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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:14 ya exactly, a fresh opponent ads more than beating the same guy again you already beat handily

for me: parker, kabayel, or gold medalists fight vs jalolov (ya i know he's not done much as a pro) would be the ones for his last fight

if we are going just for maximum exposure, then go for the gold and fight jake paul or trump or something

Yeah, realistically, Parker, Kabayel, Jalolov and Itauma are the only ones that anyone can forward being the most deserved opponents or the ones to possibly dethrone him over the next 3 years. If he faces some of them and they knock each other out of the queue on the way I think he's done all he can in this era.

Would like to see Usyk call it a day now, retiring undefeated with 3x undisputed and the olympic gold is huge.

Unless he can drag everyone over to Kiev anyway..

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:02 dave was sure fury would beat usyk twice, wonder if he'd pick him again

tbf, i think he's got a point about the bodypunching, usyk is more vulnerable there than the head. also, usyk has great conditioning, it could be the key to slowing him down. that said, prob too basic to get to usyk but he's got some interesting tool

Dave who?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:19

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:02 dave was sure fury would beat usyk twice, wonder if he'd pick him again

tbf, i think he's got a point about the bodypunching, usyk is more vulnerable there than the head. also, usyk has great conditioning, it could be the key to slowing him down. that said, prob too basic to get to usyk but he's got some interesting tool

Dave who?

allen

Pukka Cheese wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:18 Would like to see Usyk call it a day now, retiring undefeated with 3x undisputed and the olympic gold is huge.

Unless he can drag everyone over to Kiev anyway..

Let's not give in to that 3x undisputed nonsense. He's 2x Undisputed. He didn't need to win the IBF Title because he never truly lost it. This was another defense of his Undisputed Title in my mind.

I personally want to see Joseph Parker get his shot at Usyk just because he's earned it, but after that I'd be happy to see Usyk retire.

Hell I'd also be happy to see him keep going if he can continue to fight at his best. If all they're gonna do is keep asking him to beat guys for the 2nd and 3rd time, he'd probably be up for that for as long as they're willing to pay him.

I feel Dubois never really got going and looked a bit timid in there tonight? Didn't really deliver the 'chaos' I was expecting. I thought he would come out swinging for the fences and impose himself but it never happened. Game plan seemed odd to stand there at distance where Usyk shines.

Dubois seemed shut down by Round 4. I guess the shots started to get to him, you could tell he was starting to feel the pace of the fight.

Hats off to Usyk for neutralizing Dubois quickly and ending the show quicker than I anticipated. It was a demolition job.

Parker's a very likeable guy and a good solid world level operator but I don't get the clamour to see him get the shot he "deserves" at a title.

He goes 12 rounds with a completely shot Wilder and then ekes out a narrow decision against an ancient Zhang who was then dealt with in some style by a more dangerous opponent in Kabayel. And he beats a fringe guy in Bakole who was so unprepared to fight he shouldn't have been allowed in the ring.

Decent wins but nothing special.

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:55 Parker's a very likeable guy and a good solid world level operator but I don't get the clamour to see him get the shot he "deserves" at a title.

He goes 12 rounds with a completely shot Wilder and then ekes out a narrow decision against an ancient Zhang who was then dealt with in some style by a more dangerous opponent in Kabayel. And he beats a fringe guy in Bakole who was so unprepared to fight he shouldn't have been allowed in the ring.

Decent wins but nothing special.

It's more about if not him then who? In the same vein, Kabayel has beat the same Zhang plus an untested Sanchez and an exposed Makhmudov. Nobody else is even close to deserving right now.

joshj909 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 20:03

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:55 Parker's a very likeable guy and a good solid world level operator but I don't get the clamour to see him get the shot he "deserves" at a title.

He goes 12 rounds with a completely shot Wilder and then ekes out a narrow decision against an ancient Zhang who was then dealt with in some style by a more dangerous opponent in Kabayel. And he beats a fringe guy in Bakole who was so unprepared to fight he shouldn't have been allowed in the ring.

Decent wins but nothing special.

It's more about if not him then who? In the same vein, Kabayel has beat the same Zhang plus an untested Sanchez and an exposed Makhmudov. Nobody else is even close to deserving right now.

