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Expug wrote:

kikibalt wrote:
Anthony Quinn
born: 21-04-1915
birth place: Chihuahua, Mexico
died: 03-06-2001

Born into an impoverished environment in Mexico, Antonio Rudolfo Oaxaca Quinn's family moved to Los Angeles, in search of work and a better quality of life. Quinn spent his boyhood years helping support his family by doing odd jobs.

Before becoming an actor, Quinn had been a prize-fighter and a painter. He launched his film career playing character roles in several 1936 films, including 'Parole' and 'The Milky Way', after a brief stint in the theatre. In 1937, he married director Cecil B. DeMille's daughter, Katherine De Mille, but this did nothing to further his career and Quinn remained relegated to playing "ethnic" villains in Paramount films through the 1940s.

By 1947, he was a veteran of over fifty films, but he was still not a major star. So he returned to the theatre, where for three years he found success on Broadway, in such roles as Stanley Kowalski in 'A Streetcar Named Desire'.

Upon his return to the screen in the early 1950s, Quinn was cast in a series of B-adventures like 'Mask of the Avenger'. He got one of his big breaks, playing opposite Marlon Brando in Elia Kazan's 'Viva Zapata!'. His supporting role as Zapata's brother won Quinn his first Oscar and, after that, Quinn was given larger roles in a variety of features.

Quinn won his second Best Supporting Actor Oscar portraying the painter Gaugin, in Vincente Minnelli's 'Lust for Life'. The following year, he received another Oscar nomination for George Cukor's 'Wild Is the Wind'. The success of 'Zorba the Greek' in 1964 was the high-water mark of Quinn's career during the 1960s, and it provided another Oscar nomination. But as the decade progressed, the quality of his film work noticeably diminished, and Quinn was largely relegated to TV for the rest of his career.

Quinn has fathered thirteen children, and has been married several times. He died in June 2001.

Quinns Father was half Irish.
Im reminded of the Irish and Mexican link that was solidified by The San Patricios.
A group that is left out of kids schoolbooks here and many would like to downplay.
But they are part of history strongly honored in Mexico .
Our heritages are very similar.
A great article:
http://americanindiansource.com/patricios.html

pug,

Thanks for the link to that great article.

kikibalt wrote:

Tony "The Tiger" vs "Rockin'" Robin: two undefeated bangers going at it. Ah, they don't make matches like that any more.

kikibalt wrote:

Meza was old school. He learned from his defeat to the great Wilfredo Gomez and proved way too sharp for a wild-swinging Jaime Garza in his next crack. Unfortunately, Meza then ran out of gas against Pintor in defence of his title in the high altitude of Mexico City. It was horrible to see him staggering around in the later rounds that night.

bennie wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Meza was old school. He learned from his defeat to the great Wilfredo Gomez and proved way too sharp for a wild-swinging Jaime Garza in his next crack. Unfortunately, Meza then ran out of gas against Pintor in defence of his title in the high altitude of Mexico City. It was horrible to see him staggering around in the later rounds that night.

Bennie,

Did you see that fight live?

kikibalt wrote:

bennie wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Meza was old school. He learned from his defeat to the great Wilfredo Gomez and proved way too sharp for a wild-swinging Jaime Garza in his next crack. Unfortunately, Meza then ran out of gas against Pintor in defence of his title in the high altitude of Mexico City. It was horrible to see him staggering around in the later rounds that night.

Bennie,

Did you see that fight live?

On tape. We don't get many live fights in the UK, especially in this cringe-inducing PC age. I remember the ring collapsing afterwards when Pintor's fans (he was always a massive draw) clambered on to it after their man's surprise win.

Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez and Jerry Stokes

Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez getting his hands tape
by Freddie Mernio

kikibalt wrote:

Expug wrote:

kikibalt wrote:
Anthony Quinn
born: 21-04-1915
birth place: Chihuahua, Mexico
died: 03-06-2001

Born into an impoverished environment in Mexico, Antonio Rudolfo Oaxaca Quinn's family moved to Los Angeles, in search of work and a better quality of life. Quinn spent his boyhood years helping support his family by doing odd jobs.

