The article above "Norkus seeks title tourney" states that after my father beat the 7th ranked LaStarza, that he and Nino Valdes and Don Cockell all are asking for shots vs Marciano. My father suggested that a tourney be set up between the 3 and winner fights Marciano. It goes on to say that my father said" that I (Norkus) fought a stupid fight and should have knocked him out. That I (Norkus) should have forced the action in every round as "Reluctant Roland" retreated from rope to rope and refused to lead".
My father was brash during his career, and said things that could get under his opponents nerve. I think my father enjoyed that role before and after his fights.
It was all done for the sake of boxing though as he was pretty much of a nice guy, gentler man after his career and as a father.
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Ric- THANK YOU SIR. You just taught an old dog a new trick.
I am grateful as my printer/scanner was set at 150 dpi (since the day I got it-and its old) and now boosted it up to 600 dpi. I did a test and "WOW" is not the word for it.
Thank You again. Charlie Norkus Jr.
Though the new scan is a bit clearer-the download to a web page like here is still the same.
Using Tinypic.com
I replaced the very last article above with new scan-same result.
CNorkusJr wrote:Ric- THANK YOU SIR. You just taught an old dog a new trick.
I am grateful as my printer/scanner was set at 150 dpi (since the day I got it-and its old) and now boosted it up to 600 dpi. I did a test and "WOW" is not the word for it.
Thank You again. Charlie Norkus Jr.
Though the new scan is a bit clearer-the download to a web page like here is still the same.
Using Tinypic.com
I replaced the very last article above with new scan-same result.
In what format are you saving the image? JPG? BMP? And did you save the new scan under a new file name?
Also, as I understand it, Tinypic automatically resizes images if they are too large. Try uploading a sample image to the BoxRec wiki, then linking to it from there to here. (If you don't have a Wiki account, e-mail a sample scan to me: [email protected]. JPG is preferred.)
__ Johnny Trombino, Sean Curtin, Louie Lomeli, John Collins, Luis Mateo, Terry McGroom,Marc Randazzo
* second row, Johnny Heard, Fred Houpe, Nate Jones, Mike Joyce Ernie Terrell, Johnny Lira, Mike Landini,____, Bernard Hightower
* third row, Nick Petrecca, Luke Capuano, Pat La Cassa, Primo LaCassa, David Diaz, Rocky DiFazio, Mike Garcia, ____Pete Podgorski, ___, Alfonso Ortiz, Bobby Hitz
* back row, Mike DiBenedetto, Lenny LaPaglia, John Nocita, Ken Corcoran, Brian O'Shea, Tom O'Shea, Rory O'Shea, Lee Roy Murphy, Danell Nicholson, Henry Sims
Randyman wrote:
It appears that when they knocked down the Main Street Gym they did away with 318 & 1/2. Probably expect bigger buildings in the future. For those of us that trained here this will always be a special place. It's still strange to see nothing there.
Note the $50.00 for special events. Kinda steep.
The event must be r e a l l y special for 50 bucks.
Ricardo Moreno . . . (In 2003, Ricardo Moreno was named to the Ring Magazine's list of 100 Greatest Punchers.)
birth date 1937-02-07
death date 2008-06-24
featherweight
stance orthodox
height 5′ 5½″ / 166cm
reach 66″ / 168cm
alias Pajarito
residence Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico
birth place Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
birth name Ricardo Moreno Escamilla
won 60 (KO 59) + lost 12 (KOed eight) + drawn 1 = 73
1967-08-13 Silverio Chamaco Ortiz 39-17-6
Macuspana, Tabasco, Mexico L KO 4 10
1967-02-09 126 Alex Benitez 126 27-5-2
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L KO 3 12
time: 1:21 | referee: Dick Young
USA California State featherweight title
Moreno was knocked down in the 1st and 3rd round.
1966-12-21 128 Joey Aguilar 129 4-7-2
Coliseum, San Diego, California, United States W TKO 4 10
referee: Dick Young
Cut eye stoppage
1966-06-03 127 Raul Rojas 129 25-1-1
Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California, United States L KO 2 12
time: 2:40 | referee: John Thomas
1966-03-17 127¼ Raul Rojas 128 24-1-1
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L TKO 3 10
time: 3:00 | referee: Joey Olmos
The bout was stopped due to a cut left eye, suffered by Moreno.
