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tonyevs wrote: ↑25 Apr 2023, 01:53

mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2023, 16:21

tonyevs wrote: ↑24 Apr 2023, 14:39

.. you just doing your Trolling for your own amusement now Mick.

*You bit too obvious

No, I really believe that. He might take a bit longer to catch up with the gunshy version he actually created but he would get to him.

No you don't Mick - you just being silly

Fat Andy got lucky once .. the gun shy AJ who only able to box by numbers was still able to easily outboxed him in the rematch.

*Fury fans are as risk averse as Tyson Fury nowadays it seems

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2023, 03:10

tonyevs wrote: ↑25 Apr 2023, 01:53

mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2023, 16:21
No, I really believe that. He might take a bit longer to catch up with the gunshy version he actually created but he would get to him.

No you don't Mick - you just being silly

Fat Andy got lucky once .. the gun shy AJ who only able to box by numbers was still able to easily outboxed him in the rematch.

*Fury fans are as risk averse as Tyson Fury nowadays it seems

I think Counter-Puncher put it much better than I could the other day about how lucky Ruiz got that night.

tonyevs wrote: ↑25 Apr 2023, 11:21

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2023, 03:10

tonyevs wrote: ↑25 Apr 2023, 01:53

No you don't Mick - you just being silly

Fat Andy got lucky once .. the gun shy AJ who only able to box by numbers was still able to easily outboxed him in the rematch.

*Fury fans are as risk averse as Tyson Fury nowadays it seems

I think Counter-Puncher put it much better than I could the other day about how lucky Ruiz got that night.

The important fact is that a gun shy AJ who gets critisized for his boxing ability, was able to easily outbox Fat Andy in the rematch.
That Fat Andy has never before, and never since, put in such a good display/result says it all really .. Fat Andy got lucky and it makes no difference what other AJ haters may write.

tonyevs wrote: ↑25 Apr 2023, 11:21

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2023, 03:10

tonyevs wrote: ↑25 Apr 2023, 01:53

No you don't Mick - you just being silly

Fat Andy got lucky once .. the gun shy AJ who only able to box by numbers was still able to easily outboxed him in the rematch.

*Fury fans are as risk averse as Tyson Fury nowadays it seems

I think Counter-Puncher put it much better than I could the other day about how lucky Ruiz got that night.

The important fact is that a gun shy AJ who gets critisized for his boxing ability, was able to easily outbox Fat Andy in the rematch.
That Fat Andy has never before, and never since, put in such a good display/result says it all really .. Fat Andy got lucky and it makes no difference what other AJ haters may write.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑25 Apr 2023, 11:59

tonyevs wrote: ↑25 Apr 2023, 11:21

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2023, 03:10
I think Counter-Puncher put it much better than I could the other day about how lucky Ruiz got that night.

The important fact is that a gun shy AJ who gets critisized for his boxing ability, was able to easily outbox Fat Andy in the rematch.
That Fat Andy has never before, and never since, put in such a good display/result says it all really .. Fat Andy got lucky and it makes no difference what other AJ haters may write.

In a way it's comparable to the Leonard-Duran fights. Both Leonard and AJ couldn't outfight Duran/Ruiz. So they put their track shoes on in the rematch to box and move without exchanging too much.

tonyevs wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 01:54 The 'ifs & but' and 'what ifs' are meaningless really.
A boxers overall makeup is what gets him his results.

Dennis Andries wasn't the most skillful but he brought his other attributes such as toughness, determination and fitness to get results.
As someone mentioned earlier regarding what Eubank referred to as the 'warriors code' to keep getting up and swinging until you physically cannot is part of that.

It was claimed that 'a fit Ruiz beats AJ 9 out of 10 times'. That's just silly .. he loses to AJ 9 out of 10 because he can't keep himself in shape, and his strengths are easily nullified by keeping it long as even the gun shy AJ was able to do.

Our Mick being blinded by his hatred for anything AJ here it seems.

tonyevs wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 01:54 The 'ifs & but' and 'what ifs' are meaningless really.
A boxers overall makeup is what gets him his results.

