BoxRec

My daughter Meranda called right now to tell us she just bought some really good tamales. I'm going over there while there's still some left!!

Randyman wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote:Brine/Vinegar ?
Ive read that the oldtimers used to wash their face in Brine or vinegar to toughen the skin.
anyone here know if it acctually works?

My old trainer Mel Epstein gave me a bottle of brine years ago. He wanted me to rub it on my face every night.He ws a firm believer that it toughened the skin. I used it for a few weeks then gave it up. It ws just too much trouble and it stunk. It's an old school trade trick of the trade but I'm not so sure it really works. At any rate, my skin ended up looking like leather anyways.

Randy, Mel tried that with me too.
I told him I'd rather bleed to death than rub that crap on my face.
He shook his head and began talking to his invisible friend.

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote:Brine/Vinegar ?
Ive read that the oldtimers used to wash their face in Brine or vinegar to toughen the skin.
anyone here know if it acctually works?

My old trainer Mel Epstein gave me a bottle of brine years ago. He wanted me to rub it on my face every night.He ws a firm believer that it toughened the skin. I used it for a few weeks then gave it up. It ws just too much trouble and it stunk. It's an old school trade trick of the trade but I'm not so sure it really works. At any rate, my skin ended up looking like leather anyways.

Randy, Mel tried that with me too.
I told him I'd rather bleed to death than rub that crap on my face.
He shook his head and began talking to his invisible friend.

Shades of Hoyt Porter...

CNorkusJr wrote:Sorry Connie, just joking. By all accounts, I'm sure the Menudo is delicious. I'm not sure of all the ingredients but it looks good.

Connie said she hopes you choke on the menudo....

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Randyman wrote:Hey Frank, how are you feeling. how did the doctor visit go?

Things went okay Randy, the doc said I was going be around for a while longer, I told Connie what the doc said and she said "Shit!!!"...

Glad to hear that Frank, and I know that all joking aside, Connie is too Everyone wants you around for a long, long time.

Randy, Connie likes to play the meanie, but she's really a sweetheart....

kikibalt wrote:

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote: Things went okay Randy, the doc said I was going be around for a while longer, I told Connie what the doc said and she said "Shit!!!"...

Glad to hear that Frank, and I know that all joking aside, Connie is too Everyone wants you around for a long, long time.

Randy, Connie likes to play the meanie, but she's really a sweetheart....

Frank, that's a perfect quote from chapter 12 of the Kept Man manuel. You really are the kept man guru.

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Randyman wrote: Glad to hear that Frank, and I know that all joking aside, Connie is too Everyone wants you around for a long, long time.

Randy, Connie likes to play the meanie, but she's really a sweetheart....

Frank, that's a perfect quote from chapter 12 of the Kept Man manuel. You really are the kept man guru.

Rick, I read that manuel at least once a day,... don't want to screw up.....

Frank, didn't get in until late last night.
Will get the bio to you tonight.
It's 4am, finishing up my coffee and I'm out the door.

Boxingnut wrote:

bennie wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:
That was my favorite of all of Hagler's wins. Marvin went into Minter's hometown, ignored a hostile crowd, and kicked his arse.

Minter said quite recently that he was relieved when it was stopped.

I saw Hagler at a sportsman's dinner at Rochdale, England about 10 yeasrs ago and he got a great reception from the crowd, very warmly received.

"That boy's got something," said Marvin at ringside as he watched an 18-year-old debutant by the name of Ricky Burns win a four-rounder on points in Glasgow in 2001. Burns is now a world super-featherweight champion.

Charlie . . .

Spider Man will begin shooting in NYC on Saturday, April 30th thru MAy 10th.
Some of the locations are: The Hearst Bldg., 36 Fuller Place, Brooklyn, 41 West 70th Street, and a few other locations still to be determined.
I wish I could help you get your family on the set, but the security is tight on this one. I won't be on that location.

Is there anybody out there?

I believe today is the 40th anniversary of Ali-Frazier I. I'm too young to remember it vividly. but I'm sure that Frankie and Tom can recall it blow-by-blow.

bennie wrote:I believe today is the 40th anniversary of Ali-Frazier I. I'm too young to remember it vividly. but I'm sure that Frankie and Tom can recall it blow-by-blow.

