Classic American West Coast Boxing

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raylawpc wrote:Well, it's true Frank. Since I've gotten to know you, I've spent my share of time looking at Tony's and Frankie's records. I think you did a great job. You gave the boys exactly the right mix of confidence building fights and learning experiences in their early years then, when they were ready, true challenges. I think you did a marvelous job. Both boys were legitimate contenders.

If either one of my boys had been boxers, I would have wanted you to manage them.
Thanks Tom

With Frankie's career for the first year I and only I made the career decisions, then Jackie came in as co-manager and the decisions were made mutually, after five years I was again making the decisions by myself. I have to give credit where credit is due.

With Tony from the get go I was the only one making the decisions. In '92 when I talked Frankie into retirement, I too retired from boxing, Tony went on to have a few more fight with Jimmy Montoya. Jimmy had worked with us for sometime so Tony was comfortable with Jimmy....
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raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Isn't it true that we are all trying to say the same thing? That an early dose of confidence builders is a good thing, so long as they don't become a habit.
Yes. And sometimes a late dose is good, too, if your fighter has lost a couple of big ones and his confidence might be lagging.
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After all, he was the one who exposed the ABCTV-Ring Magazine-USA boxing championship fraud back in the mid-1970s.
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I guess Flash and Don King aren't exactly friends? :lol:
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For awhile, Flash Gordon called Don King, "Dung King."

By the way, it may be that Flash use to say "stiffs teach you nothing" rather than "stiffs don't teach you nothing," but you get the idea either way.

I think that Flash started in producing a boxing publication which he sold at boxing venues located in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. In his prime, he must've an incrediable amount of energy to produce his weekly boxing publication by himself. But he appeared to burn out in the middle 1960s.

I use to subscribe to Flash's publication because it was very informative and entertaining. He also did not hesitate to state his opinion.

At the time, I also use to subscribe to the weekly British publication, Boxing News. Jack Fiske's great boxing column in the San Francisco Chronicle also was something I tried read on a regular basis. For coverage about Los Angeles boxing, the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner was the best for English speaking fans.

- Chuck Johnston
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Certain journeymen or clubfighters may not be worthy competition for a number of top fighters, but could be match up well with others.

Tony Fuente sparred with Jack Dempsey, but didn't fight him in a regular bout. Both Fuente and Dempsey had Fred Winsor as a manager, but not at the same time.

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Alexander Martinez: I Can Remember The Snapped Left Simi Hook Tony Baltazar Delivered in 58 secs. of the 1st. round KO to John Montes Jr.. Tony a Young Gentelmen in letting him fall face down to the canvas without delivery another Blow. Lesson To Life is that it only takes a Split Second to change one's road in life. Good or Bad. You Choose.
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Chuck1052 wrote:Certain journeymen or clubfighters may not be worthy competition for a number of top fighters, but could be match up well with others.

Tony Fuente sparred with Jack Dempsey, but didn't fight him in a regular bout. Both Fuente and Dempsey had Fred Winsor as a manager, but not at the same time.

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You are right Chuck, Tony Fuente did not fight Dempsey, it was Max Baer that he fought.
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kikibalt wrote:Alexander Martinez: I Can Remember The Snapped Left Simi Hook Tony Baltazar Delivered in 58 secs. of the 1st. round KO to John Montes Jr.. Tony a Young Gentelmen in letting him fall face down to the canvas without delivery another Blow. Lesson To Life is that it only takes a Split Second to change one's road in life. Good or Bad. You Choose.
It certainly wasn't the first time Tony saw an opponent fall after landing the hook.
Much earlier in this thread, a photo shows a 4-year-old Tony dropping another Pee-Wee in the Jr. Golden Gloves.
I think Tony was well aware that nothing more would be necessary. :OhYes:
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Some interesting history . . .


Tony Fuentes fight with Fred Fulton:
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1924-11-17 Fred Fulton 79-11-2
Culver City Arena, Culver City, California, United States W KO 1 4
referee: Earl Mohan
Fulton "took a dive" 35 seconds after the opening bell, it was later determined. The crowd rioted and threw "storms of cushions into the ring." (AP) It was later alleged Fulton had taken an extra $7,500 to "lie down." His manager admitted to investigating boxing officials that Fulton had warned his friends to refrain from betting on him. Fulton was arrested for violating state law prohibiting prize-fighting; meanwhile authorities searched for Fuente, who dumped manager Winsor. Fulton later proclaimed he was done with boxing, because of this whole mess.
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Fuente was KOed by George Manley in 42 seconds.
Manley woud lose three times to Young Firpo, once by KO.
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Tony Fuente's record is impressive.
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Tony Fuente

birth date 1902-08-19
heavyweight
height 6′ 2″ / 188cm
alias Kid Shine
country Mexico
residence Los Angeles, California, United States
birth place Prescott, Arizona, United States
birth name Antonio De La Fuente
won 74 (KO 45) + lost 32 (KO 17) + drawn 10 = 116
Newspaper Decisions won 2 : lost 2 : drawn
Total Bouts 120


A lot of tough fights during a 13 year career.
He fought some of the best.
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I bought "The Fighter" DVD and watched it again.
My favorite scene is Amy Adams brawling with one of the sisters on the front porch! :OhYes:
My kinda girl. :lol:
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It's 5:01am, had my coffee and leaving for work. Are you sleeping in, Frank?
Have a great day guys!
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Rick Farris wrote:It's 5:01am, had my coffee and leaving for work. Are you sleeping in, Frank?
Have a great day guys!
Yeah!!, I over slept this AM.... :witzend:
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Rick Farris wrote:I bought "The Fighter" DVD and watched it again.
My favorite scene is Amy Adams brawling with one of the sisters on the front porch! :OhYes:
My kinda girl. :lol:
Doesn't that scene remind you of the Quarry women??
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"La Primavera" my favorite time of the year...

