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I wsh the Fury family all the best. They shouldn't be too surprised by the doubts and questioning though. They weren't slow on the draw at accusing Haye of fabricating injury, for example.

By all accounts its been a torrid time for the Furys, my cousin an his mrs are close to them ,how can anyone have nothing but sympathy for such a sad state of circumstances , like i said in one of my first posts sometimes there are far more important things than boxing , lets spare a thought for his poor wife , such a sad thing to have to deal with, what can anyone say :(

What a terrible tragedy. Wish them all the best.

His wife used to work at her dad's shop, I saw her about pretty often. She was really pleasant, polite and decent.

poor sod. Cant blame him for not giving boxing a second thought

classy mentioning USSR

veriton wrote:fury fought Cunningham without peter in his corner cos of visa issues, now its the reason to throw this fight away? come on, no none here fell off a xmas tree. if they had brought lucas browne in as a late replacement fury would have been in there like a sh1thouse rat. as it is, he took one look at Ustinov and decided that was one drive he didn't fancy attempting to tarmac.

Peter said he would never let that happen again after the performance Tyson put on.

palooka wrote:A sparring partner is in shape to spar 6 rounds, they are not in the shape of their life unless they have a fight coming up themselves.

Everyone has their own opinion on the matter, I've put my 2 pence worth in.

Absolute rubbish ,, So a profesional athlete , is'nt doing it right unless he's flabby and overweight ,, , if your a pro its what you do ,, SOME boxers let themselves go ,, but the majority stay in shape enough to do 6 rnds , sparring without even training , when they have a fight coming up the camp puts the finishing touches on .

If your out of shape going into a camp your right behind the 8 ball .. . It can take you 3 months just to get your fitness back if you have been stupid enough to neglegt yourself . . Ustinov is just treating the game like a pro should , and thats be in shape , and the training camp puts the finishing touches on ,

Its not unusual for sparring partners to be support cards , so why is it unusual for a sparring partner to be in shape . after all , Chisora was paying him , if he was'nt in shape , he may has well got billy bunter from out the local boozer and sparred him

lillywhite14 wrote:So, there is a chance that Fury would have fought had Ustinov came in at 320lbs like a beached whale, who had literally just got off the sofa, but as soon as he thought he had to face a version who had been training for 8 weeks instead, he and his team decided against it?

I've always maintained the Fury's were looking for a "blagged" title shot or a big cash out fight ( it was Haye ) without facing a real threat. Ustinov isn't anything special by a long way though and Fury should have beat him soundly.

Pulev was too risky given he would have been favourite against Tyson and the purse wouldn't have been big enough for it to be considered the big cash out fight. Same with Price. Haye would have knocked him out but picking up a few million for his troubles would have eased the pain for Fury.

I like Fry but he has lost face in this episode. I thought Chisora was a relatively mediocre opponent to begin with, again, no real power, plods and clearly something of a good level gatekeeper. Ustinov wasn't any better. Now we have to wait a few months just to see the original Chisora fight! I was hoping we would see him in with a high level heavyweight by the end of the year.

The plan seems to be, beat Chisora then hopefully sit on a mandatory shot, fighting light punching opponents who are a lot smaller before cashing out against Wlad.

spot on

palooka wrote:His wife used to work at her dad's shop, I saw her about pretty often. She was really pleasant, polite and decent.

She always comes across really well into the interviews with Ifilm london aswell. Seems a really nice girl. It's very sad.

columbo wrote:

palooka wrote:His wife used to work at her dad's shop, I saw her about pretty often. She was really pleasant, polite and decent.

She always comes across really well into the interviews with Ifilm london aswell. Seems a really nice girl. It's very sad.

What's sad?

mickey1975 wrote:

columbo wrote:

palooka wrote:His wife used to work at her dad's shop, I saw her about pretty often. She was really pleasant, polite and decent.

She always comes across really well into the interviews with Ifilm london aswell. Seems a really nice girl. It's very sad.

What's sad?

She lost her baby. Peter has released a statement saying she had a miscarriage right after Derek got injured. Hughies health issues being the tip of the iceberg.

palooka wrote:

Sklar wrote:I think they should stick to the story that it's Uncle Hughie's illness that forced the wthdrawal and keep the conspracies to themselves. His illness is genuine and pulling Tyson out because of the strain on the family is acceptable.

The stuff about Ustinov being in great shape, etc, has all the hallmarks of a swallow.

It's just his wife's father's opinion, he's got a jewellers in Doncaster town centre. He's no need to lie, if he felt he was being set up on top of everything then it's added pressure.

How could this be a set up? With the end result being what? Tyson has to fight a live opponent who's in decent shape...is this not the nature of the sport? Very strange reasoning.

to me this is a perfect example of how boxing is in the dark ages, teeming with BS and counter BS, often swallowing its own BS as though that's the best way to be. If fury's mrs has had this then there isn't a man alive who wouldn't think he shouldn't pull out immediately. think of any other sport football, golf, tennis or F1 and it would be normal, human, to do so. in boxing it seems that isn't the case, the show goes on and then the uncle gets sick and fury backs out and looks like a sh1thouse rat cos no way is that a genuine excuse (soz uncle but you're on the fringe mate when it comes to fighting). if he had pulled out when it would have been normal to do so then this would be a non issue. what is with the fkin secrecy? what end does it serve? just self destruction.

