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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 13:15
by Ric
Rick Farris wrote:She started out as a child star, and just kept going. I never worked with her but my grandfather did on his last film, "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf." Here is some irony, today I'm working on stage-27 at Sony Studios. Sony was MGM until the late 80's, and this was one of the stages used for "National Velvet", Ms. Taylor's first big film. She is Hollywood Royalty, rest in peace.
Rick, how do you guys remember what stages were used for what films? Is it is just info handed down from person-to-person? Is there a log-book?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 14:22
by Rick Farris
Ric wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:She started out as a child star, and just kept going. I never worked with her but my grandfather did on his last film, "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf." Here is some irony, today I'm working on stage-27 at Sony Studios. Sony was MGM until the late 80's, and this was one of the stages used for "National Velvet", Ms. Taylor's first big film. She is Hollywood Royalty, rest in peace.
Rick, how do you guys remember what stages were used for what films? Is it is just info handed down from person-to-person? Is there a log-book?
I know many from stories I was told while working on various studio lots. However, in this case, many of the studios have a plaque near the main entrance to stages listing some of the most well known productions. Stage 27 has such a plaque and one of the films listed was National Velvet, as well as The Wizard of Oz, King Kong, Cannery Row, Rocky-4, etc.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 15:00
by kikibalt
Image

Ric, you have the above photo as the Hollywood Legion Stadium on BoxRec photo gallery,
it is not the legion, that photo looks like an early photo of the Olympic Auditorium, below is
a photo of the legion....The legion did not have a gallery.

Image

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 15:02
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Image

Ric, you have the above photo as the Hollywood Legion Stadium on BoxRec photo gallery,
it is not the legion, that photo looks like an early photo of the Olympic Auditorium, below is
a photo of the legion....The legion did not have a gallery.

Image


The top photo is definitly the Olympic Auditorium.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 16:04
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image

Ric, you have the above photo as the Hollywood Legion Stadium on BoxRec photo gallery,
it is not the legion, that photo looks like an early photo of the Olympic Auditorium, below is
a photo of the legion....The legion did not have a gallery.

Image


The top photo is definitly the Olympic Auditorium.
Ah!!, what would we do without memories. I remember how as a kid I seen so many great fights from that famous balcony, I can still see the flying blown up condoms, the flying rolls of toilet paper, and of course the ladies panties. Sometimes the fights were just a side show...fights now days??...I'll take the memories.... :OhYes: :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 16:53
by kikibalt
Image

June 26,1982

Los Angeles, California, United States

Frankie Baltazar W Abe Perez KO 2 10

Henry Contreras W Manuel Cruz KO 1

Tony Baltazar W Raul Bencomo KO 2

John Montes W Manuel Abedoy KO 2

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 17:05
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Image

June 26,1982

Los Angeles, California, United States

Frankie Baltazar W Abe Perez KO 2 10

Henry Contreras W Manuel Cruz KO 1

Tony Baltazar W Raul Bencomo KO 2

John Montes W Manuel Abedoy KO 2
:TU: :TU: :OhYes:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 17:57
by CNorkusJr
raylawpc wrote:
CNorkusJr wrote:Tom-read your post above. I think that is wonderful that you watch your son's interest in the MMa and he in turn looks to you on talking about boxing. I am sure you are relaying some great info on the history of the sport to them. Here in NY you can order the MMA PPV matches or you can get whatever highlights ESPN offers on their new recaps.
I dont order MMA matches, I really dont have an interest at all in the sport, right or wrong.
I was brought up on boxing and like randy pretty much a purist in that sense.
It doesnt bother me one bit that MMA exists either. If it succeeds and shows it does no more long-term damage than another sport-so be it.
There is talk here that if it ever gets the OK in New York, that it is very much possible of putting on mixed cards shows. Thinking it would draw both MMA types mixed with boxing fans. A few polls were taken on this and as you can imagine, MMA fans overwhelming said "Yes" they would attend. (They want any opening they can to get MMA here).
Boxing fans said they would walk away from the sport all together was the 95% opinion of them.I think polls like those taken have influenced the Athletic Comm. thought pattern to date.
A clip of some MMA championship was shown after the Klitschko fight clip HL the other night on ESPN. I watched as the MMA Champ continued to knee his opponent in the head consecutively while he was defenseless on the ground and against the cage.It could have been UFC-I really dont know the difference between the two.
They might be weak punchers-but kneeing to the head on a guy not defending himself until stopped by the ref I think is bad. I have no interest in the sport.
First, I want to stress that I AM NOT AN MMA FAN. I watch MMA because it gives me a chance to hang out with my sons. They both have busy lives, and this is a chance to hang out, have a beer together, and share a few laughs. Because they know I’m not into MMA, they watch the fights with me so that we can do something together that they know I will enjoy.