Before becoming an actor, Quinn had been a prize-fighter and a painter. He launched his film career playing character roles in several 1936 films, including 'Parole' and 'The Milky Way', after a brief stint in the theatre. In 1937, he married director Cecil B. DeMille's daughter, Katherine De Mille, but this did nothing to further his career and Quinn remained relegated to playing "ethnic" villains in Paramount films through the 1940s.

By 1947, he was a veteran of over fifty films, but he was still not a major star. So he returned to the theatre, where for three years he found success on Broadway, in such roles as Stanley Kowalski in 'A Streetcar Named Desire'.

Upon his return to the screen in the early 1950s, Quinn was cast in a series of B-adventures like 'Mask of the Avenger'. He got one of his big breaks, playing opposite Marlon Brando in Elia Kazan's 'Viva Zapata!'. His supporting role as Zapata's brother won Quinn his first Oscar and, after that, Quinn was given larger roles in a variety of features.

Quinn won his second Best Supporting Actor Oscar portraying the painter Gaugin, in Vincente Minnelli's 'Lust for Life'. The following year, he received another Oscar nomination for George Cukor's 'Wild Is the Wind'. The success of 'Zorba the Greek' in 1964 was the high-water mark of Quinn's career during the 1960s, and it provided another Oscar nomination. But as the decade progressed, the quality of his film work noticeably diminished, and Quinn was largely relegated to TV for the rest of his career.

Quinn has fathered thirteen children, and has been married several times. He died in June 2001.

Quinns Father was half Irish.
Im reminded of the Irish and Mexican link that was solidified by The San Patricios.
A group that is left out of kids schoolbooks here and many would like to downplay.
But they are part of history strongly honored in Mexico .
Our heritages are very similar.
A great article:
http://americanindiansource.com/patricios.html

pug,

Thanks for the link to that great article.

Your welcome Frank.
Its interesting that these guys are hardly ever mentioned.
I certainly never heard about them when I was a kid in school.

Expug wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Expug wrote:

Quinns Father was half Irish.
Im reminded of the Irish and Mexican link that was solidified by The San Patricios.
A group that is left out of kids schoolbooks here and many would like to downplay.
But they are part of history strongly honored in Mexico .
Our heritages are very similar.
A great article:
http://americanindiansource.com/patricios.html

pug,

Thanks for the link to that great article.

Your welcome Frank.
Its interesting that these guys are hardly ever mentioned.
I certainly never heard about them when I was a kid in school.

I have to say that this is the first time I heard about them... :(

Expug wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Expug wrote:

Quinns Father was half Irish.
Im reminded of the Irish and Mexican link that was solidified by The San Patricios.
A group that is left out of kids schoolbooks here and many would like to downplay.
But they are part of history strongly honored in Mexico .
Our heritages are very similar.
A great article:
http://americanindiansource.com/patricios.html

pug,

Thanks for the link to that great article.

Your welcome Frank.
Its interesting that these guys are hardly ever mentioned.
I certainly never heard about them when I was a kid in school.

Pug
When the Irish immigrated to America around the time of the Mexican/American War they weren't welcomed here,especially on the East Coast. Between the Catholic Church and being discrimminated against in England,the Irish had to stay together(which was fine with them). Los San Patricios were more in line with the Mexican way of living than the Protesant way of life here. After the War, many Patricios were tried with treason. Their story is known by fewer Mexicans today,especially the young folk. When we cover the Mexican/American War,even though it's not in the book,I talk about Los San Patricios.

This came to mind also. Esquadron 201. The fighter squadron of Mexcan nationals who fought with the U.S. forces in the Phillipines towards the end of the War. Mexico had a couple of tanker ships sunk by German U Boats in 1943. President Camacho of Mexico declared war with Germany,but wanted Mexican nationals to actively participate in the fighting. Camacho approached FDR. FDR put together a Fighter Squadron that would be trained here and then go overseas. 300 men including 30 pilots. They coordinated with the landing forces and attacked Japanese shipping in the Phillipines and Formosa.

I went to an Air Show a while back here at Miramar Airfield. One of the pilots of Esquadron 201 was standing beside an old P 51 Mustang. He had on his ribbons. He was telling the story of Esquadron 201 to anyone that was interested. The old timer was standing there proud and he was very gracious. Most everybody walked past him to hear the rock band that was performing down the way. I went up to him. He was happy to talk with me and share his stories.

bennie wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Meza was old school. He learned from his defeat to the great Wilfredo Gomez and proved way too sharp for a wild-swinging Jaime Garza in his next crack. Unfortunately, Meza then ran out of gas against Pintor in defence of his title in the high altitude of Mexico City. It was horrible to see him staggering around in the later rounds that night.

