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Bennyblanco wrote:So has Gonzalez said why he quit? Was it an injury or did he just not want it anymore?

Would of liked to have seen how it would of panned out to the end of the fight as gonzalez didnt seem to want it after trading in the second?

A Quote from Boxing Scene

"I injured my left wrist. It happened when I landed a punch that connected to the body of Burns. I partially hit his elbow and hurt my hand. I tried to continue, but the pain was too great and I could not use my hand. I didn't know how the fight was being scored on the cards, but I felt that I was dominating him. I didn't feel any of Burns' punches. In addition, most of the punches from Burns hit my gloves or missed," Gonzalez said.

Great win for Burns,wasnt vintage but the most important thing was getting the win and showing plent of heart and showing why he,s one of the toughest champs out there,he didnt really shine technically but he got the W and he moves on,onwards and upwards i had it 88-83 at time of stoppage for Gonzalez
I must say though i was very impressed with Jose Gonzalez,very quick,slippery,uses his long arms well and can pack a punch,he looks a find,i thought he was more of a complete package than Jamie McDonnells opponent Julio Ceja,who relies to much on his power,i thought thats how Gonzalez would be also but nah he,s technically very sound,i do think that whatever people say,his hearts always gonna be called into question because he shouldve continued with 1 hand,a lot lesser fighters than him have had to do it,IMO he could have afforded to lose the last 3 rounds and still won,whether he would have i dont know but surely he must have known it was close,although Burns was starting to maybe get on top last couple rounds,he wasnt giving Jose a real beatdown
all in all Gonzalez is definitly good enough to come again,as long as his opponent doesnt show real resolve

dookus wrote:Much as it pains me to agree with Carlos (a man so objectionable he invites people to come round his house and fight him - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=53902), he is absolutely bang-on here. What are we doing thinking of Ricky as a world champion when he's getting his arse kicked for what may be the 4th or 5th best regarded 'world title' out of the galaxy of poo boxing straps? No wonder our sport has no effing credibility.

Interesting that in that 2006 topic, the poster Phenomenal-Nutrition picks out Manny as a suspected user. This was long before it became popular to do so.

mickey1975 wrote:

dookus wrote:Much as it pains me to agree with Carlos (a man so objectionable he invites people to come round his house and fight him - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=53902), he is absolutely bang-on here. What are we doing thinking of Ricky as a world champion when he's getting his arse kicked for what may be the 4th or 5th best regarded 'world title' out of the galaxy of poo boxing straps? No wonder our sport has no effing credibility.

Interesting that in that 2006 topic, the poster Phenomenal-Nutrition picks out Manny as a suspected user. This was long before it became popular to do so.

Also that a poster disputes RJJ's ped usage

earsjohn wrote:

Bennyblanco wrote:So has Gonzalez said why he quit? Was it an injury or did he just not want it anymore?

Would of liked to have seen how it would of panned out to the end of the fight as gonzalez didnt seem to want it after trading in the second?

A Quote from Boxing Scene

"I injured my left wrist. It happened when I landed a punch that connected to the body of Burns. I partially hit his elbow and hurt my hand. I tried to continue, but the pain was too great and I could not use my hand. I didn't know how the fight was being scored on the cards, but I felt that I was dominating him. I didn't feel any of Burns' punches. In addition, most of the punches from Burns hit my gloves or missed," Gonzalez said.

Cheers

You would of thought for a world title fight he would of ran, grabbed, held, jabbed etc his way to the final bell

Bennyblanco wrote:

earsjohn wrote:

Bennyblanco wrote:So has Gonzalez said why he quit? Was it an injury or did he just not want it anymore?

Would of liked to have seen how it would of panned out to the end of the fight as gonzalez didnt seem to want it after trading in the second?

A Quote from Boxing Scene

"I injured my left wrist. It happened when I landed a punch that connected to the body of Burns. I partially hit his elbow and hurt my hand. I tried to continue, but the pain was too great and I could not use my hand. I didn't know how the fight was being scored on the cards, but I felt that I was dominating him. I didn't feel any of Burns' punches. In addition, most of the punches from Burns hit my gloves or missed," Gonzalez said.

Cheers

You would of thought for a world title fight he would of ran, grabbed, held, jabbed etc his way to the final bell

Don't speak madness man! He was winning clearly what chance did he have!

Final round wrote: Don't speak madness man! He was winning clearly what chance did he have!

So your saying quitting was his only option ???

Bennyblanco wrote:

Final round wrote: Don't speak madness man! He was winning clearly what chance did he have!

So your saying quitting was his only option ???

I was agreeing with you. fornicating crazy he didn't come out, like you say why not try and grab, spoil and fiddle your way through to the end and get to the cards.

Final round wrote:

Bennyblanco wrote:

Final round wrote: Don't speak madness man! He was winning clearly what chance did he have!

So your saying quitting was his only option ???

I was agreeing with you. effing crazy he didn't come out, like you say why not try and grab, spoil and fiddle your way through to the end and get to the cards.

oh got ya :)

Final round wrote:Who chose the opponent, Dean Powell?

It was a mandatory defence. EH said had it gone to purse bids and they had lost the bid, they would not have gone to Puerto Rico but would probably have vacated.

levi billups wrote:

Final round wrote:Who chose the opponent, Dean Powell?

It was a mandatory defence. EH said had it gone to purse bids and they had lost the bid, they would not have gone to Puerto Rico but would probably have vacated.

