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Rick Farris wrote:Buddy Evatt . . .

Frank, I know that Buddy Evatt was Jackie McCoy's best friend, and former fighter.
I see that Evatt fought Velesquez, and I know he fought a number of other good fighters.
Frank, any memories of Buddy Evatt?

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Rick Farris wrote:California Boxing Hall of Fame . . .

I'm going to buy my table(s) this weekend and I would like to know who might need a seat?
I'm expecting Brian Higgins and his wife to sit at the Fritizie Zivic table, along with Monica, myself and my dad.
I need to know if Remy and his wife will be attending, and Paul. Paul if you are coming will you be bringing your wife or a guest?
I don't want to leave anybody out, if you post here and are certain you will be attending and need a seat at our tables let me know now.
Don Fraser has promised to keep the Zivic table, close to Frank's table and Tom Ray's Bob Fitzsimmons table. So we'll all be together.
I don't care who sits where, but I need a count to determine if I should reserve one or two tables.
It will be great seeing Ray "Windmill" White again as he accepts his CBHOF induction, along with Dwight Hawkins and others.
Monica has attended three World Boxing Hall banquets with me and says she prefers the CBHOF luncheon. The food is great at the Sportsman's Lodge.


-Rick Farris

Rick Farris wrote:California Boxing Hall of Fame . . .

I'm going to buy my table(s) this weekend and I would like to know who might need a seat?
I'm expecting Brian Higgins and his wife to sit at the Fritizie Zivic table, along with Monica, myself and my dad.
I need to know if Remy and his wife will be attending, and Paul. Paul if you are coming will you be bringing your wife or a guest?
I don't want to leave anybody out, if you post here and are certain you will be attending and need a seat at our tables let me know now.
Don Fraser has promised to keep the Zivic table, close to Frank's table and Tom Ray's Bob Fitzsimmons table. So we'll all be together.
I don't care who sits where, but I need a count to determine if I should reserve one or two tables.
It will be great seeing Ray "Windmill" White again as he accepts his CBHOF induction, along with Dwight Hawkins and others.
Monica has attended three World Boxing Hall banquets with me and says she prefers the CBHOF luncheon. The food is great at the Sportsman's Lodge.


-Rick Farris

raylawpc wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:California Boxing Hall of Fame . . .

I'm going to buy my table(s) this weekend and I would like to know who might need a seat?
I'm expecting Brian Higgins and his wife to sit at the Fritizie Zivic table, along with Monica, myself and my dad.
I need to know if Remy and his wife will be attending, and Paul. Paul if you are coming will you be bringing your wife or a guest?
I don't want to leave anybody out, if you post here and are certain you will be attending and need a seat at our tables let me know now.
Don Fraser has promised to keep the Zivic table, close to Frank's table and Tom Ray's Bob Fitzsimmons table. So we'll all be together.
I don't care who sits where, but I need a count to determine if I should reserve one or two tables.
It will be great seeing Ray "Windmill" White again as he accepts his CBHOF induction, along with Dwight Hawkins and others.
Monica has attended three World Boxing Hall banquets with me and says she prefers the CBHOF luncheon. The food is great at the Sportsman's Lodge.


-Rick Farris

I'm buying a table, but I'm not even 100% sure that I'll be there. Even if I come, my wife probably won't. I haven't heard back from David Jack - Bob Fitzsimmon's nephew - whether he will be there. Last year, my table wasn't full and it would have been less than 1/2 full if Bobby and Rosie hadn't sat with us. If David Jack doesn't come, there should be plenty of room at my table.

Rick Farris wrote:California Boxing Hall of Fame . . .