1965-10-28 126½ Mayico Robles 126 2-9-2
San Jose, California, United States W KO 4 10
1965-08-26 127 Tony Vasquez 127½ 44-16-2
Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States W KO 2 10
time: 1:58
1965-06-26 128 Fernando Sota 123 6-11-2
Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States W TKO 3 10
time: 2:35 | referee: Vern Bybee
1965-05-22 Beto Maldonado 35-14-3
San Jose, California, United States W KO 7 10
1965-04-26 127 Danny Kid 126½ 43-32-14
Civic Auditorium, San Francisco, California, United States W TKO 4 10
time: 2:31 | referee: Vern Bybee
Danny Kid was down once in the 4th round.
1965-04-11 Trino Savala 10-10-2
San Jose, California, United States W KO 2 10
1965-03-22 Manuel Ochoa 124 13-16-1
Civic Auditorium, San Francisco, California, United States W KO 2 10
time: 1:28
1965-03-02 126½ Luis Echevesta 128 0-5-0
Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States W KO 1 10
time: 2:21
1965-02-20 127 Benny Burton 127½ 2-12-2
San Jose, California, United States W RTD 5 10
According to the AP, Burton did not come out for the 5th round after losing four teeth, and suffered a bad cut in his mouth.
1964-12-10 Babby Lopez
Guerrero, Oaxaca, Mexico W KO 3 10
1964-11-22 Mexico Soliz 0-1-0
Uruapan, Baja California, Mexico W KO 1 10
1964-10-24 Ventarron Lara
Zitacuaro, Michoacán de Ocampo, Mexico W KO 1 10
1964-07-18 Silverio Chamaco Ortiz 24-10-3
Ciudad Del Carmen, Campeche, Mexico W KO 3 10
1964-06-27 Jose Moreno 15-3-1
Durango, Durango, Mexico W KO 6 10
1964-06-15 Ray Antunez 2-1-0
Taxco, Guerrero, Mexico W KO 2 10
1964-05-27 Salve Ortiz 3-2-0
Tapachula, Chiapas, Mexico W KO 3 10
1964-05-16 Lobito Cortez
Michoacán de Ocampo, Mexico W KO 2 10
1964-04-21 Maurillio Kid
Chiapas, Mexico W KO 2 10
1964-04-17 Tiger Soliz
Chiapas, Mexico W KO 3 10
1964-03-11 Cruz Figueroa
Morelos, Morelos, Mexico W KO 2 10
1964-01-10 Panchito Ortiz
Yucatan, Yucatán, Mexico W KO 2 10
1961-12-03 Teddy Rand 13-7-1
Leon, Baja California, Mexico W DQ 5 10
1961-01-08 132 Jose Claudio Adame 131 43-7-6
Plaza de Toros, Torreon, Coahuila de Zaragoza, Mexico L KO 7 10
1960-12-04 130 Panchito Villa II 127 4-7-0
Sabinas, Coahuila de Zaragoza, Mexico W KO 3 10
1960-11-05 Hector Garcia 35-17-4
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico W KO 4 10
1960-06-27 Kid Irapuato 17-5-3
Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico L PTS 10 10
1960-02-27 129 Kid Anahuac 129 47-16-5
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico L PTS 10 10
1959-10-25 Luis Sanchez 8-7-1
Bull Ring, Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico W KO 3 10
1959-09-27 128 Hector Garcia 130 34-16-4
Chihuahua, Chihuahua, Mexico W KO 4 10
1959-05-30 Pat McCoy 39-44-10
Monterrey, Nuevo León, Mexico W KO 5 10
1959-03-22 Al Wilcher 17-11-1
Nogales, Veracruz, Mexico W KO 2 10
1958-12-11 127 Davey Moore 128 34-5-1
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L KO 1 10
time: 2:58 | referee: George Latka
Moreno was knocked down twice.
1958-10-05 Frankie Salas 13-14-3
Mexicali, Baja California, Mexico W KO 2 10
1958-08-24 128 Rocky Fontanette 127 5-9-3
Sabinas, Coahuila de Zaragoza, Mexico W KO 1 10
1958-04-01 124¾ Hogan (Kid) Bassey 124 54-11-2
Wrigley Field, Los Angeles, California, United States L KO 3 15
time: 2:58 | referee: Tommy Hart 17-20 | judge: Jimmy Wilson 17-20 | judge: Frankie Van 17-20
World Featherweight Title
1957-11-21 128 Ike Chestnut 128 28-8-3
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 6 10
referee: Tommy Hart
The bout was stopped after the 6th round because of a cut under Chestnut's left eye and another on his left cheek. It was a thrilling fight with Moreno ahead on points.
