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kikibalt wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote: There was a swedish boxer who fought in the us in the 60's named Lars Norling, He later beame a carpenter in hollywood and buildt western sets

I knew Lars from the Teamsters Gym. He used to train at the Teamsters in the mid-'60's. Saw all his LA fights



Name: Lars Olof Norling
Alias: Lasse Norling
Born: 1935-09-25
Birthplace:
Nationality: Swedish
Hometown: Stockholm, Sweden
Height: 6′ 3½″ / 192cm
Boxing Record: click


* Amateur record: 125 fights.
* Swedish Champion 1956 (beginners champion) 1957 (Junior) 1959-1960-1961
* Silver medal Swedish Championship 1958; lost to Lennart Risberg in finals.
* Scandinavian Champion 1959
* In the 1960 Rome Olympic Games, Norling lost to Tony Madigan of Australia on points.
* In the 1959 European Championships, he lost to silver medalist Gheorghe Negra of Rumania.
* After his pro career Norling found work as a carpenter in Universal Studios in Hollywood, building props for western TV series. (He also worked four years for the TV series "Murder She Wrote.") In a 1999 interview, Norling estimated that he had a total of 53 or 54 pro fights, winning 42. He had unlisted fights in towns like Bakersfield, calif., and Spokane, Wash.
* He married a Norwegian girl in the late 1960s and even spent a few years in Norway working as a carpenter.
* Best fighter he sparred with in his career: Eddie Cotton.
* Received $6,000 for his first fight, against Manuel Ramos.

1967-04-22 191 Boone Kirkman 9-0-0
Coliseum, Spokane, Washington, United States L RTD 2 10
referee: James Reilly

1967-01-20 195 Don Koontz 197 12-3-0
Bakersfield, California, United States L PTS 10 10

1966-05-05 Manuel Ramos 8-6-2
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L TKO 8 10
referee: Tommy Hart
Norling was knocked down in the 4th and 8th round.

1966-03-31 199¼ Billy Walker 190½ 14-5-2
Hilton Hotel (Anglo American SC), Mayfair, London, United Kingdom L TKO 4 10x3
referee: Harry Gibbs

1966-01-20 205 Tony Doyle 202½ 12-2-1
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L UD 10 10
referee: Joey Olmos 3-5 | judge: John Thomas 1-9 | judge: George Latka 0-12
1965-12-09 206 Manuel Ramos 196 6-5-2

Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TD 6 10
time: 1:48 | referee: George Latka 3-2 | judge: John Thomas 3-2 | judge: Dick Young 3-2
Accidental head-butt. Norling led by a 3-2 margin on all cards up to that point, refree raised his hand as the winner under California rules. Had Ramos been leading it would have been declared a technical draw.

1965-05-28 198 Buddy Turman 189 41-14-2
Deutschlandhalle, Charlottenburg, Berlin, Germany L TKO 4 8
Boxing News June 4, 1965

1964-11-06 Wilhelm Von Homburg 16-3-3
Ernst Merck Halle, Hamburg, Germany L TKO 9 10

1964-09-25 194 Karl Hermann Troche 196¼ 7-0-0
Kristianstad, Sweden W TKO 3 8
referee: Elvir Göransson

1964-05-22 192 Franco De Piccoli 218 26-2-0
Palazzo Dello Sport, Torino, Piemonte, Italy L PTS 10 10

1964-04-12 193 Ray Patterson 192½ 6-1-0
Rosenlundshallen, Jonkoping, Sweden L PTS 6 6

1964-03-01 194 Kurt Stroer 185 8-7-3
Sporthallen, Sundsvall, Sweden D PTS 6 6

1964-01-06 192½ Ray Patterson 187½ 3-0-0
Johanneshov, Stockholm, Sweden W SD 6 6

1963-10-04 Carl Welschou 5-2-0
K.B. Hallen, Copenhagen, Denmark W TKO 6 6
Cut eye

1963-06-22 192¼ Jean Huiban 196¾ 1-3-0
Isstadion, Leksand, Sweden W PTS 6 6

1963-03-29 Finn Jensen 8-3-2
K.B. Hallen, Copenhagen, Denmark W PTS 6 6

1963-01-25 189¾ Kurt Stroer 183½ 6-3-1
Sporthallen, Linkoping, Sweden L TKO 6 6
time: 2:41