I'm going to buy my table(s) this weekend and I would like to know who might need a seat?
I'm expecting Brian Higgins and his wife to sit at the Fritizie Zivic table, along with Monica, myself and my dad.
I need to know if Remy and his wife will be attending, and Paul. Paul if you are coming will you be bringing your wife or a guest?
I don't want to leave anybody out, if you post here and are certain you will be attending and need a seat at our tables let me know now.
Don Fraser has promised to keep the Zivic table, close to Frank's table and Tom Ray's Bob Fitzsimmons table. So we'll all be together.
I don't care who sits where, but I need a count to determine if I should reserve one or two tables.
It will be great seeing Ray "Windmill" White again as he accepts his CBHOF induction, along with Dwight Hawkins and others.
Monica has attended three World Boxing Hall banquets with me and says she prefers the CBHOF luncheon. The food is great at the Sportsman's Lodge.


-Rick Farris

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:California Boxing Hall of Fame . . .

I'm going to buy my table(s) this weekend and I would like to know who might need a seat?
I'm expecting Brian Higgins and his wife to sit at the Fritizie Zivic table, along with Monica, myself and my dad.
I need to know if Remy and his wife will be attending, and Paul. Paul if you are coming will you be bringing your wife or a guest?
I don't want to leave anybody out, if you post here and are certain you will be attending and need a seat at our tables let me know now.
Don Fraser has promised to keep the Zivic table, close to Frank's table and Tom Ray's Bob Fitzsimmons table. So we'll all be together.
I don't care who sits where, but I need a count to determine if I should reserve one or two tables.
It will be great seeing Ray "Windmill" White again as he accepts his CBHOF induction, along with Dwight Hawkins and others.
Monica has attended three World Boxing Hall banquets with me and says she prefers the CBHOF luncheon. The food is great at the Sportsman's Lodge.


-Rick Farris

Rick , thanks for asking, I will be coming alone , also I need info on when and where I can buy my ticket thank you.

Panzerfaust wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:California Boxing Hall of Fame . . .

I'm going to buy my table(s) this weekend and I would like to know who might need a seat?
I'm expecting Brian Higgins and his wife to sit at the Fritizie Zivic table, along with Monica, myself and my dad.
I need to know if Remy and his wife will be attending, and Paul. Paul if you are coming will you be bringing your wife or a guest?
I don't want to leave anybody out, if you post here and are certain you will be attending and need a seat at our tables let me know now.
Don Fraser has promised to keep the Zivic table, close to Frank's table and Tom Ray's Bob Fitzsimmons table. So we'll all be together.
I don't care who sits where, but I need a count to determine if I should reserve one or two tables.
It will be great seeing Ray "Windmill" White again as he accepts his CBHOF induction, along with Dwight Hawkins and others.
Monica has attended three World Boxing Hall banquets with me and says she prefers the CBHOF luncheon. The food is great at the Sportsman's Lodge.


-Rick Farris

Rick , ill be attending(if the plain dont go down and they let me throught imigration ) ,but not my better half

Rick Farris wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:California Boxing Hall of Fame . . .

I'm going to buy my table(s) this weekend and I would like to know who might need a seat?
I'm expecting Brian Higgins and his wife to sit at the Fritizie Zivic table, along with Monica, myself and my dad.
I need to know if Remy and his wife will be attending, and Paul. Paul if you are coming will you be bringing your wife or a guest?
I don't want to leave anybody out, if you post here and are certain you will be attending and need a seat at our tables let me know now.
Don Fraser has promised to keep the Zivic table, close to Frank's table and Tom Ray's Bob Fitzsimmons table. So we'll all be together.
I don't care who sits where, but I need a count to determine if I should reserve one or two tables.
It will be great seeing Ray "Windmill" White again as he accepts his CBHOF induction, along with Dwight Hawkins and others.
Monica has attended three World Boxing Hall banquets with me and says she prefers the CBHOF luncheon. The food is great at the Sportsman's Lodge.


-Rick Farris

Rick , ill be attending(if the plain dont go down and they let me throught imigration ) ,but not my better half

Great, Remy! A ticket will be waiting for you at the front desk of the event.