That's interesting about vacating the belt rather than defending over there. I was jesting about Dean making the fight (opposing camps)

earsjohn wrote:Best way to compare World Champions is to compare reigns at the weight, so here goes...

WBC - Adrien Broner
W Rees RTD 6
W DeMarco TKO 8 (champion)

WBA - Richar Abril
W Bogere UD 12 (vacant)

IBF - Miguel Vasquez
W Gesta UD 12
W Quintero SD 12
W Ammeth Diaz UD 12
W Zappavigna UD 12
W Dominguez UD 12
W Kim UD 12 (Vacant)

WBO - Ricky Burns
W Gonzalez RTD 10
W Mitchell TKO 4
W Moses UD 12
W Katsidis UD 12 (Vacant Interim)

Nothing here suggests Burns is more or less of a paper champ than any of the other contenders. To use the historical prestige of titles (WBC and WBA in particular) is to ignore some of the ridiculous decisions they have made over the years. Based on current champions across all divisions, I don't actually think there is anything between the 4 main bodies.

I brought in 'prestige' to signify that there is a linage that goes back a long time in regards who the true champion is. The Ring Belt is vacant and their last champion was Juan Manuel Marquez, sure, all belts are the same now but it has only been recently that standards have fell so low where the main four bodies are interchangable as regards standards.

As for actual reigns, Brandon Rios had a decent reign right there and Abril took him to a split decision - I wouldn't put money on Burns beating Rios (or Abril.) I wouldn't put money on Burns beating Vasquez whose reign is far superior to the one Burns has and as for Broner - he beat DeMarco who had a better reign than the one Burns has had - up till now, Burns team will bring in some come forward plodder who Ricky can look good against.

So - my point is, there is only one 'world champion' there can only be one king of the 135lbs division - and Burns aint it. His team uses the confusion that exists today to duck and weave out an existence as 'champion' and it stinks.

levi billups wrote:

Final round wrote:Who chose the opponent, Dean Powell?

It was a mandatory defence. EH said had it gone to purse bids and they had lost the bid, they would not have gone to Puerto Rico but would probably have vacated.

Some 'world' 'champion' everyone used to laugh at Roy Jones Jr when he would state the same
about not fighting out of the states. I wonder what Ken Buchanan thinks about this?

Just watched Simpson-Choi there again. Had Simpson 115-114. Very close fight. The stats had Choi landing more which he did in the early rounds especially. But Simpson done well in the mid and late rounds. Great stuff from both.

Coco wrote:Gonzales can fight, lucky we have Scottish judges.

Americans aren't scottish.

ShadrachSimmo wrote:

Coco wrote:Gonzales can fight, lucky we have Scottish judges.

Americans aren't scottish.

The hillbillies are

Just watched it again and at the moment when he quits even gonzale's trainer couldn't believe he was quitting.
Looks like his heart might not be quite big enough, thought he looked pretty dam good until that heavy 7th round. Hurt his hand and didn't want to know.

Final round wrote:

levi billups wrote:

Final round wrote:Who chose the opponent, Dean Powell?

It was a mandatory defence. EH said had it gone to purse bids and they had lost the bid, they would not have gone to Puerto Rico but would probably have vacated.

That's interesting about vacating the belt rather than defending over there. I was jesting about Dean making the fight (opposing camps)

Yes, it's a shame when people feel they have to walk away from fights (and belts) because they don't trust that they will get a fair shake of the stick. Not sure how I feel about this; a champion must fight his mandatory but there doesn't seem to be a country (this one included) where fairness to the visiting boxer can be guaranteed.

ShadrachSimmo wrote:Just watched Simpson-Choi there again. Had Simpson 115-114. Very close fight. The stats had Choi landing more which he did in the early rounds especially. But Simpson done well in the mid and late rounds. Great stuff from both.

I thought Choi looked good, relentlessy pressing forward. Both did some quality work. Your score seems closest to what I saw. The official scores seemed a little wide but Simpson was a deserving winner.

bushdoc wrote:Just watched it again and at the moment when he quits even gonzale's trainer couldn't believe he was quitting.
Looks like his heart might not be quite big enough, thought he looked pretty dam good until that heavy 7th round. Hurt his hand and didn't want to know.

he was quality and you could hear the punches from both hands banging into burns, but heart is a major part of the sport if you are willing to quit on a world title like that when you are clearly winning and only have 3 rounds to go you may as well just quit the sport. Burns impressed me in the 7th he just stood there bit down on his gum shield and threw everything he had into his shots and the hand speed gave him the edge in the exchange and turned the fight. Burns is usually good at getting in and out of range but he was miles off that night i think he should have walked his man down more before throwing the shots, he was taking a pasting on the ropes but from watching the katsidis fight i knew burns could soak them shots up well but there were defiantly some moments in the middle of the ring when i though burns was about to get turned over. Very exciting fight until the anti climax, think burns had his measure at the end and had showed he could hurt gonzalez and gonzalez's legs looked like they had no energy in them so i think he may well have taken him out on his feet.

Someone else commented on here saying they were massaging gonzalez's legs furiously in the corner and it looked concerning and that was after the 7th i think.

pablothunder wrote:

ShadrachSimmo wrote:Just watched Simpson-Choi there again. Had Simpson 115-114. Very close fight. The stats had Choi landing more which he did in the early rounds especially. But Simpson done well in the mid and late rounds. Great stuff from both.

I thought Choi looked good, relentlessy pressing forward. Both did some quality work. Your score seems closest to what I saw. The official scores seemed a little wide but Simpson was a deserving winner.

Got a link mate? Can't find the fight anywhere!