1962-12-28 190¾ Wenzel Bociek 179½ 12-12-4
Sporthallen, Orebro, Sweden W KO 5 6
time: 2:01

1962-11-09 181½ Klaus Langhammer 178¾ 15-7-8
Masshallen, Gothenburg, Sweden W PTS 6 6

1962-10-26 182 Bas van Duivenbode 174¼ 3-1-1
Sporthallen, Eskilstuna, Sweden D PTS 8 8

1962-08-17 Ilkka Koski 6-1-1
Olympic Stadion, Helsinki, Finland L PTS 8 8

1962-06-17 194½ Ron Gray 195 16-7-2
Nya Ullevi, Gothenburg, Sweden W PTS 6 6

1962-06-03 193 Ilkka Koski 199½ 6-1-0
Olympic Stadium, Stockholm, Sweden D PTS 6 6

1962-04-15 197¼ Robert Archie Moore 188 3-2-0
Kungliga Tennishallen, Stockholm, Sweden W PTS 8 8

1962-03-30 197½ Finn Jensen 183¾ 7-1-2
Kungliga Tennishallen, Stockholm, Sweden W PTS 6 6

1962-02-09 194 Giorgio Masteghin 224¾ 5-1-0
Maesshallen Sports Hall, Gothenburg, Sweden L PTS 8 8
referee: Åke Jacobsson

1961-12-09 195 Bonino Allevi 203¼ 9-9-2
Sporthallen, Eskilstuna, Sweden W DQ 2 8
referee: Alf Larsson

1961-10-08 191½ Klaus Hessmann 192½ 1-6-1
Idrottens Hus, Helsingborg, Sweden W PTS 8 8
referee: Elvir Göransson

1961-05-19 210 Julian Richardson 205
Armory, Centralia, Washington, United States W KO 2 4
time: 2:49

1961-04-11 Charley Turner 1-1-0
Civic Auditorium, Santa Cruz, California, United States D PTS 4 4

1961-03-27 184 Don Nau 175
Coliseum, Spokane, Washington, United States L UD 4 4

scartissue wrote:

bennie wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote:
You should try black pudding, one of my favourites when food is concerned

Aye, a good fry-up in the morning (egg, bacon, sausages, mushrooms and black pudding) and a roast meal for dinner and you will never hear us English, a renowned bunch of moaners, complain. Rick is a typical city boy - spoilt for choice.
Are you thinking of marmite soldiers, Rick?

Bennie, between you and Panzer, you guys have me pining for my Mom's fry ups. My Mom was from Kerry and she would have the house filled with the most delectable aromas on a Saturday and Sunday morning. I totally loved black pudding until the day when I was about 12 that she laid it on me that it was pigs blood. I gagged momentarily and then thought to myself, "Ah what the hell, I've been eating it for years." And resumed chowing down. Good times.

Scartissue

bennie wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:English food is boring and without taste, much like fashion in the U.K.
I will credit my Grandmum for creating a very good meat pie, but the rest was nothing to get excited over.
Any of you Brits know of "Marmont Soldiers"? One of my favorites as a kid.

You should try black pudding, one of my favourites when food is concerned

Aye, a good fry-up in the morning (egg, bacon, sausages, mushrooms and black pudding) and a roast meal for dinner and you will never hear us English, a renowned bunch of moaners, complain. Rick is a typical city boy - spoilt for choice.
Are you thinking of marmite soldiers, Rick?

CNorkusJr wrote:


Used some of this stuff to remove the old paint from the shed the other day, and to seal in the drive-way asphalt. works better than anything i ever had before !
Connie, are you listening ?

CNorkusJr wrote:


Used some of this stuff to remove the old paint from the shed the other day, and to seal in the drive-way asphalt. works better than anything i ever had before !
Connie, are you listening ?

Panzerfaust wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

THEHAMMER321 wrote: Tom , I couldn't agree more, I am an Italian American, but I am never offended by ethnic jokes, and like Pat O"Grady I often make ethnic jokes and make fun of the Guido Italians, I think to many people especially in recent years take there heritage too seriously when people are only saying things in jest.

Being Swedish, I am rarely the brunt of any ethnic jokes. Although I suspect that Remy, being a Norwegian, knows a few . . . I'd actually like to know a few Swedish jokes.

You know why the swede jokes are so short? Its so the swedes can understand them too...

Most of the swede jokes goes about how dumb the swedes are,but their not really funny

Panzerfaust wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote:


Used some of this stuff to remove the old paint from the shed the other day, and to seal in the drive-way asphalt. works better than anything i ever had before !
Connie, are you listening ?

