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Lancenix wrote:

Tarkus wrote:

x2x wrote:

Does it actually say "fully erect" someplace?

Yes, thats how I remember but don't ask me to back it up with the proof.

There is no official rule book in boxing. I have asked this question to Teddy Atlas twice. The first time he told me it was a good point. The second time he told me that I should get to work on it in my free time. So it is kind of viewed as a joke that there is nothing concrete about this.

Tarkus wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

x2x wrote:I just watched it again and it looked to me that Martin was off the floor and halfway up but not fully erect at the count of ten. How exactly is the ten count rule worded? The ref should havesome leeway in this and the leeway should not be towards prematurely stopping a fight where both men can continue.

When the ref said ten it looked like his glove was on the canvas to me. Even on the first knockdown martin was given the benefit of the doubt as he waited so long he was almost counted out and could have been. He took way too long getting up. Not the refs fault at all here.

There are rule books. For example rulebook of British Board says:

"Boxer shall be considered to be down until he has regained his feet within the boxing ring and is in a position and a condition to defend himself."

"He must regain his feet unassisted within ten seconds. The Referee shall not permit a Boxer to continue boxing, if in his opinion he is able to do so, until the expiration of 8 seconds following the knock down."

Tarkus wrote:
There are rule books. For example rulebook of British Board says:

"Boxer shall be considered to be down until he has regained his feet within the boxing ring and is in a position and a condition to defend himself."

"He must regain his feet unassisted within ten seconds. The Referee shall not permit a Boxer to continue boxing, if in his opinion he is able to do so, until the expiration of 8 seconds following the knock down."

Lancenix wrote: There is no official rule book of boxing rules That is accepted across jurisdictions. That is quite well known actually. Each commission has their own rules but there is not a rule book that is accepted like in every other sport.

x2x wrote:

Tarkus wrote:
There are rule books. For example rulebook of British Board says:

"Boxer shall be considered to be down until he has regained his feet within the boxing ring and is in a position and a condition to defend himself."

"He must regain his feet unassisted within ten seconds. The Referee shall not permit a Boxer to continue boxing, if in his opinion he is able to do so, until the expiration of 8 seconds following the knock down."

Beating a dead horse...but OK Martin regained his feet unassisted at, I think, 10, and was also in a position to defend himself with his hands up and nodding OK. I don't have a clue what that last sentence means. I think it's double talk.

x2x wrote:

Lancenix wrote: There is no official rule book of boxing rules That is accepted across jurisdictions. That is quite well known actually. Each commission has their own rules but there is not a rule book that is accepted like in every other sport.

And even these local jurisdiction rules are poorly and ambiguously written as you can see by the samples above.

Tarkus wrote:

x2x wrote:

Tarkus wrote:
There are rule books. For example rulebook of British Board says:

"Boxer shall be considered to be down until he has regained his feet within the boxing ring and is in a position and a condition to defend himself."

"He must regain his feet unassisted within ten seconds. The Referee shall not permit a Boxer to continue boxing, if in his opinion he is able to do so, until the expiration of 8 seconds following the knock down."

Beating a dead horse...but OK Martin regained his feet unassisted at, I think, 10, and was also in a position to defend himself with his hands up and nodding OK. I don't have a clue what that last sentence means. I think it's double talk.

I think it should say unable rather then able. Essentially ref decides if he is able to continue. Its on refs assessment and in this case he made a reasonable decision in my opinion.

Lancenix wrote:

Tarkus wrote:

x2x wrote:

Beating a dead horse...but OK Martin regained his feet unassisted at, I think, 10, and was also in a position to defend himself with his hands up and nodding OK. I don't have a clue what that last sentence means. I think it's double talk.

I think it should say unable rather then able. Essentially ref decides if he is able to continue. Its on refs assessment and in this case he made a reasonable decision in my opinion.

