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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 03:15

p4p1 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 03:12
I still think that as well. The fight is clearly going to be won by the guy who lands first and I think you have to back the quicker guy with slightly better reflexes to land first.

I think AJ is a better schooled boxer. Wilder is more athletically reliant of the two, and after that type of beating at almost 35 I think the trajectory favours Josh

I'm not so sure the beating was any worse than the one Joshua received from Ruiz. I agree though Wilder's age works against him and everyone he comes up against now will know that if you can walk him down he doesn't know what to do. I wonder if that is an issue stemming from when you're already 6'7 and 220lbs and stupidly powerful. Who the hell is going to want to pressure a guy like that in the gym?

Maybe someone can fill me in but does Wilder's team just suck? I know Breland was a world champ but they don't always make good trainers. Or is it that he doesn't listen because he feels he doesn't have to? Are they teaching him the correct stuff and he is trying to learn but can't grasp it? His technique lets him down in every fight. The smart thing I have seen from him is throwing punches at varying speeds.

This time judges just had no choice. Still a one managed to give Wilder a round.

sturm vogel wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 02:45 This forum is filled with so many of the coalition. No matter what how many times we experts tell they just don't understand boxing. The old rules are rules because the subjects have been tried for a hundred years.

1) Do not judge a fighter by his physique

2) Skilled boxers usually beat punchers


No matter how many times this is expressed there is always a chorus of choir boys who nay say these truths.

I agree. It was obvious Fury was in good shape. Didn't mean that people thought he was definitely going to win but you could tell the way he was dancing and shadow boxing St the weigh in that he was light on his feet and also mentally on for this one.

But apparently he was fat with a fat back and was going to get knocked out.

The same people that have now wiped the first Ruiz v Joshua fight from their memories and are back to thinking boxing is a Mr Universe contest.

Respect to Wilder as well. He's a gutsy guy.

sturm vogel wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 02:45 This forum is filled with so many of the coalition. No matter what how many times we experts tell they just don't understand boxing. The old rules are rules because the subjects have been tried for a hundred years.

1) Do not judge a fighter by his physique

2) Skilled boxers usually beat punchers


No matter how many times this is expressed there is always a chorus of choir boys who nay say these truths.

I agree. It was obvious Fury was in good shape. Didn't mean that people thought he was definitely going to win but you could tell the way he was dancing and shadow boxing St the weigh in that he was light on his feet and also mentally on for this one.

But apparently he was fat with a fat back and was going to get knocked out.

The same people that have now wiped the first Ruiz v Joshua fight from their memories and are back to thinking boxing is a Mr Universe contest.

Respect to Wilder as well. He's a gutsy guy.

What a shock! With Tyson Fury you never know what will happen. I was doubting because of his weight, but he's a genius of this sport. Surely one of the best heavyweght of boxing history.

geronimo wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 04:31 What a shock! With Tyson Fury you never know what will happen. I was doubting because of his weight, but he's a genius of this sport. Surely one of the best heavyweght of boxing history.

Yeah, he already has quite impressive achievements and he's on a route to improve his legacy even more.

geronimo wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 04:31 What a shock! With Tyson Fury you never know what will happen. I was doubting because of his weight, but he's a genius of this sport. Surely one of the best heavyweght of boxing history.

He's so underated.

I see people on here still bringing up the first fight against Big John, like that makes him a bad fighter because he once should have lost vs Big John (A good, British level fighter in his own right) in his 8th fight.

Fury is excellent. His biggest strength is that he fight multiple different styles and stances, where many fighters have just one style and stick to it.

I fell asleep after 4 but writing was on the wall. Impressive stuff from fury.

wilder had a fight against a game opponent and not a tomato can

Wooo! My bets on Fury winning by KO (+500) and the fight going less than 11 full rounds (-135), plus a lil +135 bet on the Martin-Washington fight ending within 9 rounds just paid for my party’s night :) Great night of boxing in Vegas. The venue was packed and there was a huge UK contingent on hand.

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 03:49 This time judges just had no choice. Still a one managed to give Wilder a round.

I thought that was correct.

Ron C wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 02:27 Respect the hell outta Wilder. Being a warrior isn’t only about how much pain you can dish out, being able to take it like that and not quit is the true definition of a warrior to me. Still just as big of a fan of Wilder as I was before the fight. I just hope he’s alright. Excited for what’s next

Yes, Deontay Wilder showed tremendous heart.

He was prepared to die in that ring.

Weirdly reminiscent of AJ v Ruiz 1 whereby an ear (balance) injury changed everything.

Plans, tactics and strategy all went out of the window.

Wilder wanted to show patience this time but Fury's shocking change of tactics demanded a different response. Easy to say in hindsight but this time Wilder should have gone to war.

Just imagine what Wilder will now be looking to do in the third fight.

