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Posted: **02 Apr 2011, 19:35**

raylawpc wrote:Your forgot the Pennsylvania fight:

Pennsylvania Hall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States (1-18-1992)

Meldrick Taylor W Glenwood Brown UD 12
Pernell Whitaker W Harold Brazier UD 10
Tony Baltazar L Rodney Moore PTS 10
Nick Rupa W Joseph Alexander PTS 8
Tim Littles W Willie Douglas PTS 6
Derrell Coley W Eric Holland PTS 4
Jimmy Deoria W Richard Andrews PTS 4
Reinaldo Almodovar L Frank Savannah SD 4

Tony was past prime at this point, but always able to win suddenly.
I don't remember Frank in Tony's corner?

Posted: **02 Apr 2011, 19:38**

Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Your forgot the Pennsylvania fight:

Pennsylvania Hall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States (1-18-1992)

Meldrick Taylor W Glenwood Brown UD 12
Pernell Whitaker W Harold Brazier UD 10
Tony Baltazar L Rodney Moore PTS 10
Nick Rupa W Joseph Alexander PTS 8
Tim Littles W Willie Douglas PTS
Derrell Coley W Eric Holland PTS 4 xtrat
Jimmy Deoria W Richard Andrews PTS 4
Reinaldo Almodovar L Frank Savannah SD 4
No, I did'nt forget. I did not intend to post more than a NY subject, the Jersey reference was just an extra.

Thanks anyway for picking up my slack.

Posted: **02 Apr 2011, 20:07**

By the way, most believe that Tony whipped Howard Davis, was robbed.
That's what I think.

Posted: **02 Apr 2011, 20:16**

Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Your forgot the Pennsylvania fight:

Pennsylvania Hall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States (1-18-1992)

Meldrick Taylor W Glenwood Brown UD 12
Pernell Whitaker W Harold Brazier UD 10
Tony Baltazar L Rodney Moore PTS 10
Nick Rupa W Joseph Alexander PTS 8
Tim Littles W Willie Douglas PTS 6
Derrell Coley W Eric Holland PTS 4
Jimmy Deoria W Richard Andrews PTS 4
Reinaldo Almodovar L Frank Savannah SD 4
Tony was past prime at this point, but always able to win suddenly.
I don't remember Frank in Tony's corner?

This was a non-TV fight and I was working the corner, a guy by the name of Tio Mata was helping out in the corner. Yes Tony was past his prime. If Tony ever got robbed of a win, this fight was it. We had the 3 knockdown rule in this fight, Tony drops Moore 3 times in the first round, thus, the should have been over, but no, the referee picked Moore up after the third knockdown and leaned him against the ropes and 15 second later the bell rang. Moore recover to make a fight of it for the next 9 rounds, but I thought Tony did more than Moore to win the fight. The Promoter couldn't let Moore lose as he was been groom for a title shot, which he got about a year later.

Posted: **02 Apr 2011, 20:22**

Jerry Quarry wasn't a big heavyweight, he was a finisher. When his mind was free, Quarry could box beautifully, a razor sharp counter-puncher who would take chances.
The so-called experts said Quarry would be done in by Earnie Shavers in 1973.

Watch Jerry Quarry do what today's heavyweights don't, becasue they can't . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEpVPBH1 ... grec_index

Posted: **02 Apr 2011, 20:37**

kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Your forgot the Pennsylvania fight:

Pennsylvania Hall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States (1-18-1992)