Your post surprised me because I’ve never seen anyone get kneed to the head in any MMA fights that I’ve watched. So I went to one of the experts: My son says kneeing a downed opponent is illegal in the UFC, but legal in Pride Fighting and Japanese MMA. Since I’ve only seen UFC, that explains why I’ve never seen it in any MMA fight I’ve watched.

Again, I AM NOT AN MMA FAN!
Tom, I never insinuated you were a fan of MMA or any other Defense match like those. I simply stated that I thought it was great that you can relate to each others interests in each others preferences. I think it is a great advantage for you to have your sons explain their feelings on "why" they like MMA or any other leagues. There are only 2 cousins I have who are known to me who have any interest in it. They are in their 20's,but I see them rarely and dont have discussions on the sport with them.They can probably clear up any "rulings" questions I have.
I also think that its great that your sons have you to talk about boxing history with.(If they do).
We got a pizza delivery last week,and the delivery kid came in and I had video of Walcott-Marciano fight on. The kid stated he liked boxing. He asked who I was watching. When I told him he said he heard of Marciano, but didnt know anything really about him. Forget Walcott-no clue.He sat down and had a slice with me. We watched the fight for the last two Rds. He was interested in the history I gave him. He said he was going on you tube to watch others. He did not know boxing was on Youtube. Gave him a tip and a video of my fathers fight with Joe Rowan. Nice kid. He did say that he hopes Pac-man fights Mayweather soon-I was impressed.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 18:02
by CNorkusJr
kikibalt wrote:Image

June 26,1982

Los Angeles, California, United States

Frankie Baltazar W Abe Perez KO 2 10

Henry Contreras W Manuel Cruz KO 1

Tony Baltazar W Raul Bencomo KO 2

John Montes W Manuel Abedoy KO 2
Absolutely Great Frank. :OhYes: :TU: :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 20:49
by kikibalt
CNorkusJr wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image

June 26,1982

Los Angeles, California, United States

Frankie Baltazar W Abe Perez KO 2 10

Henry Contreras W Manuel Cruz KO 1

Tony Baltazar W Raul Bencomo KO 2

John Montes W Manuel Abedoy KO 2
Absolutely Great Frank. :OhYes: :TU: :TU:
Thanks Charlie, it was always great to see the boys name on the Olympic marquee.... :OhYes:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 20:57
by Ric
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image

Ric, you have the above photo as the Hollywood Legion Stadium on BoxRec photo gallery,
it is not the legion, that photo looks like an early photo of the Olympic Auditorium, below is
a photo of the legion....The legion did not have a gallery.

Image


The top photo is definitly the Olympic Auditorium.
Thanks, Frank & Rick. I'll fix it now.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 22:35
by CNorkusJr
Rick Farris wrote:Dancing With The Stars . . . Leonard on "Hands of Stone"

Dan Hanley and I have a partner in our boxing interview productions and that's cinematographer Greg Patterson, who's camera work helps define our work.
For the last couple of weeks, Greg has been the Lighting Director on the "Dancing With The Stars" series, and one of this season's dancers is Sugar Ray Leonard.
Greg didn't pass up an opportunity to speak with the former world champ and asked him just one question about his career, "Who hit harder, Duran or Hearns?"
Greg was surprised by Leonard's candor, "Duran hit harder than Hearns, and he hit harder than Hagler too. Duran was the hardest puncher I faced."