1957-05-28 127 Jose Luis Cotero 126 33-12-5
Gilmore Field, Los Angeles, California, United States L KO 7 10
time: 2:24 | referee: Mushy Callahan 53-59 | judge: Tommy Hart 55-57 | judge: Dynamite Jackson 55-57
1957-04-01 126½ Gaetano Annaloro 124½ 26-22-10
Cow Palace, San Francisco, California, United States W TKO 5 10
time: 1:33 | referee: Frankie Carter
1957-02-12 127 Tommy Bain 125 30-5-3
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 3 10
time: 1:22 | referee: Frankie Van
1957-01-29 127 Jesse Mongia 128 32-8-1
Coliseum, El Paso, Texas, United States W KO 2 10
time: 1:06
1956-12-16 126 Sherman Liggins 124½ 5-8-0
Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas, Mexico W KO 2 10
1956-10-06 127 Billy Evans 122 29-39-19
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 3 10
1956-08-15 Henry (Pappy) Gault 63-18-2
Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico W KO 3 10
1956-06-23 122 Frankie Campos 118 13-4-0
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 4 10
1956-04-28 119 Oscar Suarez 117 45-3-3
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 2 10
1956-03-23 Alejo Mejia 0-2-0
Piedras Negras, Coahuila de Zaragoza, Mexico W KO 5 10
1956-03-04 Kildo Martinez 3-6-4
Mexicali, Baja California, Mexico D TD 2 10
1956-01-22 119 Memo Diez 117 12-5-2
El Toreo de Cuatro Caminos, Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico L PTS 10 10
1955-11-24 Jorge Gabino Gomez 2-5-2
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 2 10
1955-10-29 119 Baby Moe Mario 118 21-9-4
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W RTD 4 10
Mario retired after the 4th round
1955-09-10 Pedro Garcia 9-9-2
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 1 10
1955-07-27 Americo Rivera 3-6-1
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 2 10
1955-07-02 Aurelio Rivera 8-10-1
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 1 10
1955-06-11 Mike Cruz 1-7-0
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 6 10
1955-05-21 Fifi Torres 0-1-0
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 2 10
1955-05-04 Danny Bedolla
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 1 10
1955-04-06 Jorge Gabino Gomez 0-3-1
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 7 10
1955-03-10 Cheto Fernandez
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 2 8
1955-02-19 Pepe Chavarria
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 1 8
1955-01-19 Babe Gomez
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 3 6
1954-12-12 Jorge Herrera 5-11-2
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico W KO 7 10
1954-11-11 Fernando Garcia
Acapulco, Guerrero, Mexico W KO 1 8
1954-10-23 Chato Monroy
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 1 8
1954-09-04 Nacho Escalante
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico L PTS 6 6
1954-08-11 Antonio Coria
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 4 8
1954-07-24 Sergio Farias
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 4 8
1954-06-23 Juancito Lopez
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 1 6
1954-06-16 Oscar Diaz
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 1 8
Art Frias:I shed a tear today. I lost my Manager, and one of my best friend Mr. Norman Kaplan. He was a great man. Mr Kaplan had a great deal to do with me becomming a world champion. I will miss him dearly.
With Frias and Kaplan is trainer Al Lira
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Mando Ramos with Enrique Bolanos, dad, Ray Ramos & Jake Shgue (Spelling)
A Jake Shagrue memory . . .
1971. Frankie Crawford weants to vist his long time trainer, Jake Shagrue, at the Long Beach Naval Hospital.
The salty old boxing trainer had just had a leg amputated.
I drive Crawford to the hospital, we go upstairs to Jake's room.
Before entering Crawford insists I let him do all the talking. "I know Jake, I can make him laugh. I hope he don't start crying."
We walk in, Shagrue is laying in bed, his back propped up with a pillow. He's smoking a cigar! I don't say a thing, and neither does Crawford.
I look over to Frankie and he's rocking on his feet, staring around the room, not saying a word.
I glance back to Jake and he's frowning at his fighter, he then looks to me "Hi kid," he says. I say hello and watch Jake look back at Crawford.
Crawford glances at Jake and then looks away. Finally Shagrue barks "What in the Hell do you want?"
Crawford loooks startled and then this big phony smile comes to his face. "Hi Jake, isn't it a beautiful day! How do you feel?"
Shagrue growls back, "They just sawed off my f_cking leg, how do you think I feel?
Here's a few photos of the Main Street Gym you may or may not have seen.
You can see the Auto Park sign, where the gym is located, just above the man crossing the street.
This photo is from 1928. The Hippdrome Theater, which later became the Main Street gym is on the right. The original Main Street Gym is in one of the buildings on the left.