Meldrick Taylor W Glenwood Brown UD 12
Pernell Whitaker W Harold Brazier UD 10
Tony Baltazar L Rodney Moore PTS 10
Nick Rupa W Joseph Alexander PTS 8
Tim Littles W Willie Douglas PTS 6
Derrell Coley W Eric Holland PTS 4
Jimmy Deoria W Richard Andrews PTS 4
Reinaldo Almodovar L Frank Savannah SD 4
Tony was past prime at this point, but always able to win suddenly.
I don't remember Frank in Tony's corner?
This was a non-TV fight and I was working the corner, a guy by the name of Tio Mata was helping out in the corner. Yes Tony was past his prime. If Tony ever got robbed of a win, this fight was it. We had the 3 knockdown rule in this fight, Tony drops Moore 3 times in the first round, thus, the should have been over, but no, the referee picked Moore up after the third knockdown and leaned him against the ropes and 15 second later the bell rang. Moore recover to make a fight of it for the next 9 rounds, but I thought Tony did more than Moore to win the fight. The Promoter couldn't let Moore lose as he was been groom for a title shot, which he got about a year later.

Frank, that sounds like a Duva deal.
Tony had a lot against him going into Philly for that fight.
I wish we could watch it. I remember the controversy.
The East Coast, especially facing the opposition Tony faced (TV network favorites/Olympic legend, etc.), posed a double challenge to Tony.
I rermember how protected Davis was, like Leonard and the rest of the 1976 Olympians. Davis was a Long Island, NY native, as well.
As a top contender, I most appreciate Tony's simple win over Roger Mayweather in the Valley.
When you think of the guys Tony B. fought, like Camacho, Blake, Mayweather, Davis, Moore, McGirt, etc. and the outcome of each, it reflects "just how close", some were to a real world championship.
I get excited when I think of the L.A. Jr. Glovers that made it as pros. The Baltazar boys, Davila, Duarte, Mando Ramos and the Quarry's and so many before and after these guys!

Posted: **02 Apr 2011, 21:02**

kikibalt wrote:Colleagues remember legendary trainer Clancy

By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports

Hall of Fame boxing trainer Gil Clancy, who took Emile Griffith out of a factory and turned him into the world welterweight and middleweight champion, died at 88 on Thursday following a lengthy illness.

Clancy was one of the pivotal figures in boxing in the second part of the 20th century, training and managing dozens of elite fighters, running the boxing program at New York’s Madison Square Garden and working as an expert television analyst on boxing broadcasts on CBS and HBO.

Among the heavyweights champions he worked with during his career were George Foreman, Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali. He came out of retirement in 1997 and served as Oscar De La Hoya’s co-trainer for several years, working primarily as a strategist and making observations.

He had a close relationship with one-time heavyweight contender Gerry Cooney, who was 18 and a top amateur when he met Clancy for the first time. Clancy only trained Cooney for one fight, the final fight of his career in 1990, when he was stopped by Foreman.

But they had struck up a close friendship in 1974 and remained close until the end.

“We’ve lost one of the giants today,” Cooney said. “I loved the man. He was a great trainer and he did so much for boxers as a trainer, but the thing I remember most about him is what a great, great guy he was. He loved to joke around and laugh and he was always fun to be around. They don’t make too many like Gil, and they never have.”

Clancy was named Manager of the Year in 1967 and 1973 by the Boxing Writers Association of America and in 1983 was given its Sam Taub Award for Excellence in Boxing Broadcasting.

Clancy began to train Foreman in 1975, after Foreman had been knocked out the previous year by Ali. Foreman said Clancy helped him adjust to and become a better broadcaster when Foreman was hired as HBO’s boxing analyst.

“Gil Clancy was an all-time great boxing man and a great all-time friend,” Foreman said. “I was lucky to have him as a part of my life. The daily workouts were never boring with Gil. He always had something new and different to say and to teach.”

Clancy, who had a Master’s degree in education and was a former teacher, also became close with De La Hoya. He had been retired when De La Hoya hired him in 1997, but he stuck with De La Hoya for two years and developed a fast friendship.

De La Hoya said Thursday that he was amazed by Clancy’s knowledge of the sport and the ease with which he delivered it. He said Clancy was always joking and made boxing fun. “He made me want to go to the gym and train, particularly for the [Felix] Trinidad fight,” De La Hoya said. “He brought a great deal of energy to the gym, or wherever we were, and was a pleasure to be around.