Greg is always behind the camera when we record interviews, but I wish he'd have got Leonard's response when cameras were rolling.
That was a keeper!
That is a keeper ! Great post. It seemed to me that Hearns punch-counts were always high.Not just with Leonards', but with everybody. The image I have of him is these off-balance straight arms.
Duran on the other hand looked like he put his legs into his punches more-hence his power.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 22:57
by raylawpc
CNorkusJr wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
CNorkusJr wrote:Tom-read your post above. I think that is wonderful that you watch your son's interest in the MMa and he in turn looks to you on talking about boxing. I am sure you are relaying some great info on the history of the sport to them. Here in NY you can order the MMA PPV matches or you can get whatever highlights ESPN offers on their new recaps.
I dont order MMA matches, I really dont have an interest at all in the sport, right or wrong.
I was brought up on boxing and like randy pretty much a purist in that sense.
It doesnt bother me one bit that MMA exists either. If it succeeds and shows it does no more long-term damage than another sport-so be it.
There is talk here that if it ever gets the OK in New York, that it is very much possible of putting on mixed cards shows. Thinking it would draw both MMA types mixed with boxing fans. A few polls were taken on this and as you can imagine, MMA fans overwhelming said "Yes" they would attend. (They want any opening they can to get MMA here).
Boxing fans said they would walk away from the sport all together was the 95% opinion of them.I think polls like those taken have influenced the Athletic Comm. thought pattern to date.
A clip of some MMA championship was shown after the Klitschko fight clip HL the other night on ESPN. I watched as the MMA Champ continued to knee his opponent in the head consecutively while he was defenseless on the ground and against the cage.It could have been UFC-I really dont know the difference between the two.
They might be weak punchers-but kneeing to the head on a guy not defending himself until stopped by the ref I think is bad. I have no interest in the sport.
First, I want to stress that I AM NOT AN MMA FAN. I watch MMA because it gives me a chance to hang out with my sons. They both have busy lives, and this is a chance to hang out, have a beer together, and share a few laughs. Because they know I’m not into MMA, they watch the fights with me so that we can do something together that they know I will enjoy.

Your post surprised me because I’ve never seen anyone get kneed to the head in any MMA fights that I’ve watched. So I went to one of the experts: My son says kneeing a downed opponent is illegal in the UFC, but legal in Pride Fighting and Japanese MMA. Since I’ve only seen UFC, that explains why I’ve never seen it in any MMA fight I’ve watched.

Again, I AM NOT AN MMA FAN!
Tom, I never insinuated you were a fan of MMA or any other Defense match like those. I simply stated that I thought it was great that you can relate to each others interests in each others preferences. I think it is a great advantage for you to have your sons explain their feelings on "why" they like MMA or any other leagues. There are only 2 cousins I have who are known to me who have any interest in it. They are in their 20's,but I see them rarely and dont have discussions on the sport with them.They can probably clear up any "rulings" questions I have.
I also think that its great that your sons have you to talk about boxing history with.(If they do).
We got a pizza delivery last week,and the delivery kid came in and I had video of Walcott-Marciano fight on. The kid stated he liked boxing. He asked who I was watching. When I told him he said he heard of Marciano, but didnt know anything really about him. Forget Walcott-no clue.He sat down and had a slice with me. We watched the fight for the last two Rds. He was interested in the history I gave him. He said he was going on you tube to watch others. He did not know boxing was on Youtube. Gave him a tip and a video of my fathers fight with Joe Rowan. Nice kid. He did say that he hopes Pac-man fights Mayweather soon-I was impressed.
I know you weren’t insinuating anything Charlie. I was trying to be funny with the ALL CAPS.

I will tell you what I think is a funny story about my boys and MMA. My oldest son, although an MMA fan, likes boxing, respects boxers, and enjoys my stories. But my youngest son used to defend the MMA guys to hilt when I would criticize their “striking.” A couple of years ago, my youngest son was over at the house and ESPN was rebroadcasting the Bob Foster-Mike Quarry fight. I said, “you want to see some striking, watch this fight.” As the fight progressed to the end of the fourth round, I said, “Now watch closely,” and about that time, Foster pollaxed Mike with that left hook. I turned to my son, and asked, “Ever see anybody strike like that in the UFC?” “No, he admitted-his eyes bugging out of his head :o , “I’ve never seen a punch like that in my life . . .” :o

A few months ago, my son and one of his buddies were at the house talking about the upcoming James Toney-Randy Couture UFC fight. His friend was speculating how badly the UFC guy would beat Toney. My son agreed, but then said, “But not if Toney hits him before Couture can get him on the ground. It's all over if Toney lands . . .”