Its also very good for eating(menudo in general) it sounds bad with pigs stomach.. but its pretty damn good

scartissue wrote:Randy, hearing your gripe about Ray Leonard and how he was always handed an edge had me laughing. Oh, man, I was the same. I hated that bastard and he did always seem like he was being given the benefit of the doubt. Like you, I have gained an appreciation of his skills over the years, not to say I didn't think he was talented back then as well, but my hatred for him seemed to overshadow that. I did recognise his talent. Indeed, a buddy of mine back then and I were talking about Angelo Dundee's presence in his career back then and we had both agreed that even if he and I were training him he would still become world champ. So the recognition was there. However, my examples for him being given an edge are: 1) The Benitez fight - great fight, exceptional skill level on both sides. Close fight but Leonard was ahead on my card. In the 15th late in the round Leonard drops Benitez. Benitez gets up, Leonard charges him, throws three punches all of which Benitez ducks and that woefully inept Carlos Padilla stops the fight with about 6 seconds to go. I thought at the time, what was he afraid of it going to the cards and Ray not getting the verdict. Pissed me off. 2) Ayub Kalule - Kalule was very strong and had been coming on strong in the 7th and 8th but Leonard was ahead on my card although momentum semed to be swinging towards Kalule. In the 9th Leonard hits hit with something like a 9 punch combination that finally drops him. Kalule gets up no problem but the ref stops the fight and the time is given as 2:59. Except it wasn't 2:59 it was 3:06. Mysteriously the timekeeper did not ring the bell, which would have given Kalule a chance to recover between rounds. 3) The Hearns rematch - No way was that a draw. Say no more. 4) The Hagler fight - Leonard fought a tremendous fight but that shoeshine with 10 seconds to go didn't fool me. I've scored the fight 7-5 Hagler everytime I've seen it.

Perhaps my hatred for Leonard manifested itself when he fought Armando Muniz. Muniz had been my fav for several years and of course he was at the end of his career. He was being outboxed but suddenly really turned it on around the 4th or 5th and made it uncomfortable for Ray with a tremendous body attack. He pulls out after the 6th with tendonitis and says in the post-fight interview that Ray is really good but still has a bit to learn. It's an obligatory statement that every fighter on the way out makes. It saves them a bit of face and they can go out with a bit of dignity. But no, Leonard couldn't give him that and said after Muniz was done, "Oh they all say that!" and in a very smarmy way. I wanted to reach into the TV and grab him around his golden boy throat. Today, I can honestly say he was one of the best. Classless, but talented. Now, don't get me started about Pernell Whitaker. Now we're talking classless, boring and wayyyy overrated.

Scartissue

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

scartissue wrote:Randy, hearing your gripe about Ray Leonard and how he was always handed an edge had me laughing. Oh, man, I was the same. I hated that bastard and he did always seem like he was being given the benefit of the doubt. Like you, I have gained an appreciation of his skills over the years, not to say I didn't think he was talented back then as well, but my hatred for him seemed to overshadow that. I did recognise his talent. Indeed, a buddy of mine back then and I were talking about Angelo Dundee's presence in his career back then and we had both agreed that even if he and I were training him he would still become world champ. So the recognition was there. However, my examples for him being given an edge are: 1) The Benitez fight - great fight, exceptional skill level on both sides. Close fight but Leonard was ahead on my card. In the 15th late in the round Leonard drops Benitez. Benitez gets up, Leonard charges him, throws three punches all of which Benitez ducks and that woefully inept Carlos Padilla stops the fight with about 6 seconds to go. I thought at the time, what was he afraid of it going to the cards and Ray not getting the verdict. Pissed me off. 2) Ayub Kalule - Kalule was very strong and had been coming on strong in the 7th and 8th but Leonard was ahead on my card although momentum semed to be swinging towards Kalule. In the 9th Leonard hits hit with something like a 9 punch combination that finally drops him. Kalule gets up no problem but the ref stops the fight and the time is given as 2:59. Except it wasn't 2:59 it was 3:06. Mysteriously the timekeeper did not ring the bell, which would have given Kalule a chance to recover between rounds. 3) The Hearns rematch - No way was that a draw. Say no more. 4) The Hagler fight - Leonard fought a tremendous fight but that shoeshine with 10 seconds to go didn't fool me. I've scored the fight 7-5 Hagler everytime I've seen it.