“The knowledge he had, you can’t buy it. He had these stories he would tell of fighters he had trained, and he knew so many little details. I’d be shadow boxing and he would make these comments about things like my footwork, or where to position my left hook, or how to jab better. I had a pretty good jab, but he definitely made it better.”

Marc Ratner, the former executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, said Clancy was one of the elite trainers of his era. Ratner said Clancy was “sort of a Damon Runyan character” and was one of the sport’s leading historians.

Top Rank chairman Bob Arum, a longtime friend of Clancy’s, was emotional upon learning the news.

Arum, who once was partners in a thoroughbred race horse with Clancy, said he’ll remember Clancy as more than a boxing figure.

“Gil was one of my best friends and when I reflect upon his death, I’m flooded with many wonderful memories of him,” Arum said. “We spent considerable time together, when he was a trainer and a commentator. He was a big part of my life, and I remember cavorting around at some of Europe’s finest watering holes having a lot of fun together as we were doing fights. He really brightened my life and, even though he’s gone, I’m left with all these memories. I’ll never forget him.”

Clancy is survived by five children, 18 grandchildren and 19 great grandchildren.

I'm sorry to hear about Gil Clancy's passing. He was one of the few remaining old school trainers that understood the meaning and definition of the word "Professional". Literally a dying breed. Clancy always struck me as a man that was happy and satisfied with his life. His career in boxing was probably just the icing on the cake.

Rest in peace Mr. Clancy

Posted: **02 Apr 2011, 21:21**

The last two weeks have been somewhat grueling for me (relatively speaking). I have been walking everyday, anywhere from a half hour to one hour at a brisk pace, between 1 and 1/2 to 3 miles (with some running mixed in), along with shadow boxing and just basic working out. I have drastically reduced my eating, especially the carbs.

My numbers were so low that for all practical purposes it looks like my diabetes has disappeared. The Docs were in disbelief. It made feel good to know that I can still surprise people. The truth is though that diabetes will never disappear, it can only be controlled. Right now I'm in control.

I weighed 207 this morning. In about a week or so, ll be under 200lbs for the first time in a decade. Considering a little less than two years ago I was 240lbs that's not too bad. To quote James Brown "I Feel Good!"

Posted: **02 Apr 2011, 21:24**

Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: Tony was past prime at this point, but always able to win suddenly.
I don't remember Frank in Tony's corner?
This was a non-TV fight and I was working the corner, a guy by the name of Tio Mata was helping out in the corner. Yes Tony was past his prime. If Tony ever got robbed of a win, this fight was it. We had the 3 knockdown rule in this fight, Tony drops Moore 3 times in the first round, thus, the should have been over, but no, the referee picked Moore up after the third knockdown and leaned him against the ropes and 15 second later the bell rang. Moore recover to make a fight of it for the next 9 rounds, but I thought Tony did more than Moore to win the fight. The Promoter couldn't let Moore lose as he was been groom for a title shot, which he got about a year later.
Frank, that sounds like a Duva deal.
Tony had a lot against him going into Philly for that fight.
I wish we could watch it. I remember the controversy.
The East Coast, especially facing the opposition Tony faced (TV network favorites/Olympic legend, etc.), posed a double challenge to Tony.
I rermember how protected Davis was, like Leonard and the rest of the 1976 Olympians. Davis was a Long Island, NY native, as well.
As a top contender, I most appreciate Tony's simple win over Roger Mayweather in the Valley.
When you think of the guys Tony B. fought, like Camacho, Blake, Mayweather, Davis, Moore, McGirt, etc. and the outcome of each, it reflects "just how close", some were to a real world championship.
I get excited when I think of the L.A. Jr. Glovers that made it as pros. The Baltazar boys, Davila, Duarte, Mando Ramos and the Quarry's and so many before and after these guys!

