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scartissue wrote:About last night.....Khan-McCloskey, did not see the ending. Khan did not look comfortable at all fighting a southpaw or was it just McCloskey's hands down style? I don't know but I zonked out after about 3 rounds. The styles weren't meshing for me compounded by the fact I worked 12 hours and have a real nasty cold, I woke up when McCloskey was arguing the stoppage in the post fight interview with a visible cut. Could someone please elaborate for me???? As for Ortiz-Berto, great fight. Ortiz has come a long way in redeeming himself after that Maidana debacle. For me, he still has some ground to make up before I forget about him quitting. It's still stuck in my mind, but again, great fight. Gaspar Ortega's son Michael has to stop listening to the combatants when he's referring. Berto was whining and Ortega was listening. That was a legitimate knockdown the first time around and he was playing the rabbit punching for all it was worth. As for the Lopez fight. Lopez has the Bob Satterfield thing going there. He can bang but can't take it. Did not think the fight should have been stopped. They couold have made a fortune with him and Gamboa but this is the thing. When a big money fight is out there you take it. Don't fart around with pointless defenses otherwise one punch can turn it around like last night. Remember Kennedy McKinney and Tracy Harris Patterson? Both poised to make a million dollar purse against each other. What happens? They fart around and both lose their titles within about a week or two of each other against two fighters who wouldn't draw flies. Strike when the iron is hot!

Scartissue

Khan never really looked like budging McCloskey, Dan, but he was winning when McCloskey picked up the cut. The Puerto Rican doctor then, bizarrely, entered the ring to check the injury, looking young, inexperienced and even a bit of an attention-seeker. McCloskey's promoter, Barry Hearn, went ballistic when the fight was stopped, although McCloskey only began complaining when he saw (and heard) Hearn stomping about.

I've just had a fry-up after waking up blurry-eyed - one egg, four slices of black pudding and half a ripe tomato, plus toast. I threw in the tomato because I'm on a diet.

Great pictures from Basilio – Aragon Frank. Was there anyone Aragon didn’t fight?
Love those shots from outdoor fights, something really magical about them. And to think you were there, and on borrowed money as well!!
I saw a program called Rinsgside Rivalaries on ESPN Classic the other week. Basilio was on talking about his fights with Robinson. Not sure when it was filmed but I would say within the last 5 years and he seemed and sounded in good health. I was bit annoyed that Brian Kenny and/or Bert Sugar wouldn’t let him speak at times though. When he was asked was Robinson the greatest pound for pound ever he said “No, Willie Pep was”.
A few years ago Basilio came to my hometown of Liverpool in the UK for a speaking engagement. Sadly the tickets were expensive and I chose not to go, a decision I regret now as he is unlikely to travel to the UK again.

bennie wrote:

AlFrancis wrote:

bennie wrote:Lonnie Bennett fought Conteh here for the WBC light-heavyweight title. Conteh butted him out of the fight.

Where are you from Bennie?

I'm English, Al, living not too far from Liverpool. Bennett's cut was spouting blood it was so bad.
In Mickey Duff's book, Duff wrote: "Bennett was a typical ghetto tough-nut who had served time for a shooting and then moved from Chicago to Los Angeles and sorted out his life. Conteh wanted to win far more than him."

I live in Liverpool Bennie, where do you live exactly?

Boxingnut wrote:

bennie wrote:

AlFrancis wrote:
Where are you from Bennie?

I'm English, Al, living not too far from Liverpool. Bennett's cut was spouting blood it was so bad.
In Mickey Duff's book, Duff wrote: "Bennett was a typical ghetto tough-nut who had served time for a shooting and then moved from Chicago to Los Angeles and sorted out his life. Conteh wanted to win far more than him."

I live in Liverpool Bennie, where do you live exactly?

I live in Wolverhampton, mate.

bennie wrote:I've just had a fry-up after waking up blurry-eyed - one egg, four slices of black pudding and half a ripe tomato, plus toast. I threw in the tomato because I'm on a diet.