Perhaps my hatred for Leonard manifested itself when he fought Armando Muniz. Muniz had been my fav for several years and of course he was at the end of his career. He was being outboxed but suddenly really turned it on around the 4th or 5th and made it uncomfortable for Ray with a tremendous body attack. He pulls out after the 6th with tendonitis and says in the post-fight interview that Ray is really good but still has a bit to learn. It's an obligatory statement that every fighter on the way out makes. It saves them a bit of face and they can go out with a bit of dignity. But no, Leonard couldn't give him that and said after Muniz was done, "Oh they all say that!" and in a very smarmy way. I wanted to reach into the TV and grab him around his golden boy throat. Today, I can honestly say he was one of the best. Classless, but talented. Now, don't get me started about Pernell Whitaker. Now we're talking classless, boring and wayyyy overrated.

Scartissue

On Sugar Ray Leonard .... when he was in his prime early 1980s I would always root against him,but at the same I always remain objective and even if I didn't like him I still scored the Hagler fight in Leonards favor, Hagler took too long to get started and Leonard was one step ahead of him, I agree Leonard always had things in his favor and dictated the terms of the Hagler fight by demanding a bigger ring and bigger gloves and also waiting till Hagler got old as he had a chance to fight him 5 years earlier , and no way did he deserve a draw versus Hearns, the Hitman won going away, I think Ali was given more breaks than anyone whoever fought though, Doug Jones, Ken Norton, Jimmy Young, decisions and Ali getting
extra time when he was hurt by Henry Cooper.

bennie wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:English food is boring and without taste, much like fashion in the U.K.
I will credit my Grandmum for creating a very good meat pie, but the rest was nothing to get excited over.
Any of you Brits know of "Marmont Soldiers"? One of my favorites as a kid.

You should try black pudding, one of my favourites when food is concerned

Aye, a good fry-up in the morning (egg, bacon, sausages, mushrooms and black pudding) and a roast meal for dinner and you will never hear us English, a renowned bunch of moaners, complain. Rick is a typical city boy - spoilt for choice.
Are you thinking of marmite soldiers, Rick?

scartissue wrote:Randy, hearing your gripe about Ray Leonard and how he was always handed an edge had me laughing. Oh, man, I was the same. I hated that bastard and he did always seem like he was being given the benefit of the doubt. Like you, I have gained an appreciation of his skills over the years, not to say I didn't think he was talented back then as well, but my hatred for him seemed to overshadow that. I did recognise his talent. Indeed, a buddy of mine back then and I were talking about Angelo Dundee's presence in his career back then and we had both agreed that even if he and I were training him he would still become world champ. So the recognition was there. However, my examples for him being given an edge are: 1) The Benitez fight - great fight, exceptional skill level on both sides. Close fight but Leonard was ahead on my card. In the 15th late in the round Leonard drops Benitez. Benitez gets up, Leonard charges him, throws three punches all of which Benitez ducks and that woefully inept Carlos Padilla stops the fight with about 6 seconds to go. I thought at the time, what was he afraid of it going to the cards and Ray not getting the verdict. Pissed me off. 2) Ayub Kalule - Kalule was very strong and had been coming on strong in the 7th and 8th but Leonard was ahead on my card although momentum semed to be swinging towards Kalule. In the 9th Leonard hits hit with something like a 9 punch combination that finally drops him. Kalule gets up no problem but the ref stops the fight and the time is given as 2:59. Except it wasn't 2:59 it was 3:06. Mysteriously the timekeeper did not ring the bell, which would have given Kalule a chance to recover between rounds. 3) The Hearns rematch - No way was that a draw. Say no more. 4) The Hagler fight - Leonard fought a tremendous fight but that shoeshine with 10 seconds to go didn't fool me. I've scored the fight 7-5 Hagler everytime I've seen it.

Perhaps my hatred for Leonard manifested itself when he fought Armando Muniz. Muniz had been my fav for several years and of course he was at the end of his career. He was being outboxed but suddenly really turned it on around the 4th or 5th and made it uncomfortable for Ray with a tremendous body attack. He pulls out after the 6th with tendonitis and says in the post-fight interview that Ray is really good but still has a bit to learn. It's an obligatory statement that every fighter on the way out makes. It saves them a bit of face and they can go out with a bit of dignity. But no, Leonard couldn't give him that and said after Muniz was done, "Oh they all say that!" and in a very smarmy way. I wanted to reach into the TV and grab him around his golden boy throat. Today, I can honestly say he was one of the best. Classless, but talented. Now, don't get me started about Pernell Whitaker. Now we're talking classless, boring and wayyyy overrated.

