BoxRec

Cholo wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Manuel's Original...El Tepeyac...East Los Angeles



Fu*k it, lets eat....

Man that looks awesome, i'd have to do some roadwork if i ate that every day.......LOL

kikibalt wrote:

Cholo wrote:Frank, Do you think Duran would have beaten Manny Pac, me i think a Roberto Duran in shape would have beaten any fighter that ever lived..

Both in prime I go with Duran. But I won't go as far as you in saying that that he could have beaten any fighter that ever lived, I think he would have had a hard time beating a prime Ike Williams...

Rick Farris wrote:
Boxing Gloves, memories & history . . .

When I was a kid, I used to love boxing gloves.
I got my first pair as a Christmas present from my grand parents.
They were the old brown leather type, with gold laces, pillow-like horse hair padding.
They were typical of boxing gloves you saw boys of the era wear in backyard matches with neighborhood kids.
When we finished, we'd tie them together by the laces and hang them on a nail in the garage.

As I became obsessed with boxing, I'd buy boxing magazines, and it was there I'd get a look at professional boxing gloves on the fists of top prizefighters.
Everlast, Tuff-Wear, G&S, etc. And the best of all came from Mexico- Reyes (then known as "Seyer"), Casanova, M&M, etc. dominated in West Coast gyms and arenas.
I began to notice another brand worn by fighters boxing in Northern California venues, "Flores" was the name tagged to the gloves.
It was a streamlined looking design, like the great Mexican design, with a noticably wide area around the wrist. Horse hair padded, not foam like the new Mexican design.
I saw a photo of Wille Pep wearing a pair of Flores gloves in a fight. And a young Mando Ramos wore them when he began fighting main events at the Olympic.
All but Mando wore the Reyes brand golves provided by the house. Mando's were a special order, Flores gloves. Hand made in Northern California.

Ray Flores was a former boxer in Northern California who became a referee and then started to produce the boxing gloves bearing his name.
In the early 50's, the Hollywood Legion Stadium would order them six pairs at a time, at $10 per pair.
The new gloves were only used for the main event. The prelim boys would wear a slightly used pair.

Of course, sixty years later inflation has upped the price of boxing gloves.
Recently, I purchased a new pair of red 8oz. Reyes boxing gloves, the kind worn in championships fights today, like what we wore when I fought.
I just wanted a pair to hang in my office. The retail price I paid for one pair was $130 plus tax.
$10 dollars may sound like a good deal for boxing gloves today, however, 60 years ago ten bucks would fill the gas tank of a Cadillac twice.

I have a pair of the original AAU sanctioned brown Wilson gloves we used in the amateurs and Junior Golden Gloves back in the 60's. Like new.
And my new Reyes gloves remind me of how good it felt to wear them way back when. They just hang on the wall above my desk.
Boxing gloves have been a part of most of our lives, I still get excited by the old B&W photos of legends wearing the best gloves of their era.
Ray Flores gloves were a part of a great era, great champions.


-Rick Farris

Cholo wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Cholo wrote:Frank, Do you think Duran would have beaten Manny Pac, me i think a Roberto Duran in shape would have beaten any fighter that ever lived..

Both in prime I go with Duran. But I won't go as far as you in saying that that he could have beaten any fighter that ever lived, I think he would have had a hard time beating a prime Ike Williams...

Frank, i agree Ike Williams was a awesome fighter, didn't he defend his Lightweight title against Enrique Bolanos in 1948,
Was that a outdoor fight or the Olympic? Bolanos went the full 15 rounds..

Randyman wrote:

Cholo wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Manuel's Original...El Tepeyac...East Los Angeles



Fu*k it, lets eat....

Man that looks awesome, i'd have to do some roadwork if i ate that every day.......LOL

I had oatmeal this morning. I'm sick of it but I know it's good for me. If I can't have a Manuel's Special from El tepeyac I can at least enjoy a picture of one.

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:

Cholo wrote: Man that looks awesome, i'd have to do some roadwork if i ate that every day.......LOL

I had oatmeal this morning. I'm sick of it but I know it's good for me. If I can't have a Manuel's Special from El tepeyac I can at least enjoy a picture of one.

Randy, you hang in. You have eaten a lifetimes worth of fun food. You will once again have a chance to eat it, but not today.
Get in shape, your stomach will shrink, and when you next tie into a Manuel's Burrito, you won't be able to finish it before your filled.
There is a pot of gold at the end of your rainbow, and another Manuel's burrito, as well. But you have to control your diet, just as a boxer controls a fight.
When your weight is off, you can maintain an excercise program and eat your favorite foods in moderation. A win-win plan.
I'm betting on you. You got a huge heart, and that's what it takes.

Cholo wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Manuel's Original...El Tepeyac...East Los Angeles



Fu*k it, lets eat....

Man that looks awesome, i'd have to do some roadwork if i ate that every day.......LOL

Randyman wrote:Just received this email from my friend Bill O'Neill. Something to look forward to.

