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JamesPhilips wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 16:02

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 16:00

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 15:55

He’s resigned now anyway

So there is no longer a contradiction?

Once we’re part of an insular organisation, we never really leave.

Bit like Tom Cruises lot yeah?

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 16:03

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 16:02

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 16:00

So there is no longer a contradiction?

Once we’re part of an insular organisation, we never really leave.

Bit like Tom Cruises lot yeah?

Yes

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 16:02

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 16:00

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 15:55

He’s resigned now anyway

So there is no longer a contradiction?

Once we’re part of an insular organisation, we never really leave.

that's very dystopian James, you've made me feel like I'll never escape local government and I left in 2018!

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 16:09

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 16:02

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 16:00

So there is no longer a contradiction?

Once we’re part of an insular organisation, we never really leave.

that's very dystopian James, you've made me feel like I'll never escape local government and I left in 2018!

Yes. I am a dystopian pessimist…. But I believe that I have based that perspective on reasonable evidence

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 16:16

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 16:09

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 16:02

Once we’re part of an insular organisation, we never really leave.

that's very dystopian James, you've made me feel like I'll never escape local government and I left in 2018!

Yes. I am a dystopian pessimist…. But I believe that I have based that perspective on reasonable evidence

well I hope you feel more positive tomorrow buddy, have a cracking Monday!

Man with passion for boxing history has link to boxing infrastructure, shock. The bloke clearly lives and breathes boxing so it makes sense and i dont see anything wrong with it.

Sad some people have a go at someone who does so much for boxing. He's making sure people arent forgotten and writes with genuine warmth about boxers.

veriton wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 00:54 Man with passion for boxing history has link to boxing infrastructure, shock. The bloke clearly lives and breathes boxing so it makes sense and i dont see anything wrong with it.

Sad some people have a go at someone who does so much for boxing. He's making sure people aren't forgotten and writes with genuine warmth about boxers.

Thanks Veriton. Appreciate that. Really pissed off about all this. Modern world I suppose.

Miles Templeton.

prewarboxing wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 11:31

veriton wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 00:54 Man with passion for boxing history has link to boxing infrastructure, shock. The bloke clearly lives and breathes boxing so it makes sense and i dont see anything wrong with it.

Sad some people have a go at someone who does so much for boxing. He's making sure people aren't forgotten and writes with genuine warmth about boxers.

Thanks Veriton. Appreciate that. Really pissed off about all this. Modern world I suppose.

Miles Templeton.

So you aren't a part of a scientologist type sect!!!

prewarboxing wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 11:31

veriton wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 00:54 Man with passion for boxing history has link to boxing infrastructure, shock. The bloke clearly lives and breathes boxing so it makes sense and i dont see anything wrong with it.

Sad some people have a go at someone who does so much for boxing. He's making sure people aren't forgotten and writes with genuine warmth about boxers.

Thanks Veriton. Appreciate that. Really pissed off about all this. Modern world I suppose.

Miles Templeton.

Hmmmm some people would say that rather than get upset about a few words on a niche forum, what you should be really caring about, especially as a then BBBofC director, is allowing a boxer with a brain anomaly known by the board, and who almost DIED and is now completely broke? What do you have to say about that Miles? That was on your watch right? And do you think it’s right, during your directorship, that a struggling largely unknown boxer lost FOUR prime years of his career, his mental and physical health took a huge downturn, all just for testing for an non performance enhancing recreational drug? A man who couldn’t afford the legal fees to contest it, because he was not a ‘star’….. Yet PED abusers are treated far less harshly? What have you got to say about that Miles? Also do you have to be on the square to be a board director?

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 15:40 How do you get to be a BBBoC stooge? Is it paid work?

Miles has posted here for years, and has earned his stripes

It's not like he turned up here in an avalanche of ass kissing after announcing himself as a BN writer

Your nose is put out because you didn't agree about Dick Tiger

Nail on head.

Miles Templeton

prewarboxing wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 15:12

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 15:40 How do you get to be a BBBoC stooge? Is it paid work?

Miles has posted here for years, and has earned his stripes

It's not like he turned up here in an avalanche of ass kissing after announcing himself as a BN writer

Your nose is put out because you didn't agree about Dick Tiger

Nail on head.

Miles Templeton

Answer the real questions Miles

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... pointments

You need to understand what a board director entails, he isn't Robert Smith, it's not even a paid position

Who was the fighter with a brain abnormality who almost died? I think I missed that
Did he pass his scans?

Of all the things wrong in boxing, Miles is not a part of it.

Good man, kind man. Not taken a penny out of boxing.

Excellent boxing historian.

One of the good guys.

Keep doing what you're doing Miles.

I do blame you for everything wrong in the wider world though you monster....

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 15:19

prewarboxing wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 15:12

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 15:40 How do you get to be a BBBoC stooge? Is it paid work?

Miles has posted here for years, and has earned his stripes

It's not like he turned up here in an avalanche of ass kissing after announcing himself as a BN writer

Your nose is put out because you didn't agree about Dick Tiger

Nail on head.

Miles Templeton

Answer the real questions Miles

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... pointments

I don’t understand why you can’t be a respected boxing historian and a member of the Board of Control?

He’s hardly trying to control a narrative over stuff that happened decades ago?

Coco wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 16:49 Who was the fighter with a brain abnormality who almost died? I think I missed that
Did he pass his scans?

She. Alejandra Ayala. The story is very murky.