Scartissue

Randyman wrote:

scartissue wrote:Randy, hearing your gripe about Ray Leonard and how he was always handed an edge had me laughing. Oh, man, I was the same. I hated that bastard and he did always seem like he was being given the benefit of the doubt. Like you, I have gained an appreciation of his skills over the years, not to say I didn't think he was talented back then as well, but my hatred for him seemed to overshadow that. I did recognise his talent. Indeed, a buddy of mine back then and I were talking about Angelo Dundee's presence in his career back then and we had both agreed that even if he and I were training him he would still become world champ. So the recognition was there. However, my examples for him being given an edge are: 1) The Benitez fight - great fight, exceptional skill level on both sides. Close fight but Leonard was ahead on my card. In the 15th late in the round Leonard drops Benitez. Benitez gets up, Leonard charges him, throws three punches all of which Benitez ducks and that woefully inept Carlos Padilla stops the fight with about 6 seconds to go. I thought at the time, what was he afraid of it going to the cards and Ray not getting the verdict. Pissed me off. 2) Ayub Kalule - Kalule was very strong and had been coming on strong in the 7th and 8th but Leonard was ahead on my card although momentum semed to be swinging towards Kalule. In the 9th Leonard hits hit with something like a 9 punch combination that finally drops him. Kalule gets up no problem but the ref stops the fight and the time is given as 2:59. Except it wasn't 2:59 it was 3:06. Mysteriously the timekeeper did not ring the bell, which would have given Kalule a chance to recover between rounds. 3) The Hearns rematch - No way was that a draw. Say no more. 4) The Hagler fight - Leonard fought a tremendous fight but that shoeshine with 10 seconds to go didn't fool me. I've scored the fight 7-5 Hagler everytime I've seen it.

Perhaps my hatred for Leonard manifested itself when he fought Armando Muniz. Muniz had been my fav for several years and of course he was at the end of his career. He was being outboxed but suddenly really turned it on around the 4th or 5th and made it uncomfortable for Ray with a tremendous body attack. He pulls out after the 6th with tendonitis and says in the post-fight interview that Ray is really good but still has a bit to learn. It's an obligatory statement that every fighter on the way out makes. It saves them a bit of face and they can go out with a bit of dignity. But no, Leonard couldn't give him that and said after Muniz was done, "Oh they all say that!" and in a very smarmy way. I wanted to reach into the TV and grab him around his golden boy throat. Today, I can honestly say he was one of the best. Classless, but talented. Now, don't get me started about Pernell Whitaker. Now we're talking classless, boring and wayyyy overrated.

Scartissue

Back in the day, when I first hired in at McDonnell Douglas in January of 1979, Leonard had not yet won the title but he was on a roll, he was hugely popular with the fight fans on the job. Duran was just as popular but the crowd was different. It was broken down almost to a man, by race, blacks vs Hispanic, Duran or Leonard, most of it was good natured ribbing but much of it wasn't. It was a rough crowd back in those days. We were young and tempers flared. If you were any kind of fight fan you were almost forced to choose. The Monday following the second Duran vs Leonard fight was really spiteful. Some people made it hard to ignore. That's how I came to dislike (never hated but it was close) Leonard. It stayed with me. As a lover of all things pugilistic though, I have softened my stance on Leonard the fighter. Leonard the man was arrogant, and even he himself must recognize this because that was how he portrayed himself in "the Fighter". Still, I gotta give him credit. Both Pernell Whitaker, who I really did hate and Floyd Mayweather Jr have taken arrogant and classless to another level. I always thought Whitaker was overrated.

By the way, Leonard had to be one of the worst boxer turned commentator of all time. Luckily for us this was recognized right away and we were spared.