Dennis Andries wasn't the most skillful but he brought his other attributes such as toughness, determination and fitness to get results.
As someone mentioned earlier regarding what Eubank referred to as the 'warriors code' to keep getting up and swinging until you physically cannot is part of that.

black panther wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 04:03

tonyevs wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 01:54 The 'ifs & but' and 'what ifs' are meaningless really.
A boxers overall makeup is what gets him his results.

Dennis Andries wasn't the most skillful but he brought his other attributes such as toughness, determination and fitness to get results.
As someone mentioned earlier regarding what Eubank referred to as the 'warriors code' to keep getting up and swinging until you physically cannot is part of that.

Nice post very good points on the overall makeup of a boxer!

Guess boxing is kind of like life you only really find out what you're made of when you're back is against wall or "you're on the ropes"

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 04:06

black panther wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 04:03

tonyevs wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 01:54 The 'ifs & but' and 'what ifs' are meaningless really.
A boxers overall makeup is what gets him his results.

Dennis Andries wasn't the most skillful but he brought his other attributes such as toughness, determination and fitness to get results.
As someone mentioned earlier regarding what Eubank referred to as the 'warriors code' to keep getting up and swinging until you physically cannot is part of that.

Nice post very good points on the overall makeup of a boxer!

Guess boxing is kind of like life you only really find out what you're made of when you're back is against wall or "you're on the ropes"

Doesn't that sort of contradict the second half of the post? In Ruiz 1. AJ found his back against the wall and quit.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 04:05 As for the it's 'easy as long as you keep it long'. How come he's only lost two then? He is nearly always the smaller man and has fought many much bigger world ranked boxers who 'keep it long'. If it's that easy, why is he so successful?

tonyevs wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 16:08

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 04:05 As for the it's 'easy as long as you keep it long'. How come he's only lost two then? He is nearly always the smaller man and has fought many much bigger world ranked boxers who 'keep it long'. If it's that easy, why is he so successful?

The heavyweight division for last few years has been very poor as most people agree. So it's understandable to see Ruiz fight record is very scarce on quality .. a couple of ancient old warriors .. and a loss against Parker.

As stated earlier. Ruiz was lucky to beat AJ .. the stars aligned for him that night; he had his 1 time out of 10 success against AJ.

If he was fit .. if he was more dedicated .. if he was 4" taller .. if he could throw combinations like a young Mike Tyson .. if and buts are meaningless.

His cons outweigh his pros.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 16:11 Reports that this did 1.2m buys!!

Over $20m live gate.

jameswilson wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023, 10:58

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 16:11 Reports that this did 1.2m buys!!

Over $20m live gate.

Those praying for DAZN to go to the sh1t pan will be gutted there.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023, 11:12

jameswilson wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023, 10:58

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 16:11 Reports that this did 1.2m buys!!

Over $20m live gate.

Those praying for DAZN to go to the sh1t pan will be gutted there.

These are reported Showtime PPV numbers article didn’t say it included DAZN PPV for US.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 04:01

tonyevs wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 01:54 The 'ifs & but' and 'what ifs' are meaningless really.
A boxers overall makeup is what gets him his results.

Dennis Andries wasn't the most skillful but he brought his other attributes such as toughness, determination and fitness to get results.
As someone mentioned earlier regarding what Eubank referred to as the 'warriors code' to keep getting up and swinging until you physically cannot is part of that.

It was claimed that 'a fit Ruiz beats AJ 9 out of 10 times'. That's just silly .. he loses to AJ 9 out of 10 because he can't keep himself in shape, and his strengths are easily nullified by keeping it long as even the gun shy AJ was able to do.

Our Mick being blinded by his hatred for anything AJ here it seems.

It's my opinion. I don't hate AJ, I just see him for what he is. I was watching something the other day where it was said he could have done with a few fights like the Franklin one on the way up but that wouldn't have fitted in with the image they were creating as some unstoppable monster, now AJ is giving interviews saying he is more of a boxer than a fighter... So not only did Andy ruin the aggressive AJ, but by being so unfit in the rematch he has let AJ believe he is some sort of master boxer, hence him getting schooled twice since.