Frank, Thank You. I was recently informed by Henry Hascup that the boxer on far left is not George Holzman. Henry should know as he met just about anybody whoever laced them up in New Jersey.
Story goes. This photo was taken in Bayonne,NJ probably around 1950.
My father was very good friends with George and Ernie and they trained together out of Bayonne. When my father fought Nardico in Miami, George was suppose to be on undercard but was scratched at last minute and fought following week there. Gorge was at arena for Norkus/Nardico I.
Through the years, when I looked through the various photo albums and scrapbooks my father has, he would take the time to explain each photo and history of all the people in them. He always told me it was George. I never met George but came close twice, missing each other by minutes at various functions.
Henry saw this picture recently and said he doesnt think its George. He recently saw George at another funeral attendance. He said it doesnt look like him back in the day.
George is diagnosed with terminal disease and might not make May this year.
He rarely takes phone calls now-Henry asked him if he has tatoos. He said he doesnt have any tatoos-never did. It is not George in picture. I am presently trying to find out this mans ID from New Jersey. I am asking around over in Jersey rank & file and hope somebody can ID him.
Rick, your welcome for articles , but if it wasnt for RIC, Puget Sound-you would not be able to read it. I sent him scan attachment and he posted clear article page. Credit to Ric and Thank you Rick.
__ Johnny Trombino, Sean Curtin, Louie Lomeli, John Collins, Luis Mateo, Terry McGroom,Marc Randazzo
* second row, Johnny Heard, Fred Houpe, Nate Jones, Mike Joyce Ernie Terrell, Johnny Lira, Mike Landini,____, Bernard Hightower
* third row, Nick Petrecca, Luke Capuano, Pat La Cassa, Primo LaCassa, David Diaz, Rocky DiFazio, Mike Garcia, ____Pete Podgorski, ___, Alfonso Ortiz, Bobby Hitz
* back row, Mike DiBenedetto, Lenny LaPaglia, John Nocita, Ken Corcoran, Brian O'Shea, Tom O'Shea, Rory O'Shea, Lee Roy Murphy, Danell Nicholson, Henry Sims
Love it! Sims is the man who cracked expug's ribs in sparring. I think some photoshopping would have been in order, Frankie.
__ Johnny Trombino, Sean Curtin, Louie Lomeli, John Collins, Luis Mateo, Terry McGroom,Marc Randazzo
* second row, Johnny Heard, Fred Houpe, Nate Jones, Mike Joyce Ernie Terrell, Johnny Lira, Mike Landini,____, Bernard Hightower
* third row, Nick Petrecca, Luke Capuano, Pat La Cassa, Primo LaCassa, David Diaz, Rocky DiFazio, Mike Garcia, ____Pete Podgorski, ___, Alfonso Ortiz, Bobby Hitz
* back row, Mike DiBenedetto, Lenny LaPaglia, John Nocita, Ken Corcoran, Brian O'Shea, Tom O'Shea, Rory O'Shea, Lee Roy Murphy, Danell Nicholson, Henry Sims
Love it! Sims is the man who cracked expug's ribs in sparring. I think some photoshopping would have been in order, Frankie.
Wow! great shot Frank. Yep Bennie,he sure did. Johnny Heard busted my nose too.
I know almost every guy in that picture and am friends with a few of them. Boxed with some others such as Lapaglia,Lira and Mateo. Louoe Mateo fought Randy Shields. Sean Curtin refed a few of my fights. So did Pete Podgorski. I am friends with both.
Thanks for posting that picture Frank.
The Lord scoffs at those who make plans - but one more win - and Britain's Amir Khan gets it on with top American Tim Bradley in the summer in a cracking unification showdown for Khan's WBA light-welterweight belt and the WBC and WBO belts held proudly by Bradley.
Conveniently, Khan comes off a career-best performance against monster Argentine puncher Marcos Maidana which will have brought him on as a fighter. It is easy to forget that Khan, who took a close but unanimous decision over Maidana in Las Vegas in December, lost inside a minute to a Colombian not too long ago, on a night when he looked horribly fragile - indeed, when he looked absolutely finished at top-flight. However, Khan dusted himself down and showed real grit and fire against the tasty Maidana to prove his chin, his desire, his mental strength and his immense improvement since linking up with celebrated trainer Freddie Roach last year out of Freddie's Hollywood gym in Los Angeles, where the sparring is 'hot'.
