better resume than Melvin, Lauri, Battaglia, Nidou, Kotelnik, Lynes, Corley, Harris and Morua. And in the end, that's what knowledgeable fans look at. If Junior wanted to surpass Hatton then he should've concentrated more on his own career that Hatton's. Then perhaps the fight might've happened. Anyone who says Hatton was "scared" of fighting Junior is a joke. If he was scared of Junior then why did he get into the ring with two of the best fighters of the 21st century? If anything, Hatton was probably aware that a loss to Junior would've been cataclysmic for his own career, and his future £20m+ paysdays.

But let's be honest, Witter was never nothing special in the first place.

i can't believe this thread has gone 14 pages. and yet, I can.

Counter-puncher wrote:i can't believe this thread has gone 14 pages. and yet, I can.

Hatton dodged Witter from Brotish Title stage.

Even now Witter kick his arse.

As for the personn who said 'hate' - I do not hate Hatton - I just don't buy into the bull.

We've criticised Hatton for not fighting Witter and rightly so at times, especially around 2001-2004 but don't forget Junior wanted no part of Eamonn Magee either, all fighters are guilty of it at some point of their careers.

banjo wrote:We've criticised Hatton for not fighting Witter and rightly so at times, especially around 2001-2004 but don't forget Junior wanted no part of Eamonn Magee either, all fighters are guilty of it at some point of their careers.

I think Witter and his people realised that Fwank just wanted Witter bumped off so he turned down the fight.

Hatton just waited 9 years for someone to beat Witter.

The only reason the thread went so long is because some Hatton fans are so blinded that they tried to argue that Hatton didn't duck Witter. The more intelligent and unbiased members have pretty much all agreed that he did, so the thread can end imo.

I know D.G is a bit Witter fan but any no point does Witter beat Hatton, not then and not now.
Witter has been looking for the one punch win for ages now, he's given up boxing and thinks he's a KO artist. He had a little stage when he knocked a few out but now he just looks awful, his timing looks bad and as I've said he keeps looking for the 1 punch KO. Forget it Junior, you're just not that good - not that Hatton is especially good himself but he'll always have the better of you Junior

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Listen, I'm not going to get into all this long standing Hatton-Witter bolloc*s.

But I'll tell you right now - if you don't consider both Hatton and Calzaghe as all-time great British boxers (say top 30), then I simply don't know what you're looking at.

You can slag them off all you like (with some merit on occasions) but their achievements - even if it's one or two fights - puts them up there.

Well said that man.

DG. wrote:

lefthook82 wrote:@ DG

I see this as an eqivalent to study buddies. One brings all the study equipment, all the notes, provides accomodation and food and the other just turns up without having done any work hoping to work off his buddie and having a good chance of getting a higher mark in the test.

Now that doesnt seem very fair now does it

But Witter did his work.

British Commonwealth European and World Champion.

What did Hatton do?

1) Get a lot of Farnell fans
2) WBU Belt
3) Beat an old KT

From day 1 Hatton has been on the run, this version of Witter beats this version of Hatton.

Ricky wuld get hurt and I don't want to see this anymore, but Haton is my book is no legend.

Hatton is what is wrong with this Sport.

You get the opportuninties not based on skill but how many tickets you sell.

Remember 2 prime smaller guys knocked him out - battered him like a piece of fish, he hardly landed a punch.

I hope Witter come back and at least wins the European and makes a few defences.

Witter and Vanzie - both shafted by boxing politics imo - what is it with Bradford?

KT was still way better than ANYONE Witter has beaten.

The two smaller men he lost two, are all time greats, who will undoubtably end up in the top 50p4p of all time.

Hatton did a very good job of avoiding threats. I think Witter/Mitchell/Judah/Corley would all have beaten him. He has never done well against slick fighters. Collazo had him reeling. So while he will go down as a guy who only lost to pac and pbf, it's clear that he was pretty one dimensional and just got to Tszyu at the right time. Vince Phillips beat a prime Tszyu, but we all forget about that. Hatton hasn't got much else to show for himself. Old Castillo? The hug fest against Urango? Nothing to write home about there. He got the hiding of his life both times he stepped up, and the gulf in class was well and truely exposed.

But Junior's best win was Harris, who got beat by Maussa, who Hatton viciously knocked out.

opticald wrote:Hatton did a very good job of avoiding threats. I think Witter/Mitchell/Judah/Corley would all have beaten him. He has never done well against slick fighters. Collazo had him reeling. So while he will go down as a guy who only lost to pac and pbf, it's clear that he was pretty one dimensional and just got to Tszyu at the right time. Vince Phillips beat a prime Tszyu, but we all forget about that. Hatton hasn't got much else to show for himself. Old Castillo? The hug fest against Urango? Nothing to write home about there. He got the hiding of his life both times he stepped up, and the gulf in class was well and truely exposed.

Opticald, if Hatton's victims are "nothing to write home about" then what does that make Witter's opposition (the ones he's managed to beat, that is)?

Dioufy wrote:But Junior's best win was Harris, who got beat by Maussa, who Hatton viciously knocked out.

Hatton knocked him out late after getting cut up like a biitach.

Victor Ortiz knocked out Maussa in 1 round.

Maussa got lucky against Harris and Hatton saw an easy belt.

Dioufy wrote:Opticald, if Hatton's victims are "nothing to write home about" then what does that make Witter's opposition (the ones he's managed to beat, that is)?

Find me 4 prime decent fighters Hatton had fought?

PBF Knocked him out.

Pacman ( they are still counting!!!)

Now lets look at the B/C level fighters.

Collazo and Urango.

Collazo had him beat imo. Urango? Hatton hugged more than any supposedly world class fighter I have ever seen in my life, even John Ruiz covered hs eyes!