Tomato is one of your five a day!!

bennie wrote:

Boxingnut wrote:

bennie wrote: I'm English, Al, living not too far from Liverpool. Bennett's cut was spouting blood it was so bad.
In Mickey Duff's book, Duff wrote: "Bennett was a typical ghetto tough-nut who had served time for a shooting and then moved from Chicago to Los Angeles and sorted out his life. Conteh wanted to win far more than him."

I live in Liverpool Bennie, where do you live exactly?

I live in Wolverhampton, mate.

Cheers I thought you were Midlands based.

Former heavyweight contender Pat McMurtry died in his home city of Tacoma on Saturday, surroundered by his family. He was 79 and had been battling liver cancer.
The charismatic McMurtry beat men such as Ezzard Charles, Bobo Olson, Charley Norkus and George Chuvalo on the way to a world top 10 ranking in a heavyweight division wide open in the wake of Rocky Marciano's retirement in 1956 but losses to Willie Pastrano and giant Cuban Nino Valdes cost him a shot at Floyd Patterson, and "Irish" Pat was forced to retire in 1959 at the age of 27 after he suffered bleeding on the brain against Eddie Machen.
We never got to see the best of McMurtry, a brilliant jabber with a dangerous shot. He poleaxed Olson with a single left hook and survived an early wobble against a young Chuvalo to outbox and outpoint the rugged Canadian. He easily outboxed a fading Charles on the way to another decision and also outscored the tough Norkus in a battle of former marines. Norkus had no excuses: "He had sting in his punches," said the gracious loser.
Yes, McMurtry's chin let him down against Valdes and the excellent Machen but he was still improving and later graduated to the role of referee, where he handled several world title fights and men of the calibre of Marvin Hagler, Ken Norton, George Foreman and even Chuvalo.

bennie wrote:I've just had a fry-up after waking up blurry-eyed - one egg, four slices of black pudding and half a ripe tomato, plus toast. I threw in the tomato because I'm on a diet.

Bennie, is that what's called a "Full English Breakfast"?

bennie wrote:Former heavyweight contender Pat McMurtry died in his home city of Tacoma on Saturday, surroundered by his family. He was 79 and had been battling liver cancer.
The charismatic McMurtry beat men such as Ezzard Charles, Bobo Olson, Charley Norkus and George Chuvalo on the way to a world top 10 ranking in a heavyweight division wide open in the wake of Rocky Marciano's retirement in 1956 but losses to Willie Pastrano and giant Cuban Nino Valdes cost him a shot at Floyd Patterson, and "Irish" Pat was forced to retire in 1959 at the age of 27 after he suffered bleeding on the brain against Eddie Machen.
We never got to see the best of McMurtry, a brilliant jabber with a dangerous shot. He poleaxed Olson with a single left hook and survived an early wobble against a young Chuvalo to outbox and outpoint the rugged Canadian. He easily outboxed a fading Charles on the way to another decision and also outscored the tough Norkus in a battle of former marines. Norkus had no excuses: "He had sting in his punches," said the gracious loser.
Yes, McMurtry's chin let him down against Valdes and the excellent Machen but he was still improving and later graduated to the role of referee, where he handled several world title fights and men of the calibre of Marvin Hagler, Ken Norton, George Foreman and even Chuvalo.

My condolences to the McMurtry family. R.I.P.

http://youtu.be/F6oagovQgs8
Charley Norkus vs Danny Nardico I

http://youtu.be/Letjrt-ksCg
Charley Norkus vs Ezzard Charles I

R.I.P.

Condolences to the McMurtry family and friends

Frank, have you any photo's from the Aragon v Salas fight?....

Cholo wrote:Frank, have you any photo's from the Aragon v Salas fight?....

No I don't Paul. Wish I had some from their one punch bar fight....



This is all I have from the Aragon/Salas fight.