I was at a press conference a couple of years back where Bennie Georgino was being feted and he told a story of the Garza-Meza bout. He as manager/trainer of Garza attended the pre-fight press luncheon for last minute publicity shots and weigh-in and when Garza and Meza shook hands Meza proceeded to tell Garza very explicitly what he intended to do to Garza's mother after the fight and quite obviously they had to be separated with Garza going after him. Garza then went outside and threw up. Of course the plan worked. First round Garza decks Meza and Georgino said they were screaming at him to take his time, but his ire was up and he went tearing wildly to take Meza's head off. Garza was like Bob Satterfield or Ricardo Moreno. Great punch, no jaw and a counter-punchers dream, which of course, is exactly what happened.

Scartissue

kikibalt wrote:
Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez and Jerry Stokes

Rodolfo, do you recall when this photo was taken and what fight you were training for?

Scartissue

Where is BoxingNut?

Jerry and Jack Quarry with Teddy Bentham

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxh_OoGopgM

Frankie Duarte knockout's

You look at some of the then and now photos Frank's posted of El Gato, and the champ hasn't changed much. Same for Armando Muniz.

Gato, are you still working out regularly? What's your routine? What's your diet?

Geezers like me who want to recapture their youth would really like to know!

dagosd2000 wrote:

Expug wrote:

kikibalt wrote: pug,

Thanks for the link to that great article.

Your welcome Frank.
Its interesting that these guys are hardly ever mentioned.
I certainly never heard about them when I was a kid in school.

Pug
When the Irish immigrated to America around the time of the Mexican/American War they weren't welcomed here,especially on the East Coast. Between the Catholic Church and being discrimminated against in England,the Irish had to stay together(which was fine with them). Los San Patricios were more in line with the Mexican way of living than the Protesant way of life here. After the War, many Patricios were tried with treason. Their story is known by fewer Mexicans today,especially the young folk. When we cover the Mexican/American War,even though it's not in the book,I talk about Los San Patricios.

Ive heard that somewhere in Mexico a monument was built to honor the San Patricios. Maybe in Mexico City?

Tomorrow's Cinco de Mayo. How many Americans think that tomorrow is Mexican Independence Day,their Fourth of July? Just about everyone I talk to thinks it is. When I tell them Cinco de Mayo signifies the Mexican Army's victory over French forces at the Battle of Puebla in 1862,they seem uninterested. They don't ask me then what is Mexican Independence Day or what the Battle of Puebla pertains to.

To them, Cinco de Mayo is a day to drink shots of tequila and everything else is unimportant. I went through my days of drinking tequila. Basically it was Cuervo or Sauza. There was Cazadores too I remember. You go to a bar in Mexico and mostly it's beer on the bar. Americans like to "down" shots of tequila. The rage now is "Patron Tequila". Never heard of it before. It's like 20 dollars a shot.I went to Cabo San Lucas . I thought I was in an American town that had Mexicans working in it. I wanted to go to one of those bars that you see on "Spring Break" on MTV. I wasn't let down.

I think the place was called the "Tickled Marlin". I get in there and strobe lights are spinning around the walls and ceiling,the rock music is blasting,and the Mexican girls working there are swiveling and girating their hips in skimpy little outfits. There's a young dude on the microphone getting everybody revved up.
"What happens in Cabo,stays in Cabo!"

Americans are filing in in droves. They can't get the tequila down fast enough. ( In all the time I've been in Mexico,I've never seen a Mexican down a shot of tequila.They sip it.) There's a machine that straps a guy's wife or girlfriend upside down while a jello mold of tequila is squeezed between her tits while her husband or boyfriend eats it with his hands tied behind his back. People are put in these chairs that tilt all the way back and then a waiter pours shots of tequila down their throats. The guy with the mike asks the women if they satisfy their mates and then asks the men what their women folk are like in bed. He asks one of the guys what he does for a living and where he's from.
"I'm a high school principal from Boise, Idaho."
All this time the sexy girls in the skimpy outfits are wiggling away on top of the bar to the heavy metal music.