Bolton boy Khan, still only 24, has now won his last six fights since that quick defeat in 2008, but the muscular Bradley is unbeaten and proved his own ability, his own fearlessness, when travelling to fortress Nottingham in 2008 to dethrone Junior Witter on a well-deserved split decision at a time when Witter was too good for his own good (certainly for Team Hatton). Bradley dropped Witter in the process and has proved a real fighting champion, turning back the previously unbeaten trio of Devon Alexander, Lamont Peterson and Luis Abregu while also denying Kendall Holt and Edner Cherry - all good men, and Holt had him down.
Based in Palm Springs in California, the 27-year-old Bradley, a stocky, unimposing figure, is surprisingly quick and clever. He looked made for the tricky, counterpunching Witter but got in and out with sharp two-fisted shots and maintained a hot pace. Khan is also used to outspeeding opponents and likes to target the body, both of which may prove difficult against Bradley, although Khan chopped down Maidana in the first round with body shots and then stayed with him right to the final bell.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Khan has to deal with Paul McCloskey firstly, a strong, slippery Irish southpaw whom he faces on April 16 in Manchester. McCloskey is unbeaten and ambitious but Khan looks too fast for him, too seasoned at world level. The same cannot be said of the dangerous Bradley.
bennie wrote:The Lord scoffs at those who make plans - but one more win - and Britain's Amir Khan gets it on with top American Tim Bradley in the summer in a cracking unification showdown for Khan's WBA light-welterweight belt and the WBC and WBO belts held proudly by Bradley.
Conveniently, Khan comes off a career-best performance against monster Argentine puncher Marcos Maidana which will have brought him on as a fighter. It is easy to forget that Khan, who took a close but unanimous decision over Maidana in Las Vegas in December, lost inside a minute to a Colombian not too long ago, on a night when he looked horribly fragile - indeed, when he looked absolutely finished at top-flight. However, Khan dusted himself down and showed real grit and fire against the tasty Maidana to prove his chin, his desire, his mental strength and his immense improvement since linking up with celebrated trainer Freddie Roach last year out of Freddie's Hollywood gym in Los Angeles, where the sparring is 'hot'.
Bolton boy Khan, still only 24, has now won his last six fights since that quick defeat in 2008, but the muscular Bradley is unbeaten and proved his own ability, his own fearlessness, when travelling to fortress Nottingham in 2008 to dethrone Junior Witter on a well-deserved split decision at a time when Witter was too good for his own good (certainly for Team Hatton). Bradley dropped Witter in the process and has proved a real fighting champion, turning back the previously unbeaten trio of Devon Alexander, Lamont Peterson and Luis Abregu while also denying Kendall Holt and Edner Cherry - all good men, and Holt had him down.
Based in Palm Springs in California, the 27-year-old Bradley, a stocky, unimposing figure, is surprisingly quick and clever. He looked made for the tricky, counterpunching Witter but got in and out with sharp two-fisted shots and maintained a hot pace. Khan is also used to outspeeding opponents and likes to target the body, both of which may prove difficult against Bradley, although Khan chopped down Maidana in the first round with body shots and then stayed with him right to the final bell.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Khan has to deal with Paul McCloskey firstly, a strong, slippery Irish southpaw whom he faces on April 16 in Manchester. McCloskey is unbeaten and ambitious but Khan looks too fast for him, too seasoned at world level. The same cannot be said of the dangerous Bradley.
About getting iced in one round . . .
I was never KOed in one round, and was only stopped once on my feet after hitting the deck three times in the fourth round. So I never experienced this type of loss.
However, I do know that a boxer is most vulnerable for getting knocked out in the first round, when his body has not yet warmed up. I'm not defending Amir Khan's chin, but the guy who flattened him in one was a big hitter, and he got Kahn cold. When Maidana caught Kahn with his biggest bomb, it was later in the fight and Amir was able to survive. It's obvious that his survival was a struggle, but he showed the heart of a fighter by hanging on. Floyd Patterson comes to mind. Timothy Bradley? He's a tough kid who can box and will make a perfect oponent for Kahn, who will be stepping up to a real champion when he faces Bradley. I like Bradley to win that fight, but I won't bet it. Remember, the great Emile Griffith was KOed in one by Hurricane Carter.
Randyman wrote:Here's a few photos of the Main Street Gym you may or may not have seen.
You can see the Auto Park sign, where the gym is located, just above the man crossing the street.
This photo is from 1928. The Hippdrome Theater, which later became the Main Street gym is on the right. The original Main Street Gym is in one of the buildings on the left.
Great photos Randy! It was the Adolphis Theatre shortly before becoming the Main Street Gym.
That shot of 4th & Main is classic. All of them are classics and I've never seen the block as it was before this posting. Great find!