Randyman wrote:

bennie wrote:I've just had a fry-up after waking up blurry-eyed - one egg, four slices of black pudding and half a ripe tomato, plus toast. I threw in the tomato because I'm on a diet.

Bennie, is that what's called a "Full English Breakfast"?

Nope a full English would include bacon, sausages, possibly mushrooms and baked beans

Frank, thanks, the night club fight....LOL, this is what Art had to say about it, "Tough little SOB, that guy. Only really wanted to be my friend, but we were both drunk, The press said he won, just 'cause he knocked he knocked me down four times." When reminded that his story in the papers claimed he couldn't get his top coat off and Salas jumped him, Aragon laughed loud and long. "That's a good one, huh, yeah that was just an excuse. I like it though, don't you?!".....

Randyman wrote:

bennie wrote:I've just had a fry-up after waking up blurry-eyed - one egg, four slices of black pudding and half a ripe tomato, plus toast. I threw in the tomato because I'm on a diet.

Bennie, is that what's called a "Full English Breakfast"?

A full English includes egg, bacon, sausage, mushroom, black pudding, fried bread, tomato and even baked beans. It's not to be recommended on a daily basis.

bennie wrote:

Randyman wrote:

bennie wrote:I've just had a fry-up after waking up blurry-eyed - one egg, four slices of black pudding and half a ripe tomato, plus toast. I threw in the tomato because I'm on a diet.

Bennie, is that what's called a "Full English Breakfast"?

A full English includes egg, bacon, sausage, mushroom, black pudding, fried bread, tomato and even baked beans. It's not to be recommended on a daily basis.

I'll bet the ranch (if I had one) that Randy could eat that most of the week....

bennie wrote:

Randyman wrote:

bennie wrote:I've just had a fry-up after waking up blurry-eyed - one egg, four slices of black pudding and half a ripe tomato, plus toast. I threw in the tomato because I'm on a diet.

Bennie, is that what's called a "Full English Breakfast"?

A full English includes egg, bacon, sausage, mushroom, black pudding, fried bread, tomato and even baked beans. It's not to be recommended on a daily basis.

Had one last week, although I also had white pudding as well. I have heard called the 'English Breakfast', 'Irish Breakfast' and 'Ulster Fry'. However, I refer to it as 'The Coronary Special'.

Scartissue

scartissue wrote:

bennie wrote:

Randyman wrote: Bennie, is that what's called a "Full English Breakfast"?

A full English includes egg, bacon, sausage, mushroom, black pudding, fried bread, tomato and even baked beans. It's not to be recommended on a daily basis.

Had one last week, although I also had white pudding as well. I have heard called the 'English Breakfast', 'Irish Breakfast' and 'Ulster Fry'. However, I refer to it as 'The Coronary Special'.

Scartissue

Best english breakfast i ever had was while in training camp in Tunisia acctually toast, Bacon, sausage ,eggs, BP, WP , tomatos and beans... to top it of a glass of un pasturized goat milk(not so sure thats classic though)

kikibalt wrote:

bennie wrote:

Randyman wrote: Bennie, is that what's called a "Full English Breakfast"?

A full English includes egg, bacon, sausage, mushroom, black pudding, fried bread, tomato and even baked beans. It's not to be recommended on a daily basis.

I'll bet the ranch (if I had one) that Randy could eat that most of the week....

Frank, you would win that bet, though I would have to add chorizo con papas (chorizo and potatoes) to make it a 'Full Randy Breakfast". Well, the old Randy would but the new Randy is trying to eat a lot smarter.

Back on-line day after Drs visit. Doctor agreed I have a bit of lung infection-gave me antibiotic. Doing better already today. My lung capacity (FEV1 is 64 %) which reflects a liitle downward trend from my normal 70% because of ailment. Other than that I am okay and a few more days on atiibiotic will clear it out.
Thank you ALL for your best wishes and concern. I'll be around for a long time God willing and there is no doubt we will all hook up sooner than later in California or New York.
Thanks Again.