I was sitting at the end of the bar trying to figure what was behind this scene.The beer in front of me was 4 dollars and before I was half finished the bartender wanted to know if I wanted another. There weren't any Mexicans drinking or being hung upside down or strapped in chairs. I focused on one of the girls that was thrusting her pelvis like a jitterbug. She and another girl went to the back like they were taking a break. I watched them. Their expressions looked like they were bored. They looked tired. I asked the bartender how much he made a shift. He told me ten dollars. The waiters were staring at the melee with these blank looks on their faces. All the while whistles are blowing,lights are swirling,and the dude on the mike is shouting that the customers can buy a video of what has just happened to them for 20 bucks. The bedlam was over in 30 minutes. The crowd staggered out to the street and then another wave of Americans was herded inside.

The dude with the mike,the bartenders and waiters,the sexy girls with the girating hips go home when their night is over to the dark dirt backstreets of Cabo San Lucas to their small rundown houses that don't have any airconditioning. They're tired and want to just go to bed. They check in on their children and then go to sleep. The heat makes falling asleep difficult even though they're exhausted.

I know a lot of Americans that think the party life in Cabo San Lucas is the typical way of life in Mexico,or that Mexicans pour shot loads of tequila down their throats ,or that Cinco de Mayo is Mexican Indepedence Day. But then again Americans don't want to figure out anything that's that complicated when it comes to understanding Mexico. Cinco de Mayo is a lot easier to say than Diez y Seis de Septiembre.

Expug wrote:

dagosd2000 wrote:

Expug wrote: Your welcome Frank.
Its interesting that these guys are hardly ever mentioned.
I certainly never heard about them when I was a kid in school.

Pug
When the Irish immigrated to America around the time of the Mexican/American War they weren't welcomed here,especially on the East Coast. Between the Catholic Church and being discrimminated against in England,the Irish had to stay together(which was fine with them). Los San Patricios were more in line with the Mexican way of living than the Protesant way of life here. After the War, many Patricios were tried with treason. Their story is known by fewer Mexicans today,especially the young folk. When we cover the Mexican/American War,even though it's not in the book,I talk about Los San Patricios.

Ive heard that somewhere in Mexico a monument was built to honor the San Patricios. Maybe in Mexico City?

Hey Pug
Your guys are remembered by the government. I've seen schools and hospitals named Los Patricios. Streets and boulevards too. There was a stamp made to commemorate the Irish Brigade. There is a statue in Mexico City of the Patricios. In fact Mexico sent a similar statue to Ireland.

bennie wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

bennie wrote: Meza was old school. He learned from his defeat to the great Wilfredo Gomez and proved way too sharp for a wild-swinging Jaime Garza in his next crack. Unfortunately, Meza then ran out of gas against Pintor in defence of his title in the high altitude of Mexico City. It was horrible to see him staggering around in the later rounds that night.

Bennie,

Did you see that fight live?

On tape. We don't get many live fights in the UK, especially in this cringe-inducing PC age. I remember the ring collapsing afterwards when Pintor's fans (he was always a massive draw) clambered on to it after their man's surprise win.

Bennie,

You know that I have never seen the Pintor/Meza fight.

dagosd2000 wrote:

Expug wrote:

dagosd2000 wrote: Pug
When the Irish immigrated to America around the time of the Mexican/American War they weren't welcomed here,especially on the East Coast. Between the Catholic Church and being discrimminated against in England,the Irish had to stay together(which was fine with them). Los San Patricios were more in line with the Mexican way of living than the Protesant way of life here. After the War, many Patricios were tried with treason. Their story is known by fewer Mexicans today,especially the young folk. When we cover the Mexican/American War,even though it's not in the book,I talk about Los San Patricios.

Ive heard that somewhere in Mexico a monument was built to honor the San Patricios. Maybe in Mexico City?

Hey Pug
Your guys are remembered by the government. I've seen schools and hospitals named Los Patricios. Streets and boulevards too. There was a stamp made to commemorate the Irish Brigade. There is a statue in Mexico City of the Patricios. In fact Mexico sent a similar statue to Ireland.

Thanks Dagos.