I remember one or two blows myself, especially a big left hook in round 15!

Rick Farris wrote:Charlie . . .

Spider Man will begin shooting in NYC on Saturday, April 30th thru MAy 10th.
Some of the locations are: The Hearst Bldg., 36 Fuller Place, Brooklyn, 41 West 70th Street, and a few other locations still to be determined.
I wish I could help you get your family on the set, but the security is tight on this one. I won't be on that location.

Thank You Rick. I know the PD film unit will keep all the areas clear of all people not actually working on set. I am familiar with those locations though. The Hearst Bldg is 57st & 8th Ave.
Its just a block or two from where Stillmans Gym use to be. Thanks again.

bennie wrote:I believe today is the 40th anniversary of Ali-Frazier I. I'm too young to remember it vividly. but I'm sure that Frankie and Tom can recall it blow-by-blow.

New York newspapers carrying articles on the anniv. of fight. Nothing new to report.
Joe Frazier was on hand to be in Madison Sq, Garden last nite attending NY Knicks game.
Reporter states: Frazier hardly mentioned the anniv of fight last nite. Rather Frazier said, it was about New York, the mecca of boxing at that time and was a celebration for New York.
He said that he hasnt seen Ali in person in 10 years. (Last time was at a NBA All-star game in Philly). In one line Frazier states that all ill will against Ali is long gone, but during filming of the special "Thrilla in Manilla" Ali irked him by saying all those things (Gorilla,Uncle Tom).
Ali said that it was only meant to be for promoting the fight, but Frazier said he was cut deeply by those comments and never understood why since he helped him out when he was suspended for 3 years.Frazier then said he uttered- Parkinsons disease is what he got for being mean to me. Frazier said he was sorry for such comment, and tried calling Ali over the last 10 years-but his protectors dont let him answer or call back. Frazier said he would love to be with Ali at least one more time, and hope he is okay-like himself,who now gets around with use of cane. Frazier then sang and little dance for reporters and said he is getting his old singing group back (The Knockouts) to sing again.


My father went to the fight that night. He didnt have a ticket, but John Condon got him through the security entrance and he watched with a crowd from the locker room alley leading to the ring.My father said he stood next to Joe Namath that night who wore a long white fur coat and had 3 girls with him. He then went with the crowd to PJ Clarks tavern after the fight and only celebraties were allowed in that night there.He spent the better part of the night bending elbows with boxing greats of the past.
I was 14 yrs old and listened to the fight on radio with my mom at home.

Hello all , watching an old movie on T.C.M, Two weeks in another town starring Edward G Robinson and Kirk Douglas.

Fight of the Century: Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier I

The fight was unprecedented. Two undefeated heavyweights, one the current champion, the other a champion stripped of his title and returning after an exile from boxing for refusing his draft induction. Both men had a rightful claim to the title. In the months, weeks and days leading up to the fight, the feud between Muhammad Ali and Smoking Joe Frazier took on an almost mythical and epic proportion. Forty years later, today, time has not lessened either the myth or legend, if anything, it has grown.

On March 8, 1971 the world would literally stop to watch these two men do battle. Not since the days leading up to World War II and the rematch between Joe Louis and Max Schmeling had the world given this much attention to a championship fight. Lines were drawn and sides were chosen. Ali was considered the “People’s Champion” and Frazier had been relegated by Ali as an “Uncle Tom”, though nothing could have been further from the truth.

I was a young teen when the fight took place, a junior in high school. I liked both Ali and Frazier but I honestly felt that “Smoking Joe” would win this fight. Frazier just had a way of plowing through his opponents and he owned what may be the greatest left hook in the business . I bet five bucks on Joe to win.

I will always have a special place in my heart for both Smoking Joe and Ali. We may never again see their like in the ring again doing battle against each other. In my lifetime, Frazier and Ali were the two greatest heavyweights on the planet. There have been no close seconds. This fight will always be the yardstick by which I measure every other heavyweight fight.

Over the years, Muhammad Ali has received the lion’s share of glory. He would also win the two rematches, including their final fight “The Thrilla in Manilla”, also one of boxing’s greatest heavyweight title fight. But on this night, when the world stood by with bated breath, it would be Joe Frazier that would emerge victorious. Forty years later, on this day, the glory belongs to Smoking Joe Frazier . He won the fight.