Sorry to hear that Pat McMurtry finally passed away. The report I got Friday was that he was going quick and Family nearby. RIP Pat McMurtry.
Thank You for posting fine piece of him Bennie. I pulled out my dad scrapbook just now and read up on my dads fight with him. A few facts.
July 28,1958 Cheney Field, Tacoma,Wash. (outdoor baseball stadium). 9:15 start. Not-televised (maybe locally-but not mentioned).
McMurtry coming off of lose to Besmanhoff of Germany had ousted Pat from his top-10 ranking (5th) and victory over Norkus would put him back in top ten.
Norkus was on the final year of his career(he did not know it at the time) but hoping a win would line him up with a fight with Johannsen. Johannsen's people said that both would be eligible with a shot at Ingemar if either of them would stay unbeaten in their latest ventures.
Norkus stated he wanted to win this one bad as a birthday present for his son, Charlie Jr who turned 1 yrs old on the 27th.
The first Rd ended with the taller 185 lb. McMurtry scoring early.
Norkus 193 lbs hit McMurtry hard in the 2nd round and was taking fight to him, but broke his left hand in the 2nd round. Norkus said" I felt it go at the end of the rd. ,I couldn't use it anymore, I relied on my rights to stay in there".
The rest of the fight was all McMurtry for the distance UD.
Scoring Ref Jim Rondeau 100-89 Judge Al Whitman 100-88 Ely Caston 100-91
Norkus suffered cuts above and below right eye, but the Drs paid no mind. Norkus asked for a rematch after saying that he could beat McMurtry, but it never came about.
Both fighters would never see a Johannsen fight.


You might be interested to know that the Fight Program says " It is the first time in Heavyweight history of Boxing that two former ALL-Marine Champions had faced each other in a pro ring". Norkus was All Marine Hvywt. Champ in 1948, McMurtry was All Marine Hvywt. Champ in 1952.

kikibalt wrote:

Cholo wrote:Frank, have you any photo's from the Aragon v Salas fight?....

No I don't Paul. Wish I had some from their one punch bar fight....



This is all I have from the Aragon/Salas fight.

Chicano vs Mexican always made for a classic fight in L.A.

CNorkusJr wrote:Back on-line day after Drs visit. Doctor agreed I have a bit of lung infection-gave me antibiotic. Doing better already today. My lung capacity (FEV1 is 64 %) which reflects a liitle downward trend from my normal 70% because of ailment. Other than that I am okay and a few more days on atiibiotic will clear it out.
Thank you ALL for your best wishes and concern. I'll be around for a long time God willing and there is no doubt we will all hook up sooner than later in California or New York.
Thanks Again.


Sorry to hear that Pat McMurtry finally passed away. The report I got Friday was that he was going quick and Family nearby. RIP Pat McMurtry.
Thank You for posting fine piece of him Bennie. I pulled out my dad scrapbook just now and read up on my dads fight with him. A few facts.
July 28,1958 Cheney Field, Tacoma,Wash. (outdoor baseball stadium). 9:15 start. Not-televised (maybe locally-but not mentioned).
McMurtry coming off of lose to Besmanhoff of Germany had ousted Pat from his top-10 ranking (5th) and victory over Norkus would put him back in top ten.
Norkus was on the final year of his career(he did not know it at the time) but hoping a win would line him up with a fight with Johannsen. Johannsen's people said that both would be eligible with a shot at Ingemar if either of them would stay unbeaten in their latest ventures.
Norkus stated he wanted to win this one bad as a birthday present for his son, Charlie Jr who turned 1 yrs old on the 27th.
The first Rd ended with the taller 185 lb. McMurtry scoring early.
Norkus 193 lbs hit McMurtry hard in the 2nd round and was taking fight to him, but broke his left hand in the 2nd round. Norkus said" I felt it go at the end of the rd. ,I couldn't use it anymore, I relied on my rights to stay in there".
The rest of the fight was all McMurtry for the distance UD.
Scoring Ref Jim Rondeau 100-89 Judge Al Whitman 100-88 Ely Caston 100-91
Norkus suffered cuts above and below right eye, but the Drs paid no mind. Norkus asked for a rematch after saying that he could beat McMurtry, but it never came about.
Both fighters would never see a Johannsen fight.