...and don't forget our very own Rick Farris!

Posted: **02 Apr 2011, 21:34**

Randyman wrote:The last two weeks have been somewhat grueling for me (relatively speaking). I have been walking everyday, anywhere from a half hour to one hour at a brisk pace, between 1 and 1/2 to 3 miles (with some running mixed in), along with shadow boxing and just basic working out. I have drastically reduced my eating, especially the carbs.

My numbers were so low that for all practical purposes it looks like my diabetes has disappeared. The Docs were in disbelief. It made feel good to know that I can still surprise people. The truth is though that diabetes will never disappear, it can only be controlled. Right now I'm in control.

I weighed 207 this morning. In about a week or so, ll be under 200lbs for the first time in a decade. Considering a little less than two years ago I was 240lbs that's not too bad. To quote James Brown "I Feel Good!"

Great Randy!
Changing habits takes heart.
It's no secret you have a big heart!

Posted: **02 Apr 2011, 22:12**

Jerry Quarry talks about his career . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APikPgwJ ... re=related

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 00:13**

raylawpc wrote:
CNorkusJr wrote:My father told me that the managers he had took between 25% to 33% of his cut depending on the time of his career, but by the same token it was well spent. Back when fighters were fighting once every two months or in some cases once every month,there were expenses to be paid.My father was a full-time boxer (trained full time-year round).
Gym dues and licenses were always paid by his managers. When my father fought in other cities,my fathers managers always got his opponents to include the plane tickets as part of his guaranteed purse.His managers also paid his hotel stays on the road too. Most were high class places too.When things were slow they always coughed food money as well.
Yea,they probably did take more in the long run,but they kept his contracts coming that for my father,kept his wheels greased.
The only bad thing he said was that his last manager didnt give the taxman his whole due when his manager said he did. In the early 1960's the taxman came calling,and my father paid up. He went to collect it from his manager at that time-I dont know the results.
I have read horror stories about managers and the boxers they represented. Though my father thought his guys did the right thing by him, overall I'm not too sure.
Dont forget the mob took a cut too,besides staking a claim on the whole purse out of the gates also. Back then,alot of money flowing was cash, a great sum not recorded anywhere.
The NYSAC tightly regulated boxing managers, and by government regulation restricted the manager's cut of the purse to 1/3. Even out-of-town managers had to sign a new contract with their charges when they brought them into a fight in New York. In the mid-west some managers typically took 1/2 of the purse, and were pissed when they had to sign a new contract in NY state to govern the terms of their representation in the NY fight. I'm not sure how the NYSAC enforced it, but they must have had some way because I know managers who hated seeing their purse cut to 1/3 when their fighters fought in NY State.

I remember having a few discussions with my father on the control NYSAC had over the boxing world during the 1950's. And I'm pretty sure my father would include the prior decades from when the NYSAC was empowered too.
He told me that NYSAC was the governing force to which just about every other state based their regulations and disciplinary actions on; meaning: If a boxer was suspended or lost his license in New York for any violation,many other states would uphold the decision as well.
If the state of Maine suspended a fighter, New York would most likely recognize it along with the others too. This would cause a huge bloc to be created that boxers couldnt circumvent their situation and render the commissions useless to government of the boxing regulation.Back then, several states would regulate their own contract provisions,like you stated-50% mgrs in some cases,and many had their own scoring rules Rds,Pts, 1/2 pts in Fla in some cases,knockdown rules, all these items would be considered fine, but the discipline was the big factor. This caused alot of fighters to change names during their careers too.