I think I’m making progress. :OhYes: :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 23:07
by raylawpc
kikibalt wrote:Image

Ric, you have the above photo as the Hollywood Legion Stadium on BoxRec photo gallery,
it is not the legion, that photo looks like an early photo of the Olympic Auditorium, below is
a photo of the legion....The legion did not have a gallery.

Image
Frank, I read somewhere that the Olympic Auditorium was the only arena in the nation designed specifically for boxing. Have you ever heard that?

Also, was the Hollywood stadium originally an open air arena? Seems like the read that somewhere too.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Mar 2011, 23:23
by Rick Farris
CNorkusJr wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Dancing With The Stars . . . Leonard on "Hands of Stone"

Dan Hanley and I have a partner in our boxing interview productions and that's cinematographer Greg Patterson, who's camera work helps define our work.
For the last couple of weeks, Greg has been the Lighting Director on the "Dancing With The Stars" series, and one of this season's dancers is Sugar Ray Leonard.
Greg didn't pass up an opportunity to speak with the former world champ and asked him just one question about his career, "Who hit harder, Duran or Hearns?"
Greg was surprised by Leonard's candor, "Duran hit harder than Hearns, and he hit harder than Hagler too. Duran was the hardest puncher I faced."

Greg is always behind the camera when we record interviews, but I wish he'd have got Leonard's response when cameras were rolling.
That was a keeper!
That is a keeper ! Great post. It seemed to me that Hearns punch-counts were always high.Not just with Leonards', but with everybody. The image I have of him is these off-balance straight arms.
Duran on the other hand looked like he put his legs into his punches more-hence his power.
Charlie, I don't know where Duran's power comes from, but it's beyond the legs, the body.
Duran's power and energy surpasses the normal human being. Without question.
My opinion, but anybody who was close to Duran for more than a minute will understand what I'm saying.
Anybody who stepped into a ring with Roberto Duran was treated like somebody who had entered his domain, his house, you were trying to steal something.
He didn't care if you were a pro, amateur, bigger, smaller, whatever, you were going to feel his power.
I loved Duran for the way he beat up an over-rated superstar, Sugar Ray Leonard. Leonard had his strengths, Duran was just stronger, a true great.
The "No Mas" thing reflected something in the nature of the great Duran that people could not relate to. He defied his legend. But he came back anyway.
Duran is a little crazy. All fighters are a little crazy?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 03:41
by Boxingnut
kikibalt wrote:Image

June 26,1982

Los Angeles, California, United States

Frankie Baltazar W Abe Perez KO 2 10

Henry Contreras W Manuel Cruz KO 1

Tony Baltazar W Raul Bencomo KO 2

John Montes W Manuel Abedoy KO 2
Cool pic Frank. How good was Montes? I already know how good your boys were.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 03:43
by Boxingnut
kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image

John Liechty and Eddie 'Animal' Lopez
Circa..1980
Frank, great photo, if only "Animal" had stayed away from the bars and bar fights, his career might have been different.... Maybe. Still, I always liked him. His last fight was with Tony Tucker.He was stopped in the 9th round. He fought to a draw with Leon Spinks. He had the same mentality as Tex Cobb. Do you know whatever happened to him?

Randy :box:
Randy, I kept hearing that Eddie was in and out of jail, but then I heard from his niece about two years ago and she said he was doing fine and that he was staying out of trouble. In 1973 we took a team of amateurs down to Baja to fight, we camped at the beach during our stay there, which was about three nights, one night Eddie and Frankie came riding into camp on horseback, somehow, somewhere they found some horses, I told them to get rid of the horses, I also told them: "don't you guys know that they still hang horse thieves in Mexico?", they jump off the horses as fast as they could, with a sign of relief they hit the horses in the ass and watch them run off, we didn't have a hanging party that night.... :lol:
Just found a pic of Eddie The Animal, Sly Stallone and Burgess Meredith when filming Rocky 2 at the Main St gym. Will try to post in the next couple of days.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 05:51
by Rick Farris
It's 2:45am. Have to be at work at 4am today. :witzend:
Frank? You awake??? :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 07:42
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:It's 2:45am. Have to be at work at 4am today. :witzend:
Frank? You awake??? :lol:
Its 4:41 in the AM and I just woke up, have a great day, Rick....