Glad you got a clean bill of heath Charlie! Thanks for sharing that article.

Charlie, a question for you, if I may. Jerry Quarry and your father both stood at an even six feet in height and both fought under 200 lbs, both had a courageous style, lots of heart, so they match up well physically. How do you see a fight going between the two. Both fought in tough eras compared to todays heavyweights. I think it would be a fight fans dream.

Thanks Randy. Very kind words !

You pose a very good Question and scenario.
I will give you my thoughts on it,but first let me what I think my father would say about that.

For years, I have seen my father be interviewed by dozens of sports mags,newscasters,and newspapers. Many asked my father what he thought would be a result of a Norkus-Marciano match-up, the two non-title fights that was contracted to twice but for reasons never occurred, and a handshake on a possible title shot if he got by Ezzard Charles.
My father and his handlers chased Marciano, like any other Heavy out there. He did not fear Rocky. Both fighters knew each other well outside the ring, but that does not mean that they wouldn't take it to each other once in the ring. My father has always respected those who managed to capture the title belt. He wanted that title. He was a competetor.
When asked DURING his career, he always brought up Rocky's name and title, and tried to involve himself into some way of getting at it. This is reflected in his pre & post fight write ups I have. Even when he lost a fight-he always said that he was worth a shot against the champ at that time.
After his career, he softened a little, knowing that his career and title chase was past his time, he answered heartedly that he thought that Rocky could be beat. He cited that my father had "an equalizer" in his left hooks that floored many, and that Rocky was susceptable to lefts". He'd end the question with, "I do not know if I would have won the fight, but it sure would have been interesting".
Deep down, I think he thought he could have beaten him, which is exactly why my father had the heart to do battles, and I mean BATTLES" in the ring.
My father did not play with the mob and their rules, they used him in other ways, but my father would not go down for nobody.Though my father did not state this to me, its in my subsequent talks with many that this just might be the reason there was no title shot for him. Since Rocky also, feared no man- it makes little sense that Rocky ducked my father because of his strong lefts. Seriously doubtful and I make no insinuation of that.

My father with Jerry Quarry. Both had very strong similarities in both style and approach to their respective opponents. I believe my father would tell you, "Bring him on". No doubt about that. I do not like to compare fighters with two different generations. It is much easier to compare two fighters who are the same weight class from their own eras, but because boxing styles and rules and training techniques have changed alot, it is practically fruitless to compare "Marciano-Tyson" "Dempsey-Holmes" that we see out there.
Quarry and Norkus can be compared somewhat. Both had identical styles and hearts and both were bangers from the get go.Quarry might have more power than my father as I seen his legs do the work in his fights. But I think my father was more saavy in avoiding his punches and would capitialize on Jerrys mistakes on his misses. My father would catch him as he got more wild with his rights. Its what my father put in the bank each fight.
Both had good chins, but if Quarry landed squarely it could be over, same could be said about my father. I dont see it going the distance-a slugfest-somebody going to fall- anybody's call.

My father would have loved this match-up, especially if it was in the 1960's. Those two guys and the way they fought could have been a great series of fights and they both would have been a lot richer $$$$$ for it.
Joe DiMaggio once told my father that "he gave him a thrill watching his fights, and too bad that he missed fighting in the 1960's 70's , as he would easily been a millionaire because of it". My father nodded saying Thanks and laughed with Joe. DiMaggio was a huge boxing fan and attended many New York fights. My father had an open invite to eat at his fathers and brothers Restaurant on the Wharf in San Fran "DiMaggio's".