Yeah fair comment

I suppose the only difference being that Kabayel hasn't yet been exposed at the top level like Parker has previously

"Exposed" might be a bit harsh but he never really gave it a go against AJ and his loss to Joyce hasn't aged well despite it being an absolute barnburner

Usyk is fornicating incredible, isn't he.

I've been watching boxing for 50+ years & he's just up there with all of them.

It has to be Parker or Kabayel next.

However, neither one brings the $$$ that a UK fighter does so it'll be the winner of Whyte v Itauma or Wardley.

Cas wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:32 I feel Dubois never really got going and looked a bit timid in there tonight? Didn't really deliver the 'chaos' I was expecting. I thought he would come out swinging for the fences and impose himself but it never happened. Game plan seemed odd to stand there at distance where Usyk shines.

Dubois seemed shut down by Round 4. I guess the shots started to get to him, you could tell he was starting to feel the pace of the fight.

Hats off to Usyk for neutralizing Dubois quickly and ending the show quicker than I anticipated. It was a demolition job.

I think DDD had been telling himself he can just rumble and gamble…. Then I’m the first 10 seconds Usyk landed a sickening jab and then another and then another… and DDD remembered he isn’t a pitter patter middle weight and Usyk is himself a unit…

Taansend wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 20:09 Usyk is fornicating incredible, isn't he.

I've been watching boxing for 50+ years & he's just up there with all of them.

I think the only thing Ali has over him is showmanship.

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 20:09

joshj909 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 20:03

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:55 Parker's a very likeable guy and a good solid world level operator but I don't get the clamour to see him get the shot he "deserves" at a title.

He goes 12 rounds with a completely shot Wilder and then ekes out a narrow decision against an ancient Zhang who was then dealt with in some style by a more dangerous opponent in Kabayel. And he beats a fringe guy in Bakole who was so unprepared to fight he shouldn't have been allowed in the ring.

Decent wins but nothing special.

It's more about if not him then who? In the same vein, Kabayel has beat the same Zhang plus an untested Sanchez and an exposed Makhmudov. Nobody else is even close to deserving right now.

Yeah fair comment

I suppose the only difference being that Kabayel hasn't yet been exposed at the top level like Parker has previously

"Exposed" might be a bit harsh but he never really gave it a go against AJ and his loss to Joyce hasn't aged well despite it being an absolute barnburner

Give Kabayel a shot vs Usyk with a Parker vs Joyce 2 undercard so Parker can erase that defeat. I wouldn't be against it.

joshj909 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:17

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:14 ya exactly, a fresh opponent ads more than beating the same guy again you already beat handily

for me: parker, kabayel, or gold medalists fight vs jalolov (ya i know he's not done much as a pro) would be the ones for his last fight

if we are going just for maximum exposure, then go for the gold and fight jake paul or trump or something

Yeah, realistically, Parker, Kabayel, Jalolov and Itauma are the only ones that anyone can forward being the most deserved opponents or the ones to possibly dethrone him over the next 3 years. If he faces some of them and they knock each other out of the queue on the way I think he's done all he can in this era.

I can't see uncle Frank letting Moses go any where near Usyk after that display. He will be a champ in the future though for sure.

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 20:48

joshj909 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:17

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:14 ya exactly, a fresh opponent ads more than beating the same guy again you already beat handily

for me: parker, kabayel, or gold medalists fight vs jalolov (ya i know he's not done much as a pro) would be the ones for his last fight

if we are going just for maximum exposure, then go for the gold and fight jake paul or trump or something

Yeah, realistically, Parker, Kabayel, Jalolov and Itauma are the only ones that anyone can forward being the most deserved opponents or the ones to possibly dethrone him over the next 3 years. If he faces some of them and they knock each other out of the queue on the way I think he's done all he can in this era.

I can't see uncle Frank letting Moses go any where near Usyk after that display. He will be a champ in the future though for sure.

Odds are you are right about Moses being a future champ.
But if I had a dollars for every can't miss prospect. I'd of retired long ago

I don't rate Itauma when it comes to belt talk yet. If he were matched daringly from now on I fancy he'd lose in the next 30 months. I'd like my hunch he'll come unstuck when he's hurt and his ego gets in the way to be wrong.

