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joshj909 wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 12:04

tonyevs wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 11:42

tonyevs wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 11:41

Class by Krassyuk

Is the mention of debts linked to Fury's rant at Bob and fWank?

My first thoughts were that it meant the deposit that Frank lost on Wembley for 29th April. It could be the rant though.

I think it goes back a lot further than that. I've even heard suggested Meaty Mick gets a %! He did go very quietly. Bob put a lot in for Tyson

Fury ranted about a 10 fight deal - that's obviously nonsense because it would need Fury fighting regularly for at least 3 years .. he has cearly proved his unreliability and to be a nightmare to work with; at this stage anything more than a 2 fight deal is a big risk.

I'm wondering if he has previously taken loans on future earnings - and after his ducking of AJ last year and Usyk recently - people are nervous of getting their return and pressuring for repayments .. hence the tantrum on insta.

Or it could very well be that Tyson Fury simply wants out of whatever deal he has. I can see him going the route of Floyd Mayweather and creating your own promotion, facing opponents on your own time and your own money deals.

Ever since he's not been allowed to fight in America his career has basically went stagnant. Whyte and Chisora. Nothing else. Sure you can throw a big part of the blame on him, but it does make me wonder just how good Warren and Arum actually are anymore.

I mean I don't think Dubois has even got a deal yet and he's supposed to be the mandatory, lol. So maybe it was Warren's fault after all for Fury-Usyk collapsing.

Is Fury banned from the US?

He is right at end of his career now. Fans deserted en mass over the Usyk duck .. they won't buy into his nonsense of promising to fight the best and then fighting soft touches and blaming everyone else.

Plus he's simply not as bright as Mayweather .. and top simple to realise it.

Yeah, it was clear to see that Warren was the one advising Fury to head off to Tenerife on holiday with 10 weeks to go, to faff around in Saudi Arabia with 6 weeks to go, to not even bother setting up a training camp or get sparring partners in place, to lie about Sugar Hill being in the UK to train Fury when he wasn't, to demand a 70/30 split, then to renege on that agreement when Usyk accepted. Yup, quite some influence old Fwank has over Fury, clearly all Warren's fault.

The Gratest wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 13:00
Fury must realise by now he'll forever have a * against his legacy if he doesn't fight Usyk. Krassyuk and Usyk appear to know that as well.

He’s not (currently) a ‘legacy’ fighter

In August next year Fury will turn 36. I don't buy he's going to be viable athlete very much longer. I reckon he's got a year and a bit to do something.

polecateddy wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 18:52 In August next year Fury will turn 36. I don't buy he's going to be viable athlete very much longer. I reckon he's got a year and a bit to do something.

Usyk already is 36.

How long you reckon he's got?

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 20:15

polecateddy wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 18:52 In August next year Fury will turn 36. I don't buy he's going to be viable athlete very much longer. I reckon he's got a year and a bit to do something.

Usyk already is 36.

How long you reckon he's got?

Longer than the bottle job. Usyk doesn't go on drug and drink fuelled binges between boxing matches.

If Fury-Usyk ever happens it will be in December in Saudi Arabia and I think Fury wins a truly interesting contest.

Usyk's skillset combined with his agility for a heavyweight make him a very tough ask for most in the heavyweight division. Fury is an entirely different beast though. He is bigger, stronger and the skill difference won't be enough to tilt the scales against him.

That said, if Fury comes in in poor shape or without his mind completely focused on the job, Usyk can create the upset.

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 20:50

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 20:15

polecateddy wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 18:52 In August next year Fury will turn 36. I don't buy he's going to be viable athlete very much longer. I reckon he's got a year and a bit to do something.

Usyk already is 36.

How long you reckon he's got?

Longer than the bottle job. Usyk doesn't go on drug and drink fuelled binges between boxing matches.

I reckon an athlete whose strengths are speed, reflexes, quickness, etc is more likely to get slower and easier to hit with the passage of age as opposed to someone who has adapted to another style to compensate their losses in mobility.

I mean when is the last time you know of someone 36+ who was heavyweight champion? Walcott was 37. Lennox Lewis was 38 at retirement. Ali was also 38 in his last victory. Foreman regained the title at 45 and remained lineal champion until 49. He was the exception, not the rule. Vitali Klitschko was 42. Wladimir Klitschko was 41.

Other than Walcott and Ali, the thing that is similar in those examples is that they were big heavyweights who relied on power and IQ versus speed and IQ.

So Fury's waiting for Usyk to ferment and turn shit before he fights him then.

tonyevs wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 14:58 Is Fury banned from the US?

He is right at end of his career now. Fans deserted en mass over the Usyk duck .. they won't buy into his nonsense of promising to fight the best and then fighting soft touches and blaming everyone else.

Plus he's simply not as bright as Mayweather .. and top simple to realise it.

I don’t think anyone knows. I’m pretty sure he hasn’t been over there since it all kicked off. Arum says he isn’t banned but it’s not like they would have released a list of people banned.

Big John on Sugar-Hill

"He was nobody before Tyson took him on board, he was sweeping up his uncle’s gym doing nothing.”

Sweeping the floor .. doing nothing

Tyson Fury stating if Jon Jones got in the ring with him only Fury would be leaving that room

P1g sh1t thick the both of them

tonyevs wrote: ↑20 May 2023, 03:51 Big John on Sugar-Hill

"He was nobody before Tyson took him on board, he was sweeping up his uncle’s gym doing nothing.”

Sweeping the floor .. doing nothing

Tyson Fury stating if Jon Jones got in the ring with him only Fury would be leaving that room

P1g sh1t thick the both of them

Big John hates any man who may have some sort of influence over his son because he wants to live through Tyson by getting him to do what he wants to do. Embarrassing really.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑20 May 2023, 01:46

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 20:50

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 20:15

Usyk already is 36.

How long you reckon he's got?

Longer than the bottle job. Usyk doesn't go on drug and drink fuelled binges between boxing matches.

they were big heavyweights who relied on power and IQ.

That rules Fury out, then.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 May 2023, 03:39

It's always someone else's fault that big fights with Fury don't happen.

Fury has promised Parker a world title shot if he wins his next fight.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 May 2023, 06:18 Fury has promised Parker a world title shot if he wins his next fight.

Fury will def give Parker a shot

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 May 2023, 03:39

What a pathetic excuse for a journalist.

When someone makes a ludicrous statement like that, call them out on it. Everyone knows Fury ducked Usyk, but rather than do his job and actually press Fury on it, this lickspittle just chuckles and then moves on.

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑22 May 2023, 22:36

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 May 2023, 03:39

What a pathetic excuse for a journalist.

When someone makes a ludicrous statement like that, call them out on it. Everyone knows Fury ducked Usyk, but rather than do his job and actually press Fury on it, this lickspittle just chuckles and then moves on.

Jai McAllister.. He's had his page since 1 Nov 2015..

Covers Aus and NZ scene

Was probably his first ever Fury interview..