Time for nature's two-legged creatures (that's us) to frolic with wild abandon!!
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Did anyone catch that joke of a world heavyweight title fight? Jesus, Solis is fat and Klitschko creaking like an old iron gate. Haye should definitely target old man Vitali.
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bennie wrote:Did anyone catch that joke of a world heavyweight title fight? Jesus, Solis is fat and Klitschko creaking like an old iron gate. Haye should definitely target old man Vitali.
I seen it after the fact (news). This is the era of the FAT heavyweights, and I refuse to watch that crap... :OhYes:
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5931235

A sad tale on Victor Rabanales, although he looks well.
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kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:I bought "The Fighter" DVD and watched it again.
My favorite scene is Amy Adams brawling with one of the sisters on the front porch! :OhYes:
My kinda girl. :lol:
Doesn't that scene remind you of the Quarry women??
Reminds me of that night at the El Monte Legion Stadium in 1969. :x :lol:
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Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:I bought "The Fighter" DVD and watched it again.
My favorite scene is Amy Adams brawling with one of the sisters on the front porch! :OhYes:
My kinda girl. :lol:
Doesn't that scene remind you of the Quarry women??
Reminds me of that night at the El Monte Legion Stadium in 1969. :x :lol:
:lol: :OhYes: :lol: :OhYes:
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Image

Art Aragon & Carmen Basilio with Clayton Fry....Al Silvani on the far left??
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kikibalt wrote:Image

Art Aragon & Carmen Basilio with Clayton Fry....Al Silvani on the far lelf??

Was Silvani working with Basilio?
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Good Evening Men, Just got back from from The Sunshine State,and so aptly named.
Thank You for your well wishes as I perused the last few pages and catch up to the topics at hand. 82 degree days with bright sunshine made for a wonderful trip and time in the Atlantic Ocean daily.Beach Wedding was excellent with The perigee "moon" making for great photos on the beach/surf at night. Will post a few when ready.

New York- Came home to wet weather 50 degrees with 2 inches left to the towns just west/north of NYC. Expect 1-2 inches here Tues-Wed. Not much-but to give you an idea whats here.
Managed to squeeze in a Ring 8 meeting this past Tues nite(week ago). Author Tom Hauser was guest speaker at this meeting.Spoke on Ali Biography he wrote and new fiction book he just published.Actress Ashley Hill on hand also.
They have a good shot of bringing in Chuck Wepner to our next meeting (in April) with all NY Golden Glove Finalists to make them all honorary members for a year. Never done before-but its an initiative to get young boxers to be aware of the group and come to meetings and learn from the "old guys" what the comraderie is like and know they can get great ongoing info from NY state Commission and any changes.
Talk of Ernie Shavers and Tommy Hearns being lined up as possible guests at December's Holiday Luncheon to start with.Will keep you posted.
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Chuck1052 wrote:For awhile, Flash Gordon called Don King, "Dung King."

By the way, it may be that Flash use to say "stiffs teach you nothing" rather than "stiffs don't teach you nothing," but you get the idea either way.

I think that Flash started in producing a boxing publication which he sold at boxing venues located in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. In his prime, he must've an incrediable amount of energy to produce his weekly boxing publication by himself. But he appeared to burn out in the middle 1960s.

I use to subscribe to Flash's publication because it was very informative and entertaining. He also did not hesitate to state his opinion.

At the time, I also use to subscribe to the weekly British publication, Boxing News. Jack Fiske's great boxing column in the San Francisco Chronicle also was something I tried read on a regular basis. For coverage about Los Angeles boxing, the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner was the best for English speaking fans.

- Chuck Johnston
I remember "Flash" roaming the ringsides here in NY arenas in the 70's & 80's. He was a man on a mission and was considered quite "quirky" in his mannerisms.He did however get his interviews and published timely articles when in downstate NY -fight nites were weekly or every two weeks.I thought he wrote good stuff, but I saw numerous "officials" avoid him if a controversial decision was made.He didn't quite have that reputation as a "made" newspaperman like Mike Waters,Bill Gallo or Mike Katz,or media men like Art Rusk Jr and Bert Sugar here.
I remember he handed out one or two page briefs to the other writers and photogs on hand before the card started of his previous writings and insights.
He was very up on the news and I thought more on the ball than Lew Eskine's rigged "Ring" reports.

Back in the 50's. Eddie Borden wrote "Boxing Weekly" covering New Jersey & New York and could be had at arenas for 25 cents. It was not an official program-but gave you fight updates and a few articles on the big news.You could contact Eddie at the old Forrest Hotel on 47th St in NYC. The same place where Carbo & Palermo set up shop with the IBC and Jim Norris. I wasnt around then,but if the shoe fits.
It was my observation and inside info that all writers for any periodicals could be bought for a certain price to help soften the blow to losers, and go into great details to the winners.
Magrs paid a nice price for "features" that would attract more at the gate (hence a bigger slice of the pie).
If anything-Flash Gordon didnt get paid(take) a red cent. Hence his true honesty.
Also I remember, Before & During his Chairmanship of the NYS Boxing Comm.,Randy Gordon despised being mistaken for Flash Gordon. I remember him being set-up a few times by "officials" in telling out of state fighters/trainers and whoever,that Randy was "Flash" pointing him out,and them going over to him in hopes of getting into print. It was pretty funny to watch everyone's faces involved.

I think Flash burnt out in the late 80's here as boxing cards became more rare than the norm,with many of the smaller arenas shuttering forever.
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Excuse my English, but Randy Gordon comes across as a right pretentious twat.
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