CNorkusJr wrote:My father told me that the managers he had took between 25% to 33% of his cut depending on the time of his career, but by the same token it was well spent. Back when fighters were fighting once every two months or in some cases once every month,there were expenses to be paid.My father was a full-time boxer (trained full time-year round).
Gym dues and licenses were always paid by his managers. When my father fought in other cities,my fathers managers always got his opponents to include the plane tickets as part of his guaranteed purse.His managers also paid his hotel stays on the road too. Most were high class places too.When things were slow they always coughed food money as well.
Yea,they probably did take more in the long run,but they kept his contracts coming that for my father,kept his wheels greased.
The only bad thing he said was that his last manager didnt give the taxman his whole due when his manager said he did. In the early 1960's the taxman came calling,and my father paid up. He went to collect it from his manager at that time-I dont know the results.
I have read horror stories about managers and the boxers they represented. Though my father thought his guys did the right thing by him, overall I'm not too sure.
Dont forget the mob took a cut too,besides staking a claim on the whole purse out of the gates also. Back then,alot of money flowing was cash, a great sum not recorded anywhere.

raylawpc wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote:My father told me that the managers he had took between 25% to 33% of his cut depending on the time of his career, but by the same token it was well spent. Back when fighters were fighting once every two months or in some cases once every month,there were expenses to be paid.My father was a full-time boxer (trained full time-year round).
Gym dues and licenses were always paid by his managers. When my father fought in other cities,my fathers managers always got his opponents to include the plane tickets as part of his guaranteed purse.His managers also paid his hotel stays on the road too. Most were high class places too.When things were slow they always coughed food money as well.
Yea,they probably did take more in the long run,but they kept his contracts coming that for my father,kept his wheels greased.
The only bad thing he said was that his last manager didnt give the taxman his whole due when his manager said he did. In the early 1960's the taxman came calling,and my father paid up. He went to collect it from his manager at that time-I dont know the results.
I have read horror stories about managers and the boxers they represented. Though my father thought his guys did the right thing by him, overall I'm not too sure.
Dont forget the mob took a cut too,besides staking a claim on the whole purse out of the gates also. Back then,alot of money flowing was cash, a great sum not recorded anywhere.

The NYSAC tightly regulated boxing managers, and by government regulation restricted the managers cut of the purse to 1/3. Even out-of-town managers had to sign a new contract with their charges when they brought them into a fight in New York. In the mid-west some managers typically took 1/2 of the purse, and were typically pissed when they had to sign a new contract in NY state to govern the terms of their representation on the NY State fight. I'm not sure how the NYSAC enforced it, but they must have had some way because I know managers who hated seeing their purse cut to 1/3 when their fighters fought in NY State.

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote:My father told me that the managers he had took between 25% to 33% of his cut depending on the time of his career, but by the same token it was well spent. Back when fighters were fighting once every two months or in some cases once every month,there were expenses to be paid.My father was a full-time boxer (trained full time-year round).
Gym dues and licenses were always paid by his managers. When my father fought in other cities,my fathers managers always got his opponents to include the plane tickets as part of his guaranteed purse.His managers also paid his hotel stays on the road too. Most were high class places too.When things were slow they always coughed food money as well.
Yea,they probably did take more in the long run,but they kept his contracts coming that for my father,kept his wheels greased.
The only bad thing he said was that his last manager didnt give the taxman his whole due when his manager said he did. In the early 1960's the taxman came calling,and my father paid up. He went to collect it from his manager at that time-I dont know the results.
I have read horror stories about managers and the boxers they represented. Though my father thought his guys did the right thing by him, overall I'm not too sure.
Dont forget the mob took a cut too,besides staking a claim on the whole purse out of the gates also. Back then,alot of money flowing was cash, a great sum not recorded anywhere.