Have you ever seen Jack Reiss after a knockdown?? The guy asks the fighter to take eight steps and recite the Bill of Rights. And there are other refs who are only interested in wiping gloves. Remember the first JMM Pacman fight? JMM barely beats that count on the third knockdown (if he
did)of the first round when his nose got broken but the ref gave him every benefit of the doubt. If the ref calls that fight off after the 3rd knockdown in the first that may have changed the history of boxing.

Starboxer wrote:

Wales wrote:Dont rate Martin at all.

Neither does Eddie Hearn who jumped at chance to get him over to fight Joshua by offering him huge money. $5m plus a percentage of ppv sales apparently! Martin reportedly got $250k for fighting Glazkov

Martin is the best fighter Joshua has faced as a pro by a country mile

diddy wrote:Starboxer, nice call, you sure know your stuff!!

diddy wrote:Starboxer, nice call, you sure know your stuff!!

Nightmare Roy wrote:

diddy wrote:Starboxer, nice call, you sure know your stuff!!

Tried to help him save his money. People fall for the Hype.

The Insider wrote:The more I see of Martin the more I think he'll get knocked out. He's not quick enough or light enough on his feet to evade AJs quick thunderous punches. Don't get me wrong I'm no AJ fan boy and think he'll come unstuck soon enough but Martin is made for him. He leaves his chin out and doesn't get his hands back quick enough to block counters. His footwork is pretty shocking too. His Southy stance may bamboozle AJ for a minute or two but I think when Joshua hits him it's lights out. I'm not confident enough to bet on the result but if see this as a massive upset if Martin won.

Taansend wrote:I'm guessing Starboxer will go back to his other username now

dave_81 wrote:Congrats to Joshua for beating this bum , i watched the clip in this tread , Martin just came to collect his money and made sure he
did not miss the first flight home

Wales wrote:

Starboxer wrote:

Wales wrote:Dont rate Martin at all.

Neither does Eddie Hearn who jumped at chance to get him over to fight Joshua by offering him huge money. $5m plus a percentage of ppv sales apparently! Martin reportedly got $250k for fighting Glazkov

Martin is the best fighter Joshua has faced as a pro by a country mile

Like i said, dont rate him at all. Absolute garbage. not sure what fights youd been watching?

diddy wrote:Starboxer, nice call, you sure know your stuff!!

Tarkus wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

Tarkus wrote: I think it should say unable rather then able. Essentially ref decides if he is able to continue. Its on refs assessment and in this case he made a reasonable decision in my opinion.

Have you ever seen Jack Reiss after a knockdown?? The guy asks the fighter to take eight steps and recite the Bill of Rights. And there are other refs who are only interested in wiping gloves. Remember the first JMM Pacman fight? JMM barely beats that count on the third knockdown (if he
did)of the first round when his nose got broken but the ref gave him every benefit of the doubt. If the ref calls that fight off after the 3rd knockdown in the first that may have changed the history of boxing.

Those are only acceptable if a fighter beats the count first. If he is not standing in 10 sec he should loose the fight even if he gets up on 11th and looks fine.

x2x wrote:

Tarkus wrote:
There are rule books. For example rulebook of British Board says:

"Boxer shall be considered to be down until he has regained his feet within the boxing ring and is in a position and a condition to defend himself."

"He must regain his feet unassisted within ten seconds. The Referee shall not permit a Boxer to continue boxing, if in his opinion he is able to do so, until the expiration of 8 seconds following the knock down."

Beating a dead horse...but OK Martin regained his feet unassisted at, I think, 10, and was also in a position to defend himself with his hands up and nodding OK. I don't have a clue what that last sentence means. I think it's double talk.

Tanzio wrote:So we found out that Martin isn't on AJ's level. Who is on Joshua's level?

This fight accomplished the mission; AJ now has a (meaningless) belt, though certainly not worthless, to build on. Martin certainly did cash in, and I congratulate him for it. He will have other opportunities now, including the possibility of a Glazkov rematch which I think is winnable for him.

Joshua needs some rounds, IMO. I was wrong to think that Martin could give them to him.