My father talked about a rule once that if you suffered a KO lose in NY ,you had to sit for 30 days to convalest. Many fighters from out of NY had contracts to fight just days after and would come back in under a new name. This would cause heavy suspensions if caught, but some were never caught.This system was easily managed.
That is the power of one ruling body had. Now we have many plus the states concerns as well.Also, if you get out your old Ring books you would see that NYS ran boxing shows in other states under Madison Sq Garden Productions with its cuts going into NYS coffers as well as Mad Sq Garden. Other states would still get their fees & taxes, but double dipping was overlooked.
If you were a CA mgr or any state came to NY and was told to cut your fees to 33%,my bet is that you did.If you got 50% in Oklahoma as a mgr and stayed there, then fine but you would never work in New York. You'd would be shutting yourself out of NY money and fight opportunities. With NY basically boxing central in those days with IBC calling the shots-you would do it. Fighters had recipricol licenses as well, CA license would be honored here as any other states.You wanted your boy in New York, in the Garden or St Nicks and on TV for the TV money. CA was important too. The fights on TV were big. But I bet back in the 40's & 50's money came back to the IBC as well.
Most fights held in Miami came under Mad. Sq Garden Productions.
I dont know if my fathers fights in CA did or not. Ring Book will tell me later on.
Like I said, if your fighter got into trouble here, chances are he wasnt fighting anywhere (at least not recognized on the record). Mgrs and trainers too. If they were suspended,another trainer would handle your guy till you came back.
Times were different.
Things have changed somewhat nowadays. NYS still holds a pretty big final word- like not giving Tyson or Holyfield licenses here, but now the world is a big stage and they will find a place to fight,eventually cutting New Yorks own throat.

I can tell you even today, Melvina Lathan and the deputies meet monthly in HQs in NYC to discuss disciplinary actions in the boxing world. If a serious infraction occurred by a fighter-ANYWHERE-not just here-a hearing would be held not to have that fighter licensed in New York and no doubt followed by several states. Abuse of officials particularly would not be tolerated. Suspensions & revocations are always on-going. Look at Luis Resto & Panama Lewis they never stepped into a New York ring again, with Lewis I think in Florida or Jersey handling little.

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 00:22**

Panzerfaust wrote:If this is the best boxing thread on the web then this :http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=118618 have to be a close #2 Great stuff from Charley

Thank You Remy. My father had a remarkable career and life and left behind a treasure trove of pictures and scrapbooks. I think Boxrec is a great forum to share this material.
If anybody can get enjoyment out of it, like I do here, than its my pleasure.

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 02:33**

I once spent a lovely couple of hours in a New York bus station.

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 03:53**

Rick, thanks for sending my post on to Art Aragon's son Audie.

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 04:54**

Leicester's Rendall Munroe returns from his world title shot in Japan when he tackles Andrey Isaev of Belarus on the Amir Khan-Paul McCloskey bill in Manchester later this month (April 16).
Southpaw Rendall went the full 12 rounds with Toshiaki Nishioka for the WBC super-bantamweight title in Tokyo in October, before conceding a unanimous decision. The muscled Munroe soaked it up bravely and needs to bounce back quickly at the age of 30, which explains this 12-rounder against a known quantity in Isaev, who gave Kevin Mitchell an excellent fight in London in September 2006. He lost on cuts in the 11th round but had not been down and probably deserved the chance to see out the full 12 rounds on a F rank Warren charity show; however, referee Dave Parris doubted the Belarussian corner in their ability to seal the cuts and waved it over, much to Isaev's dismay.
Now down at featherweight, Isaev also lost to Oleh Yefimovych in a 12-rounder last year (points) but otherwise it is wins all the way at 23-2 (7). He lacks great power but boxes smoothly and travels well, having won in the States in 2009 and in Portugal and Turkey, so we can expect him to stretch Munroe, although Munroe is nothing if not solid in a boxing ring, nothing if not superfit, and he works away to the body and picks the better head shots en route to an entertaining 12-round decision.

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 08:19**

bennie wrote:I once spent a lovely couple of hours in a New York bus station.

Wow, If I were you I would not tell anyone that ! I been in NYC Bus stations on fire business, and 10 mins in there is 20 mins too long.
I cant begin to tell you what going ons go on there behind the scenes-lets just say it looks and sounds very unhealthy for anyone-even you.