"Hard Luck"--the Irish Jerry Quarry Story

Dear Family & Friends:
There's a new, hard-cover book out this week titled "Hard Luck," authored by Steve Springer and Blake Chavez. It is the story of the hard life and sad death of my friend, heavyweight boxer Jerry Quarry. ALL of the photographs used in the book are from "the Collection of Bill O'Neill," and there are frequent references to me (and even a couple of photos with me in 'em) in the book. It is very well-written, but isn't cheap: about $26, plus tax.

Bill

Rick Farris wrote:

Cholo wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Manuel's Original...El Tepeyac...East Los Angeles



Fu*k it, lets eat....

Man that looks awesome, i'd have to do some roadwork if i ate that every day.......LOL

Cholo, I have to tell you that it is awesome. Randy and Frank guided me to Manuel's in East LA a couple years ago.
My wife and I were smart enough to split the "Manuel's Special" pictured above. I'm not a big eater, but man was this good!
When it comes to burritos, I've never seen anything like it.

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:Just received this email from my friend Bill O'Neill. Something to look forward to.

"Hard Luck"--the Irish Jerry Quarry Story

Dear Family & Friends:
There's a new, hard-cover book out this week titled "Hard Luck," authored by Steve Springer and Blake Chavez. It is the story of the hard life and sad death of my friend, heavyweight boxer Jerry Quarry. ALL of the photographs used in the book are from "the Collection of Bill O'Neill," and there are frequent references to me (and even a couple of photos with me in 'em) in the book. It is very well-written, but isn't cheap: about $26, plus tax.

Bill

You know I'll be getting one. Thanks for the tip!

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:Just received this email from my friend Bill O'Neill. Something to look forward to.

"Hard Luck"--the Irish Jerry Quarry Story

Dear Family & Friends:
There's a new, hard-cover book out this week titled "Hard Luck," authored by Steve Springer and Blake Chavez. It is the story of the hard life and sad death of my friend, heavyweight boxer Jerry Quarry. ALL of the photographs used in the book are from "the Collection of Bill O'Neill," and there are frequent references to me (and even a couple of photos with me in 'em) in the book. It is very well-written, but isn't cheap: about $26, plus tax.

Bill

You know I'll be getting one. Thanks for the tip!

Cholo wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:Just received this email from my friend Bill O'Neill. Something to look forward to.

"Hard Luck"--the Irish Jerry Quarry Story

Dear Family & Friends:
There's a new, hard-cover book out this week titled "Hard Luck," authored by Steve Springer and Blake Chavez. It is the story of the hard life and sad death of my friend, heavyweight boxer Jerry Quarry. ALL of the photographs used in the book are from "the Collection of Bill O'Neill," and there are frequent references to me (and even a couple of photos with me in 'em) in the book. It is very well-written, but isn't cheap: about $26, plus tax.

Bill

You know I'll be getting one. Thanks for the tip!

My mom's side of the family are irish, there crazy..

Cholo wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Cholo wrote:Frank, Do you think Duran would have beaten Manny Pac, me i think a Roberto Duran in shape would have beaten any fighter that ever lived..

Both in prime I go with Duran. But I won't go as far as you in saying that that he could have beaten any fighter that ever lived, I think he would have had a hard time beating a prime Ike Williams...

Frank, i agree Ike Williams was a awesome fighter, didn't he defend his Lightweight title against Enrique Bolanos in 1948,
Was that a outdoor fight or the Olympic? Bolanos went the full 15 rounds..

kikibalt wrote:Paul, A.K.A Cholo. A story I wrote a while back. Its made up from some of my long ago memories

Going To The Fights 1951
By Frank Baltazar

Eddie Gomez was watching a boxing match on a nineteen inch TV when his dad, Rudy, came in the house and told Eddie.
“Eddie, look what I have here”
“Pops, did you get some tickets for the title fight?”
Eddie had been bugging his pop to take him to see the Art Argon vs Jimmy Carter lightweight title fight at the Olympic Auditorium for some time, his pop thought that Eddie; been twelve years old was to young to go to the fights.
“Yes, Eddie, I bought four tickets, your uncles, Tony and Ray, will be going with us. Now I hope your mom doesn't get mad at me, she too thinks you are to young to go to the fights”.
Eddie's mom, Lupe, was not too crazy to see Eddie going to the fights, but she did agree with Rudy; that their son would be disappointed if he was not allowed to go with his pop and uncles, so she gave her okay for Eddie to go.

Eddie couldn't wait to find his best friend, Cheno Diaz, to tell him the good news. He found Cheno tending his two cows and one goat at a nearby pasture.
“Cheno, my pops is taking me to see the Aragon and Carter title fight”,
"Gee Eddie, you are lucky, I wish I could go”.
“I'll ask my pop if he can get another ticket for you. Cheno, you think your mom and pops would let you go?”.
“I'll ask them” said Cheno.,
Eddie ask his pop if he could get a ticket for Cheno.
“Yes, I'm sure I can get one, Eddie, you tell Cheno, that if his mom and pop say its okay for him to go; we'll take him with us”.
Next day in school, Eddie told Cheno the good news.
“Cheno, my pops said that he'll get you a ticket if your mom and pop say that's its okay for you to go”.
“Eddie, mom and pop said I could go as long as your father was going, they trust your father, but not your uncle Ray, they say he is crazy, that he himself will get into a fight at the fights”.
“Yeah, uncle Ray is a bit wild, especially when he is drinking beer, but pops won't let him drink too much, he'll be okay”.

