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SouthpawStephen wrote:

dajuggernaut wrote:You pick it, it's your example.

If you think my argument is "pretty much crowd" you're going to have to re-read this thread again.

Someone want to help this guy out?

Oh yeah, and mileage.

sucracristo wrote:

SouthpawStephen wrote: Pretty much your argument is crowd. Very simple. However, I don't think it's that simple.

he has an argument. the opposing arguments about whoppers being different in the usa
are not arguments. if there was an argument that explained what kind of an
advantage ward would really have, after all these pages, maybe somebody
might give the argument credit. the northeast united states started off as british
colonies and a 2nd war had to be fought because britain in the 1800's was still claiming
that crews of us ships were british subjects. look at the names of the states and
cities and towns. listen to new englanders talk. even attitudes about politics are
more similar in northeastern usa and britain than the other parts of the states.
any differences froch would notice at all are completely superficial.
east coast is as much a neutral site as you are going to get outside of maybe macao

SNG wrote:

sucracristo wrote:

SouthpawStephen wrote: Pretty much your argument is crowd. Very simple. However, I don't think it's that simple.

he has an argument. the opposing arguments about whoppers being different in the usa
are not arguments. if there was an argument that explained what kind of an
advantage ward would really have, after all these pages, maybe somebody
might give the argument credit. the northeast united states started off as british
colonies and a 2nd war had to be fought because britain in the 1800's was still claiming
that crews of us ships were british subjects. look at the names of the states and
cities and towns. listen to new englanders talk. even attitudes about politics are
more similar in northeastern usa and britain than the other parts of the states.
any differences froch would notice at all are completely superficial.
east coast is as much a neutral site as you are going to get outside of maybe macao

Here's the problem, not one person has been arguing that Ward had an advantage. It's painfully obvious now that you're arguing over two different interpretations of the word 'home'. You assume that people are calling Ward the home fighter as in he had an hometown advantage in AC, what people are actually saying is that he's the home fighter in the sense that AC is more familiar to him socially/culturally than it was/would be for Froch or any other foreign fighter.

dajuggernaut wrote:A home fight assumes an advantage. Don't call it that then.

Say they fought at a place thousands of miles from their home that spanned multiple time zones for each. Or another way to put it, a neutral site.

Unless Ward gets that same warm feeling looking out his plane window in Atlantic City, then all bets are off.

sucracristo wrote: AGAIN, with the how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
just spell it out. we are going around in circles with you people talking about
what things aren't and how things are more complicated. it's like a community
college philosophy class. other than britain and the united states, where do you
want the fight?

SouthpawStephen wrote:

dajuggernaut wrote:A home fight assumes an advantage. Don't call it that then.

Say they fought at a place thousands of miles from their home that spanned multiple time zones for each. Or another way to put it, a neutral site.

Unless Ward gets that same warm feeling looking out his plane window in Atlantic City, then all bets are off.

Compare the feeling you would have landing in your own country to landing in China vs Froch. Would you feel more at home in one or the other?

SouthpawStephen wrote:

dajuggernaut wrote:A home fight assumes an advantage. Don't call it that then.

Say they fought at a place thousands of miles from their home that spanned multiple time zones for each. Or another way to put it, a neutral site.

Unless Ward gets that same warm feeling looking out his plane window in Atlantic City, then all bets are off.

Compare the feeling you would have landing in your own country to landing in China vs Froch. Would you feel more at home in one or the other?

SouthpawStephen wrote: I agree. Now let's dance on a pin head like some angels.

SouthpawStephen wrote:

sucracristo wrote:

SouthpawStephen wrote: I agree. Now let's dance on a pin head like some angels.

please just not the tango. i have two left feet

You live in FL currently sucra?

SouthpawStephen wrote:

sucracristo wrote:

SouthpawStephen wrote: You live in FL currently sucra?

was it my shameless advocacy for the fight to be in florida that gave me away?

No. Your location states you are surrounded by Palmetto bugs. I grew up in Daytona. Miss the beach immensely.

DetroitHxC wrote:It's more than ridiculously stupid to assume every American should feel "at home" anywhere in the United States.

sucracristo wrote:

DetroitHxC wrote:It's more than ridiculously stupid to assume every American should feel "at home" anywhere in the United States.

i have felt more at home in britian and ireland than i felt in many parts of the states,
and i am an american. that's what hit me the hardest arriving at basic training
back in the day. they take all these different people from all over and make them
work as a unit. i have tried to explain this to relatives and friends who grew
up in other countries, and the different counties of ireland and shires of england are
not comparable.

DetroitHxC wrote:It's more than ridiculously stupid to assume every American should feel "at home" anywhere in the United States.

DetroitHxC wrote:It's more than ridiculously stupid to assume every American should feel "at home" anywhere in the United States.

dajuggernaut wrote:

DetroitHxC wrote:It's more than ridiculously stupid to assume every American should feel "at home" anywhere in the United States.

dajuggernaut wrote:Couldn't say for sure.

Emil wrote:

dajuggernaut wrote:Couldn't say for sure.

What do you think then? Do you think an american athlete that lived his whole life
in the US and represented USA in the Olympics would feel more familiar fighting in Atlantic city
or in the UK?

dajuggernaut wrote:

Emil wrote:

dajuggernaut wrote:Couldn't say for sure.

What do you think then? Do you think an american athlete that lived his whole life
in the US and represented USA in the Olympics would feel more familiar fighting in Atlantic city
or in the UK?

Before Froch he never fought in Atlantic City or England, they would equally be unfamiliar places to him.

dajuggernaut wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/22739853

Froch "kind of" considers Vegas a neutral venue. Wonder his thoughts on Atlantic City. Surely he can't consider Vegas a neutral fight and consider Atlantic City to be a home fight.

Emil wrote:With the arguments presented in this thread you could also argue that in many cases having Ward fighting a Chinese fighter in China could also be a neutral venue...