The fight was a close and exhausting battle for both fighters but it was it was the knockdown in the final round (the 15th) that clinched it for Joe. Joe’s famous left hook came through when he needed it most. As my father, the late great Andrew De La O liked to put it “Ali won two out of three but Joe got the knockdown”.

Their fights took a toll on both of them. They deserve to rest on their laurels. Where ever they are today I hope they know that boxing fans are eternally grateful for all that they gave whenever they stepped into the ring. Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali were giants!

By the way, the guy never paid the five bucks!

'' 1970S heavyweights'' ...... , though most on here are not Ali fans including myself,that being said I think the 1970s produced the greatest collection of fighters in the heavyweight division at one time where many of the contenders were recognized not just by boxing fans but by the general public, guys like Earnie Shavers, Ken Norton, Jerry Quarry,Ron Lyle, Oscar Bonavena, and of course Ali and Frazier,I can't name many of the heavyweights fighting today other than the ''k'' boys and there just flat out boring.

CNorkusJr wrote:

bennie wrote:I believe today is the 40th anniversary of Ali-Frazier I. I'm too young to remember it vividly. but I'm sure that Frankie and Tom can recall it blow-by-blow.

New York newspapers carrying articles on the anniv. of fight. Nothing new to report.
Joe Frazier was on hand to be in Madison Sq, Garden last nite attending NY Knicks game.
Reporter states: Frazier hardly mentioned the anniv of fight last nite. Rather Frazier said, it was about New York, the mecca of boxing at that time and was a celebration for New York.
He said that he hasnt seen Ali in person in 10 years. (Last time was at a NBA All-star game in Philly). In one line Frazier states that all ill will against Ali is long gone, but during filming of the special "Thrilla in Manilla" Ali irked him by saying all those things (Gorilla,Uncle Tom).
Ali said that it was only meant to be for promoting the fight, but Frazier said he was cut deeply by those comments and never understood why since he helped him out when he was suspended for 3 years.Frazier then said he uttered- Parkinsons disease is what he got for being mean to me. Frazier said he was sorry for such comment, and tried calling Ali over the last 10 years-but his protectors dont let him answer or call back. Frazier said he would love to be with Ali at least one more time, and hope he is okay-like himself,who now gets around with use of cane. Frazier then sang and little dance for reporters and said he is getting his old singing group back (The Knockouts) to sing again.


My father went to the fight that night. He didnt have a ticket, but John Condon got him through the security entrance and he watched with a crowd from the locker room alley leading to the ring.My father said he stood next to Joe Namath that night who wore a long white fur coat and had 3 girls with him. He then went with the crowd to PJ Clarks tavern after the fight and only celebraties were allowed in that night there.He spent the better part of the night bending elbows with boxing greats of the past.
I was 14 yrs old and listened to the fight on radio with my mom at home.

Frazier should translate the insults into the huge money Ali generated for him by what he said, although Joe is obviously a sensitive guy.

Movie "The Ring"...1952

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH73i4pv8NQ

bennie wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote:

bennie wrote:I believe today is the 40th anniversary of Ali-Frazier I. I'm too young to remember it vividly. but I'm sure that Frankie and Tom can recall it blow-by-blow.

New York newspapers carrying articles on the anniv. of fight. Nothing new to report.
Joe Frazier was on hand to be in Madison Sq, Garden last nite attending NY Knicks game.
Reporter states: Frazier hardly mentioned the anniv of fight last nite. Rather Frazier said, it was about New York, the mecca of boxing at that time and was a celebration for New York.
He said that he hasnt seen Ali in person in 10 years. (Last time was at a NBA All-star game in Philly). In one line Frazier states that all ill will against Ali is long gone, but during filming of the special "Thrilla in Manilla" Ali irked him by saying all those things (Gorilla,Uncle Tom).
Ali said that it was only meant to be for promoting the fight, but Frazier said he was cut deeply by those comments and never understood why since he helped him out when he was suspended for 3 years.Frazier then said he uttered- Parkinsons disease is what he got for being mean to me. Frazier said he was sorry for such comment, and tried calling Ali over the last 10 years-but his protectors dont let him answer or call back. Frazier said he would love to be with Ali at least one more time, and hope he is okay-like himself,who now gets around with use of cane. Frazier then sang and little dance for reporters and said he is getting his old singing group back (The Knockouts) to sing again.