Panzerfaust wrote:Frank , you got mail

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

scartissue wrote:Randy, hearing your gripe about Ray Leonard and how he was always handed an edge had me laughing. Oh, man, I was the same. I hated that bastard and he did always seem like he was being given the benefit of the doubt. Like you, I have gained an appreciation of his skills over the years, not to say I didn't think he was talented back then as well, but my hatred for him seemed to overshadow that. I did recognise his talent. Indeed, a buddy of mine back then and I were talking about Angelo Dundee's presence in his career back then and we had both agreed that even if he and I were training him he would still become world champ. So the recognition was there. However, my examples for him being given an edge are: 1) The Benitez fight - great fight, exceptional skill level on both sides. Close fight but Leonard was ahead on my card. In the 15th late in the round Leonard drops Benitez. Benitez gets up, Leonard charges him, throws three punches all of which Benitez ducks and that woefully inept Carlos Padilla stops the fight with about 6 seconds to go. I thought at the time, what was he afraid of it going to the cards and Ray not getting the verdict. Pissed me off. 2) Ayub Kalule - Kalule was very strong and had been coming on strong in the 7th and 8th but Leonard was ahead on my card although momentum semed to be swinging towards Kalule. In the 9th Leonard hits hit with something like a 9 punch combination that finally drops him. Kalule gets up no problem but the ref stops the fight and the time is given as 2:59. Except it wasn't 2:59 it was 3:06. Mysteriously the timekeeper did not ring the bell, which would have given Kalule a chance to recover between rounds. 3) The Hearns rematch - No way was that a draw. Say no more. 4) The Hagler fight - Leonard fought a tremendous fight but that shoeshine with 10 seconds to go didn't fool me. I've scored the fight 7-5 Hagler everytime I've seen it.

Perhaps my hatred for Leonard manifested itself when he fought Armando Muniz. Muniz had been my fav for several years and of course he was at the end of his career. He was being outboxed but suddenly really turned it on around the 4th or 5th and made it uncomfortable for Ray with a tremendous body attack. He pulls out after the 6th with tendonitis and says in the post-fight interview that Ray is really good but still has a bit to learn. It's an obligatory statement that every fighter on the way out makes. It saves them a bit of face and they can go out with a bit of dignity. But no, Leonard couldn't give him that and said after Muniz was done, "Oh they all say that!" and in a very smarmy way. I wanted to reach into the TV and grab him around his golden boy throat. Today, I can honestly say he was one of the best. Classless, but talented. Now, don't get me started about Pernell Whitaker. Now we're talking classless, boring and wayyyy overrated.

Scartissue

On Sugar Ray Leonard .... when he was in his prime early 1980s I would always root against him,but at the same I always remain objective and even if I didn't like him I still scored the Hagler fight in Leonards favor, Hagler took too long to get started and Leonard was one step ahead of him, I agree Leonard always had things in his favor and dictated the terms of the Hagler fight by demanding a bigger ring and bigger gloves and also waiting till Hagler got old as he had a chance to fight him 5 years earlier , and no way did he deserve a draw versus Hearns, the Hitman won going away, I think Ali was given more breaks than anyone whoever fought though, Doug Jones, Ken Norton, Jimmy Young, decisions and Ali getting
extra time when he was hurt by Henry Cooper.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Sal Marchiano..... I remember him well from the early days of ESPN, he and Al Bernstein called the fights, I also remember people didn't like his ''goodnight sweet prince'' anytime a fighter was knocked out, it was like rubbing it in, anybody else remember him.

raylawpc wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote:


Used some of this stuff to remove the old paint from the shed the other day, and to seal in the drive-way asphalt. works better than anything i ever had before !
Connie, are you listening ?

Its also very good for eating(menudo in general) it sounds bad with pigs stomach.. but its pretty damn good

It's an acquired taste. I would have enjoyed it more if I'd known it was for breakfast and not for dinner.

raylawpc wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote:


Used some of this stuff to remove the old paint from the shed the other day, and to seal in the drive-way asphalt. works better than anything i ever had before !
Connie, are you listening ?

Its also very good for eating(menudo in general) it sounds bad with pigs stomach.. but its pretty damn good