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 08:09
by kikibalt
raylawpc wrote:Frank, I read somewhere that the Olympic Auditorium was the only arena in the nation designed specifically for boxing. Have you ever heard that?

Also, was the Hollywood stadium originally an open air arena? Seems like the read that somewhere too.
Tom, I really don't know much about either place before my time, Hap would be the man to know....

From BoxRec Encyclopaedia

"The Hollywood (American) Legion Stadium was one of the two major boxing venues of Los Angeles from the 1920s on, the other being the Olympic Auditorium. It was the most stable and most successful venue in California during the 1920s and 1930s. Its cards were held on Fridays. It opened as an 8,000-seat venue August 12, 1921 under the auspices of World War I veterans, American Legion Post No. 43. It was closed for a short time to add an arched roof over the formerly open-air venue, and reopened Dec. 16, 1921. It once again was closed briefly on July 11, 1923, to sink the boxing ring six feet, increasing the pitch of ringside seats so that all patrons had a good view of the ring, and to add a ventilation system that recycled the air every 10 minutes. According to the Los Angeles Times of the day, the venue then accommodated 5,100 people. (Other sources say the seating was reduced to 4,500.) A second version of this venue opened in late 1938 with a capacity of about 6,300. Black boxers were not allowed to fight here until 1940.

On March 15, 1952, shows moved from the regular Friday night slot to Saturday nights. The reason for the move was the televising of boxing shows from the East Coast on Friday nights, which had eroded attendance and made sell-outs rare. With the move, the Legion Stadium intended to televise their shows as well, showing them locally on television station KECA.

The Hollywood Legion Stadium closed in 1959. At present (2009), it is the Legion Lanes Bowling Alley on Gower Boulevard, up the street from the Paramount Studios."



"One of the most storied venues in boxing history, the "Grand Olympic Auditorium," located at 1801 South Grand Avenue in Los Angeles, CA, USA, opened August 5, 1925 to a crowd of jewel-clad Hollywood film stars, prominent tuxedoed citizens, and other "common" folk. (Then-World Champion Jack Dempsey earlier had shoveled the first pile of dirt for the groundbreaking ceremony.) The original seating capacity was 10,400 (this included "standing-room only" patrons). It had one huge ground floor, with the boxing ring at its center. It also had an enormous balcony that stretched diagonally away in every direction toward the roof. The boxers' dressing rooms and showers were on the southern side of the basement floor.

The Olympic had weekly boxing shows during the 1920s, '30s, and '40s -- usually on Tuesday nights. It later shifted to Thursdays during the 1950s. After the Hollywood Legion Stadium shut down in 1959, the Olympic's shows moved to Fridays and Saturdays, and ran continuously until 1980. The Olympic Auditorium ran spot shows during the early 1980s, before closing later that decade. It had lost much of its luster due to age and the decay of its surrounding neighborhood.

In the late 1980s it was refurbished extensively and its seating capacity reduced to 7,500. The arena reopened for Oscar De La Hoya's WBO super featherweight title fight against champion Jimmi Bredahl in 1994. As of early 2005, it still held boxing shows. In the summer of 2005 it was sold to a Korean-American church group, who renamed it the "Glory Vision Center." As a result, the famed building ended its long, glorious history as a boxing venue. "

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 08:38
by kikibalt
Boxingnut wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image

June 26,1982

Los Angeles, California, United States

Frankie Baltazar W Abe Perez KO 2 10

Henry Contreras W Manuel Cruz KO 1

Tony Baltazar W Raul Bencomo KO 2

John Montes W Manuel Abedoy KO 2
Cool pic Frank. How good was Montes? I already know how good your boys were.
John Montes was a decent fighter, had a good left hood to the body, other than that I don't remember anything special about him.

Tony ko'd John in 58 second of the first round in the amateurs, John was out cold for about 5 minutes, and that was with 10 oz. gloves....

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 09:25
by CNorkusJr
raylawpc wrote:I know you weren’t insinuating anything Charlie. I was trying to be funny with the ALL CAPS.