I think Wardley's well-publicised white-collar background helps in that regard, in that the cost of him losing would be much lower. He's advertised as a great value fighter with some skill, and presents as such.

Cas wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 19:32I feel Dubois never really got going and looked a bit timid in there tonight? Didn't really deliver the 'chaos' I was expecting. I thought he would come out swinging for the fences and impose himself but it never happened. Game plan seemed odd to stand there at distance where Usyk shines.

Don't push the cocoon of horror.

Dubois is actually really, really good at slipping in and out of range to punish overcommitment with counters... against slow opponents. Trying to tag Usyk with powershots on the reply was mad, and from almost the first bell I was willing him to tighten his guard and try and back Uysk up with wideshot feints, mixed with clubbing hooks aimed at his arms to sell them.

To fight like oldman Chisora, in other words, if you could put Del's head on his body. And I think he should've aimed for 230 with the tactics to highguard bludgeon Usyk in the hope of catching him often enough to tire him late. Funnily enough, you might criticise Dubois for being too clean.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 20:16

Taansend wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 20:09 Usyk is fornicating incredible, isn't he.

I've been watching boxing for 50+ years & he's just up there with all of them.

I think the only thing Ali has over him is showmanship.

Possibly.

As I've got older I'm not doing direct lists 1-10 or such anymore.

There are just different levels of great. Usyk is up there with the very best. Whether he's better than Ali, Louis, Tunney or Harrison is not for me to say. But he's their equal. Floating on that cloud of immortality.

Taansend wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 21:17There are just different levels of great. Usyk is up there with the very best. Whether he's better than Ali, Louis, Tunney or Harrison is not for me to say. But he's their equal. Floating on that cloud of immortality.

Sugar Force?

The best ever heavyweight. No question at all.

I think he might as well retire now to be honest. There is noone else left to beat -- Parker has had a good run but is a C-Level plodder. Kabayel is probably the best but again, he's just a plodder who hasnt beaten anyone else good.

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 23:12 The best ever heavyweight. No question at all.

I think he might as well retire now to be honest. There is noone else left to beat -- Parker has had a good run but is a C-Level plodder. Kabayel is probably the best but again, he's just a plodder who hasnt beaten anyone else good.

Parker has been a solid second tier guy for nearly a decade, C-level is a bit harsh.
As for 'plodder' -he has pretty quick hands I thought?
And Kayabel (who is my pick for Uysk) is a real handful. He has fairly quick hands as well, the sickening body punching combinations are like nothing Uysk has faced.
Plus both of those guys are respectively #1 contenders, and unlike the Dubois we saw tonight, have improved.

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 21:29

Taansend wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 21:17There are just different levels of great. Usyk is up there with the very best. Whether he's better than Ali, Louis, Tunney or Harrison is not for me to say. But he's their equal. Floating on that cloud of immortality.

Sugar Force?

The only & only Audley

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 23:12 The best ever heavyweight. No question at all.

I don't get too involved in No 1. No 2. etc but are Usyks wins better than Liston, Foreman & Frazier?

A name that was mentioned previously but hasn’t been for a while is the only fight I want to see Usyk fight is Jai Opetiaia (or however you spell it).

Parker offers nothing, kaybeyel better but needs a fight with an aj, fury or Parker first.

Outruma? Yeah maybe, destroy the next generation also.

Only for me Opetiaia and Outnuma can add to Usyks legacy.

What a display last night.

I’ve got no interest in seeing him take on any of the pretenders out there, he’d beat them all and it’d be an anti climatic mismatch. I guess a hometown showcase would be ideal, but that ain’t gonna happen, surely.

I guess the only one id 100 percent tune into is if he took on Moses, which is a crazy fight, and not one they should let Moses anywhere near - but they’re both can’t miss fighters, so who knows it might happen, he’ll blast out Whyte in a few weeks and everyone will be eyes popping out and the big bucks might be impossible to resist.

Other than that, there’s only one man to take him on. Audley will have to come out of retirement.