It's an acquired taste. I would have enjoyed it more if I'd known it was for breakfast and not for dinner.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

scartissue wrote:Randy, hearing your gripe about Ray Leonard and how he was always handed an edge had me laughing. Oh, man, I was the same. I hated that bastard and he did always seem like he was being given the benefit of the doubt. Like you, I have gained an appreciation of his skills over the years, not to say I didn't think he was talented back then as well, but my hatred for him seemed to overshadow that. I did recognise his talent. Indeed, a buddy of mine back then and I were talking about Angelo Dundee's presence in his career back then and we had both agreed that even if he and I were training him he would still become world champ. So the recognition was there. However, my examples for him being given an edge are: 1) The Benitez fight - great fight, exceptional skill level on both sides. Close fight but Leonard was ahead on my card. In the 15th late in the round Leonard drops Benitez. Benitez gets up, Leonard charges him, throws three punches all of which Benitez ducks and that woefully inept Carlos Padilla stops the fight with about 6 seconds to go. I thought at the time, what was he afraid of it going to the cards and Ray not getting the verdict. Pissed me off. 2) Ayub Kalule - Kalule was very strong and had been coming on strong in the 7th and 8th but Leonard was ahead on my card although momentum semed to be swinging towards Kalule. In the 9th Leonard hits hit with something like a 9 punch combination that finally drops him. Kalule gets up no problem but the ref stops the fight and the time is given as 2:59. Except it wasn't 2:59 it was 3:06. Mysteriously the timekeeper did not ring the bell, which would have given Kalule a chance to recover between rounds. 3) The Hearns rematch - No way was that a draw. Say no more. 4) The Hagler fight - Leonard fought a tremendous fight but that shoeshine with 10 seconds to go didn't fool me. I've scored the fight 7-5 Hagler everytime I've seen it.

Perhaps my hatred for Leonard manifested itself when he fought Armando Muniz. Muniz had been my fav for several years and of course he was at the end of his career. He was being outboxed but suddenly really turned it on around the 4th or 5th and made it uncomfortable for Ray with a tremendous body attack. He pulls out after the 6th with tendonitis and says in the post-fight interview that Ray is really good but still has a bit to learn. It's an obligatory statement that every fighter on the way out makes. It saves them a bit of face and they can go out with a bit of dignity. But no, Leonard couldn't give him that and said after Muniz was done, "Oh they all say that!" and in a very smarmy way. I wanted to reach into the TV and grab him around his golden boy throat. Today, I can honestly say he was one of the best. Classless, but talented. Now, don't get me started about Pernell Whitaker. Now we're talking classless, boring and wayyyy overrated.

Scartissue

On Sugar Ray Leonard .... when he was in his prime early 1980s I would always root against him,but at the same I always remain objective and even if I didn't like him I still scored the Hagler fight in Leonards favor, Hagler took too long to get started and Leonard was one step ahead of him, I agree Leonard always had things in his favor and dictated the terms of the Hagler fight by demanding a bigger ring and bigger gloves and also waiting till Hagler got old as he had a chance to fight him 5 years earlier , and no way did he deserve a draw versus Hearns, the Hitman won going away, I think Ali was given more breaks than anyone whoever fought though, Doug Jones, Ken Norton, Jimmy Young, decisions and Ali getting
extra time when he was hurt by Henry Cooper.

Randyman wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote: Its also very good for eating(menudo in general) it sounds bad with pigs stomach.. but its pretty damn good

It's an acquired taste. I would have enjoyed it more if I'd known it was for breakfast and not for dinner.

Breakfast, lunch or dinner but especially after a late night bout of drinking. One of mankind's greatest cure for a hangover. Back in the day, at house party's or wedding receptions, there was always a big pot of Menudo just simmering away on the stove top. It might seem odd but it was almost always the highlight of the night. Late at night or early morning the bowls were passed and served, maybe with some tamales on the side and lots of corn tortillas. I never passed up on the patas (Cows Feet) and I know Frank didn't either. If you were out drinking with friends than a stop at a local late night Mexican restaurant was almost mandatory. The downside to that was that there was no menudo to enjoy for breakfast.

It is however, an acquired taste, no doubt about it. My best friend growing up, Richard Erickson, had his roots in Nebraska. We would spend the weekends at each other's house (he lived one house way). his mother would make huge panckakes, homemade syrup, etc. Typical and good Midwestern food. We ate pretty much the same but on Sundays it was Menudo. One day Richard spent the night and we all sat down at the table for breakfast. My mom put a bowl of menudo in front of him, with a small chunk of pata. he turned a light shade of green. He asked what was in it. My father told him what it was. He turned greener by the second and it wasn't from envy. He almost looked ready to puke. My mom took the bowl and asked him if he would prefer some bacon and eggs. he never did acquire the taste. My pal, the late Steve Wallace, who was 3/4 Scot and 1/4 Cherokee developed a taste for it in his late twenties. There was no stopping this guy. He did develop quite a taste for Menudo.

I can understand tough why it might not be appealing to some. definitely an acquired taste.