My father went to the fight that night. He didnt have a ticket, but John Condon got him through the security entrance and he watched with a crowd from the locker room alley leading to the ring.My father said he stood next to Joe Namath that night who wore a long white fur coat and had 3 girls with him. He then went with the crowd to PJ Clarks tavern after the fight and only celebraties were allowed in that night there.He spent the better part of the night bending elbows with boxing greats of the past.
I was 14 yrs old and listened to the fight on radio with my mom at home.

Frazier should translate the insults into the huge money Ali generated for him by what he said, although Joe is obviously a sensitive guy.

Sensitivity has nothing to do with it. Ali stepped way over the line. He claimed Frazier was an uncle Tom during a very chaotic time in American history especially when it came to race. Frazier was the complete opposite of an uncle Tom, he had grown up ROUGH, his father was a sharecropper in South Carolina where racial tensions were extremely high. Obviously, this would hurt Frazier deeply because a lot of the public believed these claims Ali made.

SUGARRAYSMELEE wrote:

bennie wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote: New York newspapers carrying articles on the anniv. of fight. Nothing new to report.
Joe Frazier was on hand to be in Madison Sq, Garden last nite attending NY Knicks game.
Reporter states: Frazier hardly mentioned the anniv of fight last nite. Rather Frazier said, it was about New York, the mecca of boxing at that time and was a celebration for New York.
He said that he hasnt seen Ali in person in 10 years. (Last time was at a NBA All-star game in Philly). In one line Frazier states that all ill will against Ali is long gone, but during filming of the special "Thrilla in Manilla" Ali irked him by saying all those things (Gorilla,Uncle Tom).
Ali said that it was only meant to be for promoting the fight, but Frazier said he was cut deeply by those comments and never understood why since he helped him out when he was suspended for 3 years.Frazier then said he uttered- Parkinsons disease is what he got for being mean to me. Frazier said he was sorry for such comment, and tried calling Ali over the last 10 years-but his protectors dont let him answer or call back. Frazier said he would love to be with Ali at least one more time, and hope he is okay-like himself,who now gets around with use of cane. Frazier then sang and little dance for reporters and said he is getting his old singing group back (The Knockouts) to sing again.


My father went to the fight that night. He didnt have a ticket, but John Condon got him through the security entrance and he watched with a crowd from the locker room alley leading to the ring.My father said he stood next to Joe Namath that night who wore a long white fur coat and had 3 girls with him. He then went with the crowd to PJ Clarks tavern after the fight and only celebraties were allowed in that night there.He spent the better part of the night bending elbows with boxing greats of the past.
I was 14 yrs old and listened to the fight on radio with my mom at home.

Frazier should translate the insults into the huge money Ali generated for him by what he said, although Joe is obviously a sensitive guy.

Sensitivity has nothing to do with it. Ali stepped way over the line. He claimed Frazier was an uncle Tom during a very chaotic time in American history especially when it came to race. Frazier was the complete opposite of an uncle Tom, he had grown up ROUGH, his father was a sharecropper in South Carolina where racial tensions were extremely high. Obviously, this would hurt Frazier deeply because a lot of the public believed these claims Ali made.

No debate, here. You obviously know the era. One question I've always wanted to ask: was Frazier also called up for 'Nam?

My understanding is Frazier's status as a married man with children meant he was eligible for some kind of deferement and thus was never drafted.

kikibalt wrote:Movie "The Ring"...1952

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH73i4pv8NQ

I was Watching this after you posted it this morning, but fell asleep after about ten minutes, Rita Mereno, I watched her when I was a kid on the series Electric company back in the early 1970s, Morgan Freeman was also on there before he became famous.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Movie "The Ring"...1952

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH73i4pv8NQ

I was Watching this after you posted it this morning, but fell asleep after about ten minutes, Rita Mereno, I watched her when I was a kid on the series Electric company back in the early 1970s, Morgan Freeman was also on there before he became famous.

Did you get to see the gym scenes?, if you did, that was the Teamsters gym where I used trained and where my boys started their careers in the early '60's.