Two weeks later, they all piled into Rudy's 1946 Dodge and headed west on Washington Boulevard. Eddie and Cheno were so excited that they couldn't sit still and it was starting to bug uncle Ray.
“If you kids don't sit still, we are going to stop and drop you off here; and you are going to have to wait for us to pick you up after the fights” said uncle Ray.
“Leave them alone Ray, they are just excited to be going to the fights, after all, its their first time to see boxing live. You remember when you went for the first time and you got all crazy on us?, wanting to fight everybody there” said uncle Tony.
“Yeah, but I was drunk; and let me remind you that I was doing okay until that big guy cold-cock me and knocked me on my ass” uncle Ray laughed.

The area was so pack that they had to park 3 blocks away. Eddie and Cheno were shadow boxing as they walked up 18th Avenue.
“Hey Eddie, Cheno, you two want to become fighters, because if you do, I'll train you guys” said uncle Ray.
“Ray, what the hell do you know about training fighters? asked Rudy.
“Hey, Rudy, I have fighting experience”
“Yes, you do but, its street fighting experience, an I don't think you ever won a fight”
“At least I've never been ko, always finish on my feet” laughed Ray.

As the group approached the front entrance of the Olympic, they started seeing movie and boxing celebrities hanging around the sidewalk of Grand Avenue.
“Cheno! There's John Wayne and Pedro Armendariz” said the excitable Eddie
“And over there is Rosemary Cooney and her husband Jose Ferrer” said uncle Tony
“I see Tommy Campbell, Frankie Muche, Bob Murphy, Enrique Bolanos and Freddie Babe Herman over there talking to two men” said Cheno
“That's Cal Eaton and Babe McCoy they are talking too, they are probably talking about upcoming fights” said Rudy
Before entering the Olympic, they all bought the Knockout program from Speedy Dado. Eddie and Cheno started getting autographs on their programs to show their friends in school the next day.

They found their sits in the second to last roll in the peanut gallery. No sooner had they sat down when rolls of toilet paper started flying around, soon some ladies underwear were flying by. Eddie and Cheno started making paper plane and would fly them down to the ring.
“This is fun, Eddie, thanks for bringing me” said Cheno
“Thank my pop, Cheno, he is the one who bought your ticket”

The fighters for the first fight came in the ring. Rudy, Tony and Ray started betting on the fights, they would bet one dollar on the white or black corner, what ever fighter went to the corner they had, that was their bet.
The first fight was won by Al Galindo over Bobby Brewer, Rudy and Tony won a dollar each, Ray lost a dollar.
Second fight was between Joey Gurrola and Sammy Figueroa.
“Cheno, see that big guy in Figueroa's corner? That's big Jake Horn, he's a great trainer” said Eddie
The fight ended in a draw.
“Guess it didn't help Figueroa having Jake Horn in the corner, did it, Eddie? Said Cheno, as he threw a roll of toilet paper.
“He didn't lose did he?” said Eddie
“Well no, he didn't”
.
After a couple of more fights it was time for the main event, Art Aragon and Jimmy Carter would be coming into the ring soon.

Aragon looking weak is the first to come into the ring.
“Aragon is going to lose” said Eddie
“How do you know? Asked uncle Ray.
“Look how pale he looks, I read in the Mirror that he was having trouble making '35” said Eddie.
Carter comes into the ring looking great. After both fighters have been gloved in the ring they are introduce by Jimmy Lennon , referee Mushy Callahan calls the fighters to the center of the ring for their instructions.
The fight started fairly even for the first four rounds, from the fifth round on it was all Carter who won an easy 15 round unanimous decision.
Right after the fight ended uncle Ray wanted to leave.
'Okay guys, our guy lost; so lets get out of here”
“No! We have to stay and watch Keeny Teran fight Bobby Garza, they are fighting a six rounder” said Eddie.
“Ray, Keeny is the toast of the town, we have to stay and watch him fight” said uncle Tony
They stayed and watch Keeny win a unanimous decision.

On the way home Uncle Ray asked Eddie and Cheno if they wanted to fight.
“Guys, if you want to fight, I'll train you, after you train for a couple of months; I'll take you to the downtown CYO where Johnny Flores run the boxing program, I'm sure we can get you some sparring. Johnny is my friend and he'll help us out.
“Ray, you don't even know Johnny Flores” said Rudy
“Well maybe not, but I know where the CYO is at” laughed uncle Ray

Next day at school Eddie and Cheno were the toast of the school as they were holding court with their friends.
“You should have seen Aragon land that left hook of his” said Cheno as he threw a left hook.
“To bad he didn't landed it enough” said Eddie
“He was too weak from making weight”
“He was” agree Eddie
“But you should have seen that little Keeny Teran” Eddie and Cheno said in unison.
“Guys, Cheno and I are going to start training next week, my uncle Ray is going to train us” said Eddie