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 08:31**

kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Your forgot the Pennsylvania fight:

Pennsylvania Hall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States (1-18-1992)

Meldrick Taylor W Glenwood Brown UD 12
Pernell Whitaker W Harold Brazier UD 10
Tony Baltazar L Rodney Moore PTS 10
Nick Rupa W Joseph Alexander PTS 8
Tim Littles W Willie Douglas PTS 6
Derrell Coley W Eric Holland PTS 4
Jimmy Deoria W Richard Andrews PTS 4
Reinaldo Almodovar L Frank Savannah SD 4
Tony was past prime at this point, but always able to win suddenly.
I don't remember Frank in Tony's corner?
This was a non-TV fight and I was working the corner, a guy by the name of Tio Mata was helping out in the corner. Yes Tony was past his prime. If Tony ever got robbed of a win, this fight was it. We had the 3 knockdown rule in this fight, Tony drops Moore 3 times in the first round, thus, the should have been over, but no, the referee picked Moore up after the third knockdown and leaned him against the ropes and 15 second later the bell rang. Moore recover to make a fight of it for the next 9 rounds, but I thought Tony did more than Moore to win the fight. The Promoter couldn't let Moore lose as he was been groom for a title shot, which he got about a year later.

I agree with you Frank on this. Yes,New York has had its fair share of bad decisions and favoring the hometown kid. But to be honest, I seen the same decisions played out in boxing everywhere. I think those kind of decisions now are more prevalent in boxing than ever before. We all seen some early stoppages by refs that we liked or didnt like, judge scorecards that are way off from each other. But you know and I know that the out-of-town boxers are going to have to come in to another territory and take the other fight away heavily from the hometown kid. We all pretty much know that.
My father pointed out the first Nardico fight with him. That fight should have been stopped after the 5th Rd, but Danny, was from Tampa, Fla, and had a shot at Marciano if he beat my father. Of,course they were going to let him go out on his own terms. My father knew it and was not annoyed that much, but rather knew the goose flew in both directions in all matches.

Another subject, thats some card above Frank in Phili. Each going fight going the distance.
Taylor going the distance at that time is rare-must of had a off night,especially a title fight.Brown I saw here in New York and was not in Taylors league I thought,but he knocked him down a couple of times. Whitaker going distance with Brazier doesnt surprise me.
Tony got robbed but I just cant see the 3 down rule not enforced. Are you sure they didnt rule one of them a slip ? No doubt Tony knocked him down-but one must have been "called" a slip

. I seen fights at the Blue Horizon down there that were a disgrace by officiating standards.
Curious- no TV for your fight in Phili. All those fighters took a split from the gate only.?

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 08:50**

Steve Reich revisits tragedy with 'WTC 9/11'

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/ne ... 4008.story

The composer drew on personal experience and the voices of people who were around Ground Zero for the new piece, which the Kronos Quartet will play in Costa Mesa.

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 09:03**

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culture ... slo-1.html

Reading L.A.: Robert Fogelson examines a city 'hooked on growth'

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 09:12**

kikibalt wrote:Steve Reich revisits tragedy with 'WTC 9/11'

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/ne ... 4008.story

The composer drew on personal experience and the voices of people who were around Ground Zero for the new piece, which the Kronos Quartet will play in Costa Mesa.

Thanks Frank, I am not very hip to classical artists. I listen to it some times, but if you ask me who,what,where I am not really sure.
Steve Reich, I am guessing is a pretty good classical music guy. I am not familiar with this project (not that I know what every WTC thing is going on out there) but I saw no mention of his piece in the papers here. I could be wrong.