I will tell you what I think is a funny story about my boys and MMA. My oldest son, although an MMA fan, likes boxing, respects boxers, and enjoys my stories. But my youngest son used to defend the MMA guys to hilt when I would criticize their “striking.” A couple of years ago, my youngest son was over at the house and ESPN was rebroadcasting the Bob Foster-Mike Quarry fight. I said, “you want to see some striking, watch this fight.” As the fight progressed to the end of the fourth round, I said, “Now watch closely,” and about that time, Foster pollaxed Mike with that left hook. I turned to my son, and asked, “Ever see anybody strike like that in the UFC?” “No, he admitted-his eyes bugging out of his head :o , “I’ve never seen a punch like that in my life . . .” :o

A few months ago, my son and one of his buddies were at the house talking about the upcoming James Toney-Randy Couture UFC fight. His friend was speculating how badly the UFC guy would beat Toney. My son agreed, but then said, “But not if Toney hits him before Couture can get him on the ground. It's all over if Toney lands . . .”

I think I’m making progress. :OhYes: :TU:
Foster -M. Quarry would make anybody sit-up and take notice.
Slowly, and one by one,we can convert this nation's youth back to boxing. :lol: :box: :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 09:33
by CNorkusJr
Rick Farris wrote:
CNorkusJr wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Dancing With The Stars . . . Leonard on "Hands of Stone"

Dan Hanley and I have a partner in our boxing interview productions and that's cinematographer Greg Patterson, who's camera work helps define our work.
For the last couple of weeks, Greg has been the Lighting Director on the "Dancing With The Stars" series, and one of this season's dancers is Sugar Ray Leonard.
Greg didn't pass up an opportunity to speak with the former world champ and asked him just one question about his career, "Who hit harder, Duran or Hearns?"
Greg was surprised by Leonard's candor, "Duran hit harder than Hearns, and he hit harder than Hagler too. Duran was the hardest puncher I faced."

Greg is always behind the camera when we record interviews, but I wish he'd have got Leonard's response when cameras were rolling.
That was a keeper!
That is a keeper ! Great post. It seemed to me that Hearns punch-counts were always high.Not just with Leonards', but with everybody. The image I have of him is these off-balance straight arms.
Duran on the other hand looked like he put his legs into his punches more-hence his power.
Charlie, I don't know where Duran's power comes from, but it's beyond the legs, the body.
Duran's power and energy surpasses the normal human being. Without question.
My opinion, but anybody who was close to Duran for more than a minute will understand what I'm saying.
Anybody who stepped into a ring with Roberto Duran was treated like somebody who had entered his domain, his house, you were trying to steal something.
He didn't care if you were a pro, amateur, bigger, smaller, whatever, you were going to feel his power.
I loved Duran for the way he beat up an over-rated superstar, Sugar Ray Leonard. Leonard had his strengths, Duran was just stronger, a true great.
The "No Mas" thing reflected something in the nature of the great Duran that people could not relate to. He defied his legend. But he came back anyway.
Duran is a little crazy. All fighters are a little crazy?
Your correct Rick. The physical is only a portion of what the fighter has. A Champion also has with him a mentality that carries him up and beyond.Many great fighters lack that mentality throughout the history-and, of course, the heart must be there too.
Boxing , I feel, more exemplifies that old adage "Talk the Talk....Walk the Walk...." than any other sport.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 11:01
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Frank, I read somewhere that the Olympic Auditorium was the only arena in the nation designed specifically for boxing. Have you ever heard that?

Also, was the Hollywood stadium originally an open air arena? Seems like the read that somewhere too.
Tom, I really don't know much about either place before my time, Hap would be the man to know....

From BoxRec Encyclopaedia

"The Hollywood (American) Legion Stadium was one of the two major boxing venues of Los Angeles from the 1920s on, the other being the Olympic Auditorium. It was the most stable and most successful venue in California during the 1920s and 1930s. Its cards were held on Fridays. It opened as an 8,000-seat venue August 12, 1921 under the auspices of World War I veterans, American Legion Post No. 43. It was closed for a short time to add an arched roof over the formerly open-air venue, and reopened Dec. 16, 1921. It once again was closed briefly on July 11, 1923, to sink the boxing ring six feet, increasing the pitch of ringside seats so that all patrons had a good view of the ring, and to add a ventilation system that recycled the air every 10 minutes. According to the Los Angeles Times of the day, the venue then accommodated 5,100 people. (Other sources say the seating was reduced to 4,500.) A second version of this venue opened in late 1938 with a capacity of about 6,300. Black boxers were not allowed to fight here until 1940.