The NYSAC tightly regulated boxing managers, and by government regulation restricted the managers cut of the purse to 1/3. Even out-of-town managers had to sign a new contract with their charges when they brought them into a fight in New York. In the mid-west some managers typically took 1/2 of the purse, and were typically pissed when they had to sign a new contract in NY state to govern the terms of their representation on the NY State fight. I'm not sure how the NYSAC enforced it, but they must have had some way because I know managers who hated seeing their purse cut to 1/3 when their fighters fought in NY State.

In California if there was a sign contract between boxer and manager, a check was cut out to the boxer for 2/3 and a check for the manager for 1/3 of the purse by the promoter, checks were given to a representative of the CSAC, said representative would then give checks to boxer and manager, if there was no contract sign between Boxer/manager the whole purse was paid to the boxer.

raylawpc wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote: The NYSAC tightly regulated boxing managers, and by government regulation restricted the managers cut of the purse to 1/3. Even out-of-town managers had to sign a new contract with their charges when they brought them into a fight in New York. In the mid-west some managers typically took 1/2 of the purse, and were typically pissed when they had to sign a new contract in NY state to govern the terms of their representation on the NY State fight. I'm not sure how the NYSAC enforced it, but they must have had some way because I know managers who hated seeing their purse cut to 1/3 when their fighters fought in NY State.

In California if there was a sign contract between boxer and manager, a check was cut out to the boxer for 2/3 and a check for the manager for 1/3 of the purse by the promoter, checks were given to a representative of the CSAC, said representative would then give checks to boxer and manager, if there was no contract sign between Boxer/manager the whole purse was paid to the boxer.

Maybe that's the way they did it in New York too. It's funny, though, I remember the managers would really bitch about the 1/3 - 2/3 cut in New York, but I never heard them say anything about the same cut in California. Maybe it was that they had to sign a new contract just for NY and perhaps some additional paperwork. I don't know.

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

kikibalt wrote: In California if there was a sign contract between boxer and manager, a check was cut out to the boxer for 2/3 and a check for the manager for 1/3 of the purse by the promoter, checks were given to a representative of the CSAC, said representative would then give checks to boxer and manager, if there was no contract sign between Boxer/manager the whole purse was paid to the boxer.

Maybe that's the way they did it in New York too. It's funny, though, I remember the managers would really bitch about the 1/3 - 2/3 cut in New York, but I never heard them say anything about the same cut in California. Maybe it was that they had to sign a new contract just for NY and perhaps some additional paperwork. I don't know.

When my boys fought out of state we never had to sign a new contract, our California contract was honor in other states. When fighting out of town, expenses (traveling, lodging) were always paid by the promoter on top of the purse.

raylawpc wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote: Maybe that's the way they did it in New York too. It's funny, though, I remember the managers would really bitch about the 1/3 - 2/3 cut in New York, but I never heard them say anything about the same cut in California. Maybe it was that they had to sign a new contract just for NY and perhaps some additional paperwork. I don't know.

When my boys fought out of state we never had to sign a new contract, our California contract was honor in other states. When fighting out of town, expenses (traveling, lodging) were always paid by the promoter on top of the purse.

Did your boys ever fight in New York?

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

kikibalt wrote: When my boys fought out of state we never had to sign a new contract, our California contract was honor in other states. When fighting out of town, expenses (traveling, lodging) were always paid by the promoter on top of the purse.

Did your boys ever fight in New York?

Tony fought in N.Y., N.J. and Pa. in the east coast. Frankie in Fl.

raylawpc wrote:Your forgot the Pennsylvania fight:

Pennsylvania Hall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States (1-18-1992)

Meldrick Taylor W Glenwood Brown UD 12
Pernell Whitaker W Harold Brazier UD 10
Tony Baltazar L Rodney Moore PTS 10
Nick Rupa W Joseph Alexander PTS 8
Tim Littles W Willie Douglas PTS
Derrell Coley W Eric Holland PTS 4 xtrat
Jimmy Deoria W Richard Andrews PTS 4
Reinaldo Almodovar L Frank Savannah SD 4