Bring it on.

What's Wilder going to do in the third fight?

Exactly the same as the first two fights. Hope he lands his right hand.

Do you think there will even be a third fight?

My prediction was wrong (Wilder by KO/TKO), not the first time, of course, but I am still very surprised by Fury's domination.
It seemed to me that Fury fought a B level fighter. What was wrong with Wilder ? The first KD, maybe ? It was a perfect punch, something like Ruiz's punch against Joshua.

Fury is just better than Wilder. There was nothing wrong with Wilder apart from being hurt by someone beating him up.

Last time Fury was coming back off a lay off and the weight gain etc.

So it just made people think that they were on a similar level.

But they're not.

ValMar wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 09:01 My prediction was wrong (Wilder by KO/TKO), not the first time, of course, but I am still very surprised by Fury's domination.
It seemed to me that Fury fought a B level fighter. What was wrong with Wilder ? The first KD, maybe ? It was a perfect punch, something like Ruiz's punch against Joshua.

That is what I saw. After the KD Wilder was off and not himself. Hope he gets up from this.

ValMar wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 09:01 My prediction was wrong (Wilder by KO/TKO), not the first time, of course, but I am still very surprised by Fury's domination.
It seemed to me that Fury fought a B level fighter. What was wrong with Wilder ? The first KD, maybe ? It was a perfect punch, something like Ruiz's punch against Joshua.

Actually having watched the fight back.
The first knock down consisted of a lead left hook followed by a right. Wilder turned his back on the right, and Fury caught him across the top of the should blades. Wilder went down more off momentum than anything.

I think the ear shot was the next series of hooks a little later in the round.

ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 09:05 Fury is just better than Wilder. There was nothing wrong with Wilder apart from being hurt by someone beating him up.

Last time Fury was coming back off a lay off and the weight gain etc.

So it just made people think that they were on a similar level.

But they're not.

This was the fight which would actually test Wilder's metal.
He was tested and found wanting.

He is not the fighter his fans hoped he was

Coming in, I didn't want to say it, but I was thinking, Wilder by devastating KO in 6-8 rds. I thought Fury won the 1st bout by 3 pts, but kept thinking "what more can he do this time", while on the other hand, Wilder (I believed) could do plenty ! All he really needed to do was throw more power shots and eventually something good would happen. If Fury won, I figured it would be because Wilder learned absolutely nothing from the first bout, he'd fight in spurts and lose something like 9-3. Was I ever wrong.

geronimo wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 04:31 What a shock! With Tyson Fury you never know what will happen. I was doubting because of his weight, but he's a genius of this sport. Surely one of the best heavyweght of boxing history.

True statement. Fury has elite size and skills -and an incredible will to win. Most heavyweights of the past that the chorus sings about are obviously too small to compete against a super-heavyweight. The list is very short now which includes Lennox Lewis, both Klitshckos, and Fury. The likes of Ali, Holmes, Frazier, Marciano, etc. are all just cruiserweights today. We are writing about a different weight division today so comparisons are not fair.

Finkel wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 10:22

ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 09:05 Fury is just better than Wilder. There was nothing wrong with Wilder apart from being hurt by someone beating him up.

Last time Fury was coming back off a lay off and the weight gain etc.

So it just made people think that they were on a similar level.

But they're not.

This was the fight which would actually test Wilder's metal.
He was tested and found wanting.

He is not the fighter his fans hoped he was

I can not agree. Wilder's basic weapon is his lethal punch power. Yesterday he has not been able to land one punch properly (and he has been hurt seriously in the third round). That's it.

ValMar wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 10:34

Finkel wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 10:22

This was the fight which would actually test Wilder's metal.
He was tested and found wanting.

He is not the fighter his fans hoped he was

I can not agree. Wilder's basic weapon is his lethal punch power. Yesterday he has not been able to land one punch properly (and he has been hurt seriously in the third round). That's it.

Okay, I can admit I am perhaps being premature - I'm still drinking from watching the fight.
I guess we will call time on that particular conversation until his next fight.

Finkel wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 10:20

ValMar wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 09:01 My prediction was wrong (Wilder by KO/TKO), not the first time, of course, but I am still very surprised by Fury's domination.
It seemed to me that Fury fought a B level fighter. What was wrong with Wilder ? The first KD, maybe ? It was a perfect punch, something like Ruiz's punch against Joshua.

Actually having watched the fight back.
The first knock down consisted of a lead left hook followed by a right. Wilder turned his back on the right, and Fury caught him across the top of the should blades. Wilder went down more off momentum than anything.

I think the ear shot was the next series of hooks a little later in the round.

I rewatched the fight this morning. It can not be clearly seen (I mean the first KD), but after this KD, Wilder has not been the same fighter, obviously. His legs have not obeyed his brain, surely.