On March 15, 1952, shows moved from the regular Friday night slot to Saturday nights. The reason for the move was the televising of boxing shows from the East Coast on Friday nights, which had eroded attendance and made sell-outs rare. With the move, the Legion Stadium intended to televise their shows as well, showing them locally on television station KECA.

The Hollywood Legion Stadium closed in 1959. At present (2009), it is the Legion Lanes Bowling Alley on Gower Boulevard, up the street from the Paramount Studios."



"One of the most storied venues in boxing history, the "Grand Olympic Auditorium," located at 1801 South Grand Avenue in Los Angeles, CA, USA, opened August 5, 1925 to a crowd of jewel-clad Hollywood film stars, prominent tuxedoed citizens, and other "common" folk. (Then-World Champion Jack Dempsey earlier had shoveled the first pile of dirt for the groundbreaking ceremony.) The original seating capacity was 10,400 (this included "standing-room only" patrons). It had one huge ground floor, with the boxing ring at its center. It also had an enormous balcony that stretched diagonally away in every direction toward the roof. The boxers' dressing rooms and showers were on the southern side of the basement floor.

The Olympic had weekly boxing shows during the 1920s, '30s, and '40s -- usually on Tuesday nights. It later shifted to Thursdays during the 1950s. After the Hollywood Legion Stadium shut down in 1959, the Olympic's shows moved to Fridays and Saturdays, and ran continuously until 1980. The Olympic Auditorium ran spot shows during the early 1980s, before closing later that decade. It had lost much of its luster due to age and the decay of its surrounding neighborhood.

In the late 1980s it was refurbished extensively and its seating capacity reduced to 7,500. The arena reopened for Oscar De La Hoya's WBO super featherweight title fight against champion Jimmi Bredahl in 1994. As of early 2005, it still held boxing shows. In the summer of 2005 it was sold to a Korean-American church group, who renamed it the "Glory Vision Center." As a result, the famed building ended its long, glorious history as a boxing venue. "
The info above is not up to date regarding the Legion. It was a bowling alley after it closed for boxing, but no longer. It has been a Balley's Fitness Center for at least 20 years. Also, the open air venue was at a previous location, not the one pictured.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 12:51
by bennie
Sheffield's Ryan Rhodes has been made mandatory challenger to new WBC light-middleweight champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez of Mexico and already there is talk of the fight happening in June in dusty old Guadalajara, which happens to be the backyard of the champion's (ouch!).
Southpaw Rhodes, 34, is overdue his shot after smashing his way to the European light-middleweight title with a seven-round stoppage of Salford's established Jamie Moore in Bolton in October 2009 but has remained on the sidelines ever since and sat and watched as Manchester welterweight Matthew Hatton piled on the pounds and went in with Alvarez for the vacant WBC title earlier this month in California.
The burly Alvarez, predictably, proved too strong for Hatton on the way to a unanimous decision but Rhodes is no Hatton, a neat boxer without a big punch: Rhodes is quick, cute, heavy handed, and vastly experienced, having turned pro in February 1995 (when Alvarez was five) and having never lost at light-middleweight, flirting with the middleweight division for his only defeats in a record of 45-4 (31). Make no mistake about it, Rhodes is bigger and better than Hatton.
Alvarez, a freckled redhead, looks like an Irishman but fights like a Mexican and attracts big support and big promotional backing. His record is a bolstered 36-0-1 (26) but he obviously carries a whacks and knows how to box and will be hard to budge in the altitude of Mexico in what amounts to something of a homecoming, his first world title defence. Incredibly, Alvarez is still only 20 so his engine is in fine working condition. The draw on his record, incidentally, came in a four-rounder in just his fifth pro outing in 2006.
I can see Rhodes having his moments in this one in what could could prove a desperately close encounter but Alvarez sets a hot pace in a hot country and you have to favour him to snatch a decision, possibly a controversial decision. It looks like Rhodes needs a knockout to take the belt out of there.