It's a set up if one side has tried to spring a fast one on the other side. I don't know if Tyson would choose to fight Ustinov, it may be that he's afraid of people his size, I don't know the fellow. I do know how father in law slightly and have known him slightly for years.

Fury had trained 8 weeks or more toward a bout with Chisora, that fell through and Ustinov was in ideal shape to step in. Jimmy (Tyson's father in law) said the thinking was that Chisora had been injured some time before it was announced and Ustinov had been training solid with a view to boxing Fury. That is underhand if nothing else. It may not be the case but that was the feeling and Ustinov was certainly in very good condition - condition he'd not been able to get himself into for years. He may have a renewed dedication to the sport and become a paragon of professionalism or he may have been tipped off that he could be on the inside track to turn a highly rated boxer over and grab a world title chance on the back of it.

Having read the rest of the thread I'd say wife having a miscarriage would be a deal breaker, hope she recovers soon.

The talk of a set up is still bizarre

palooka wrote:It's a set up if one side has tried to spring a fast one on the other side. I don't know if Tyson would choose to fight Ustinov, it may be that he's afraid of people his size, I don't know the fellow. I do know how father in law slightly and have known him slightly for years.

Fury had trained 8 weeks or more toward a bout with Chisora, that fell through and Ustinov was in ideal shape to step in. Jimmy (Tyson's father in law) said the thinking was that Chisora had been injured some time before it was announced and Ustinov had been training solid with a view to boxing Fury. That is underhand if nothing else. It may not be the case but that was the feeling and Ustinov was certainly in very good condition - condition he'd not been able to get himself into for years. He may have a renewed dedication to the sport and become a paragon of professionalism or he may have been tipped off that he could be on the inside track to turn a highly rated boxer over and grab a world title chance on the back of it.

For me it's a moot point; I can't see the Fury camp being afraid of Ustinov. If you've ever seen him box you'll see why; he's slow as eff and not the puncher his statistical record would indicate he is.

palooka wrote:It's a set up if one side has tried to spring a fast one on the other side. I don't know if Tyson would choose to fight Ustinov, it may be that he's afraid of people his size, I don't know the fellow. I do know how father in law slightly and have known him slightly for years.

Fury had trained 8 weeks or more toward a bout with Chisora, that fell through and Ustinov was in ideal shape to step in. Jimmy (Tyson's father in law) said the thinking was that Chisora had been injured some time before it was announced and Ustinov had been training solid with a view to boxing Fury. That is underhand if nothing else. It may not be the case but that was the feeling and Ustinov was certainly in very good condition - condition he'd not been able to get himself into for years. He may have a renewed dedication to the sport and become a paragon of professionalism or he may have been tipped off that he could be on the inside track to turn a highly rated boxer over and grab a world title chance on the back of it.

Who would tip Ustinov off to that? It just sounds so far fetched and paranoid

Tomasino wrote:

palooka wrote:It's a set up if one side has tried to spring a fast one on the other side. I don't know if Tyson would choose to fight Ustinov, it may be that he's afraid of people his size, I don't know the fellow. I do know how father in law slightly and have known him slightly for years.

Fury had trained 8 weeks or more toward a bout with Chisora, that fell through and Ustinov was in ideal shape to step in. Jimmy (Tyson's father in law) said the thinking was that Chisora had been injured some time before it was announced and Ustinov had been training solid with a view to boxing Fury. That is underhand if nothing else. It may not be the case but that was the feeling and Ustinov was certainly in very good condition - condition he'd not been able to get himself into for years. He may have a renewed dedication to the sport and become a paragon of professionalism or he may have been tipped off that he could be on the inside track to turn a highly rated boxer over and grab a world title chance on the back of it.

Who would tip Ustinov off to that? It just sounds so far fetched and paranoid

Who stood to make money? Who promotes Ustinov? Who promoted the show? Who manages and promotes Fury? You imagine the top promoters enjoy sharing the pie? They were/are happy for near monopoly positions. Fury is outside of the loop - a loose cannon who is in a very good position. Boxing politics is a game of chess and not all of it is done in the light of day. Promoters pay out good money to get a home advantage and for friendly judges etc, do you not think that they'd do something to get an advantage that can leapfrog a fighter to the top of the most lucrative division in boxing?

veriton wrote:to me this is a perfect example of how boxing is in the dark ages, teeming with BS and counter BS, often swallowing its own BS as though that's the best way to be. If fury's mrs has had this then there isn't a man alive who wouldn't think he shouldn't pull out immediately. think of any other sport football, golf, tennis or F1 and it would be normal, human, to do so. in boxing it seems that isn't the case, the show goes on and then the uncle gets sick and fury backs out and looks like a sh1thouse rat cos no way is that a genuine excuse (soz uncle but you're on the fringe mate when it comes to fighting). if he had pulled out when it would have been normal to do so then this would be a non issue. what is with the fkin secrecy? what end does it serve? just self destruction.