Over 2 years in the making, a recording company has spoke to anyone directly involved with the WTC disaster a couple years back, and recorded their story in their own words.
This was strictly voluntarily. The recordings are part of a large project that will be available to listen to when the 9-11 NYC Memorial is complete. I myself did not participate in this. Just personal reasons. I wonder if the voices you hear in this fellows music is from that project.

Update on that Memorial if you plan on coming to New York. After years of bickering between developers,the city, and families of of victims (some involved court fights and their arguments are too long to list here); a general agreement has been set upon a couple years back and the project is in its final stages of completion. Though the dedication might not be this year-(I think 2012 is the time frame) great strides have been made in the shape-up of the site. There is in place now a small version that is a temporary place to visit and and see something other than building of the new tower(s).

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 09:20**

Tony Baltazar (middle top row) and his 6th grade flag football team, Tony was the QB.

Circa 1968

Tony and his raggedy tags team won the league championship 3 years in a row.

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 09:29**

kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Your forgot the Pennsylvania fight:

Pennsylvania Hall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States (1-18-1992)

Meldrick Taylor W Glenwood Brown UD 12
Pernell Whitaker W Harold Brazier UD 10
Tony Baltazar L Rodney Moore PTS 10
Nick Rupa W Joseph Alexander PTS 8
Tim Littles W Willie Douglas PTS 6
Derrell Coley W Eric Holland PTS 4
Jimmy Deoria W Richard Andrews PTS 4
Reinaldo Almodovar L Frank Savannah SD 4
Tony was past prime at this point, but always able to win suddenly.
I don't remember Frank in Tony's corner?
This was a non-TV fight and I was working the corner, a guy by the name of Tio Mata was helping out in the corner. Yes Tony was past his prime. If Tony ever got robbed of a win, this fight was it. We had the 3 knockdown rule in this fight, Tony drops Moore 3 times in the first round, thus, the should have been over, but no, the referee picked Moore up after the third knockdown and leaned him against the ropes and 15 second later the bell rang. Moore recover to make a fight of it for the next 9 rounds, but I thought Tony did more than Moore to win the fight. The Promoter couldn't let Moore lose as he was been groom for a title shot, which he got about a year later.

Frank did the ref rule the last knockdown a slip or did he rule all of the knockdowns slips ? .

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 09:39**

THEHAMMER321 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: Tony was past prime at this point, but always able to win suddenly.
I don't remember Frank in Tony's corner?
This was a non-TV fight and I was working the corner, a guy by the name of Tio Mata was helping out in the corner. Yes Tony was past his prime. If Tony ever got robbed of a win, this fight was it. We had the 3 knockdown rule in this fight, Tony drops Moore 3 times in the first round, thus, the should have been over, but no, the referee picked Moore up after the third knockdown and leaned him against the ropes and 15 second later the bell rang. Moore recover to make a fight of it for the next 9 rounds, but I thought Tony did more than Moore to win the fight. The Promoter couldn't let Moore lose as he was been groom for a title shot, which he got about a year later.
Frank did the ref rule the last knockdown a slip or did he rule all of the knockdowns slips ? .

Just the last one, he gave Moore the 8 count on the first two, on the third; Moore without the ref's help wouldn't have been able to get up on his own...damn ref picked moore up!!....

...I am still piss....

Posted: **03 Apr 2011, 09:41**

Rick Farris wrote:Jerry Quarry wasn't a big heavyweight, he was a finisher. When his mind was free, Quarry could box beautifully, a razor sharp counter-puncher who would take chances.
The so-called experts said Quarry would be done in by Earnie Shavers in 1973.
Watch Jerry Quarry do what today's heavyweights don't, becasue they can't . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEpVPBH1 ... grec_index

This fight along with the Lyle fight and Mac Foster fight were Quarrys most impressive, I actually think the Mac Foster fight was even more impressive because Quarry was the only fighter to stop Foster in his career and the fact that Foster was so much bigger and unbeaten at the time 24/0 all kayoes going into the fight shows what kind of fighter Quarry was when his head was in the game.

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