"the British Boxing Board of Control contacted the Federation of Professional Boxing Commissions of the Mexican Republic.
It’s reported that Dennis Gilmartin, an ultra-experienced veteran of the sport and supervisor, wrote to the Mexican boxing authority 10 days after Ayala’s punishing defeat to Marshall, stating the findings of an MRI brain scan had shown a tumour in the fighter’s brain"

She was still allowed to fight Savannah Marshall who knocked her out. Then she was allowed to fight Hannah Rankin who stopped her and almost killed her. It is not clear that the board saw or took part in any scans for the second fight.

https://boxing-social.com/features/alej ... -what-now/

Coco wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 16:43 You need to understand what a board director entails, he isn't Robert Smith, it's not even a paid position

Well hopefully Miles can explain himself. And why he continued to act as a director despite those two high profile and immoral decisions.

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 18:28

Coco wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 16:43 You need to understand what a board director entails, he isn't Robert Smith, it's not even a paid position

Well hopefully Miles can explain himself. And why he continued to act as a director despite those two high profile and immoral decisions.

Some every member of the Board is accountable for everything that happens at the Board?

How do we know he even knew?

Frostieballs wrote: ↑22 Oct 2024, 04:07

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 18:28

Coco wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 16:43 You need to understand what a board director entails, he isn't Robert Smith, it's not even a paid position

Well hopefully Miles can explain himself. And why he continued to act as a director despite those two high profile and immoral decisions.

Some every member of the Board is accountable for everything that happens at the Board?

How do we know he even knew?

lol if he’s a director it’s his job to know….. plus we as fans all knew but we’re supposed to believe an alleged ‘boxing historian’, expert and member of the board didn’t know? Are you suggesting the board don’t communicate or have meetings about serious issues!?

Frostieballs wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 18:10

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 15:19

prewarboxing wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 15:12

Nail on head.

Miles Templeton

Answer the real questions Miles

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... pointments

I don’t understand why you can’t be a respected boxing historian and a member of the Board of Control?

He’s hardly trying to control a narrative over stuff that happened decades ago?

You can hardly be an independent journalist and be objective if you’re a member of a sport’s governing organisation.
It’s like Mauricio Sulaiman writing articles in a boxing trade paper… or expecting the Ring to be objective when it’s owned by Oscar de la Hoya.

James, I think you are beginning to dig a big hole for yourself

It good to disagree, it encourages healthy debate, it was reasonable for you to contest opinions over Dick Tiger, but just let it go.

This isn't the right way to go about things

Coco wrote: ↑22 Oct 2024, 07:17 James, I think you are beginning to dig a big hole for yourself

It good to disagree, it encourages healthy debate, it was reasonable for you to contest opinions over Dick Tiger, but just let it go.

This isn't the right way to go about things

lol what on earth has Dick Tiger got to do with it?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 15:41 experts can be falliable too . miles obviously knows a load but he did throw his pram out and started throwing insults around when i suggested that henry cooper was a liar (Re ali-cooper). i then posted a detailed follow up with evidence to back it up and then his responses suddenly stopped

Is this about Dick Tiger too Coco?

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑22 Oct 2024, 06:31

Frostieballs wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 18:10

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 15:19
Answer the real questions Miles

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... pointments

I don’t understand why you can’t be a respected boxing historian and a member of the Board of Control?

He’s hardly trying to control a narrative over stuff that happened decades ago?

You can hardly be an independent journalist and be objective if you’re a member of a sport’s governing organisation.
It’s like Mauricio Sulaiman writing articles in a boxing trade paper… or expecting the Ring to be objective when it’s owned by Oscar de la Hoya.

What is he seeking to influence?

Sulaiman would no doubt use every opportunity to push the cause of the WBC.

Are there any examples you can point to of MT pushing the cause of the Board, or trying to whitewash something?

Sport is littered with active members contributing to the media.

My impression was that he is more of a historian who extended his interest at one point to being involved in the governance of the sport.

I don’t know enough about the situations you are referring to. Was he directly involved, or just by implication as a Director? In the same way people try to blame Keir Starmer for Jimmy Saville when he had no direct knowledge (we are told).

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 15:19

prewarboxing wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 15:12

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 15:40 How do you get to be a BBBoC stooge? Is it paid work?

Miles has posted here for years, and has earned his stripes

It's not like he turned up here in an avalanche of ass kissing after announcing himself as a BN writer

Your nose is put out because you didn't agree about Dick Tiger

Nail on head.

Miles Templeton

Answer the real questions Miles

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... pointments

James, why do you think Miles has to answer to you on this?

You’ve raised a few points…

‘during your directorship, that a struggling largely unknown boxer lost FOUR prime years of his career’. So we’re talking about the Liam Cameron cocaine case. The ban of 4 years isn’t down to the BBBoC. It’s down to UKAD. The bans start at 4 years and then reduce depending on mitigation. The initial tribunal found there was no mitigation and, rightly or wrongly, they didn’t believe what Liam said to them hence the ban wasn’t reduced. The CAS review backed that up.

I think everyone can agree that cocaine shouldn’t be treated the same as many PEDs but that’s a UKAD issue and not a BBBoC issue. Also that was all done before Miles was a director for what it’s worth.

You’ve raised the Ayala case. I do think the BBBoC have a case to answer here based on what I’ve read. However it’s strange to me that you think that should be a volunteer board member who, I think, was ‘responsible’ for the northern area.

Robert Smith should be asked about the Ayala case as ultimately he’s responsible and accountable and also the Scottish area rep could be asked those questions too. Whilst someone is a director that doesn’t mean they’re complicit or involved in every area of a company. Or have to answer for it.

Re: volunteering for the BBBoC and writing for Boxing News, I’d agree there is a conflict if there was ever an area of modern debate in Miles’ articles but there’s not. The column is about boxing history and doesn’t have a bearing on anything present day. I had more of an issue when Buncey and Lillis were writing articles when they were employed by allegedly.