I do remember, years ago, that a Brit light heavy fought in an undercard 6 rounder the day after his wife miscarried.... Tony Wilson maybe?

palooka wrote:It's a set up if one side has tried to spring a fast one on the other side. I don't know if Tyson would choose to fight Ustinov, it may be that he's afraid of people his size, I don't know the fellow. I do know how father in law slightly and have known him slightly for years.

Fury had trained 8 weeks or more toward a bout with Chisora, that fell through and Ustinov was in ideal shape to step in. Jimmy (Tyson's father in law) said the thinking was that Chisora had been injured some time before it was announced and Ustinov had been training solid with a view to boxing Fury. That is underhand if nothing else. It may not be the case but that was the feeling and Ustinov was certainly in very good condition - condition he'd not been able to get himself into for years. He may have a renewed dedication to the sport and become a paragon of professionalism or he may have been tipped off that he could be on the inside track to turn a highly rated boxer over and grab a world title chance on the back of it.

If that was actually the case it would be fraud (as tickets were being sold for a fight that wasn't happening).

reggaereggae wrote:

veriton wrote:to me this is a perfect example of how boxing is in the dark ages, teeming with BS and counter BS, often swallowing its own BS as though that's the best way to be. If fury's mrs has had this then there isn't a man alive who wouldn't think he shouldn't pull out immediately. think of any other sport football, golf, tennis or F1 and it would be normal, human, to do so. in boxing it seems that isn't the case, the show goes on and then the uncle gets sick and fury backs out and looks like a sh1thouse rat cos no way is that a genuine excuse (soz uncle but you're on the fringe mate when it comes to fighting). if he had pulled out when it would have been normal to do so then this would be a non issue. what is with the fkin secrecy? what end does it serve? just self destruction.

I do remember, years ago, that a Brit light heavy fought in an undercard 6 rounder the day after his wife miscarried.... Tony Wilson maybe?

Maybe he had no choice financially. Being a six rounder etc.

mickey1975 wrote:

columbo wrote:

palooka wrote:His wife used to work at her dad's shop, I saw her about pretty often. She was really pleasant, polite and decent.

She always comes across really well into the interviews with Ifilm london aswell. Seems a really nice girl. It's very sad.

What's sad?

I thought that you were in the know - or are you saying there was another reason?

The idea that Chisora hurt his hand weeks earlier, and dark forces conspired to spring Ustinov upon Fury at the last minute is just embarrassing. It was the promoter's fighter to match Chisora and Fury, the sport was not crying out for it and it's not really set the world on fire. There would be absolutely no point in planning anything of the sort regarding Ustinov.

I can understand Fury feeling there was something funny going on, but for sane boxing fans on boxrec to believe it is really surprising. I would expect this sort of thing to crop up on a dedicated conspiracy website.

Try losing weight ,, Then when you have got to a weight where your a 6'7" giant , who can comfortably be fit enough and strong enough to box say 8 rnds ,, Then try ripping off another load of fat so you come in lean and mean and capable of 12 rnds ,, ALL AT 6 FOOT FACKING SEVEN .

Get real if you think he's gonna do that in a few weeks you don't know fack all about boxing ,, To get in that condition he's been working hard for a while , So for the conspiracy theory to work , It was all planned FACKING MONTHS AGO ...

Would'nt it of been a lot easier for the promoter to say ,, Now lookee here Mr Fury , you want to fight , you want a good pay day , , you hav'nt got many options , cos after all you don't want to fight anyone , so heres the deal ,, Fight Ustinov or don't fight at all .

I think that scenario would off been a lot easier than signing up for Chisora and paying for a secret training camp months ago so Ustinov could get in shape ,, .

He bottled it plain and simple , Course , Alls he had to do was stop with the excuses , and come out and say , NO i'm not fighting him , i'm a profesional and i don't fight a complete different opponent to what i've trained for on a weeks notice END OFF .

Course he would of took shit but thats been brought about by his mouth , and not helped by his uncle , constantly banging on about being fighting men , bred to fight , who bow to no man , and all the associated BOLLOCKS

Mugsy wrote:

Boxerbeetle123 wrote:Personally I'm past caring about the whole Fury circus. Whichever way you look at it, Fury has now managed to avoid fighting both Price & Ustinov - 2 dangerous punchers - under dubious circumstances.

He can go back to fighting blown-up cruisers & non-punchers as far as I'm concerned, I never thought he'd be a genuine world level heavy but it now seems Tyson & his family agree.

Dangerous punchers? What the f-uck are you on c-unt?

Two big lumps of shite whod fall over after a fart from Fury. Price is chinless and the Russian Tree is old and never beaten anyone.

Then explain why he had the chance to shit on them , never mind fart ,, and all he did was , shit himself . and refuse .