Junior Witter/Devon Alexander

[Dioufy]

Right, that's it. You're on block-mode now you prat.

[DG.]

He got the hiding of his life both times he stepped up, and the gulf in class was well and truely exposed.

No doubt!

[hitman_hatton1]

But Junior's best win was Harris, who got beat by Maussa, who Hatton viciously knocked out.

Hatton knocked him out late after getting cut up like a biitach.

Victor Ortiz knocked out Maussa in 1 round.

Maussa got lucky against Harris and Hatton saw an easy belt.

it says something when witter's best win is against harris.

[DG.]

But Junior's best win was Harris, who got beat by Maussa, who Hatton viciously knocked out.

Hatton knocked him out late after getting cut up like a biitach.

Victor Ortiz knocked out Maussa in 1 round.

Maussa got lucky against Harris and Hatton saw an easy belt.

it says something when witter's best win is against harris.

But is it?

Most devastating at World level but..

Corley
Harris
N'Dou

We not too bad either.


Where were the Cotto's Mosley's - Judah - Holt - Torres - Wotter - Bradly - Margariot- Clottey tc on Hattons record?

The man is an out and out avoided of 'fighters' unless they bring $10M.

Beaten like a piece of fish at elite level, he is a b- fighter at best...at best.

Pacman has never knocked out anyone like that befoe - not even likkle JMM!

[opticald]

Opticald, if Hatton's victims are "nothing to write home about" then what does that make Witter's opposition (the ones he's managed to beat, that is)?

Oh I agree that Witters resume isn't anything to write home about either. Kotelnik, Harris, Ndou, Corley are decent wins, but not elite by any means. But what you are doing is trying to absolve Hatton by comparing him to someone else. If we look PURELY at Hatton, it's plain to see the truth. If he hadn't beat Tszyu, Witter might even have a better resume imo. Regardless, it doesn't matter. Hatton was exposed as one dimensional. Look at his record pre-Tszyu, 40-0 against nobodies. After Tszyu who did he beat?

[Dioufy]

I really don't put Witter down to enhance Hatton's career. I believe wins over world champions in Urango, Maussa, Malignaggi, Collazo and Zoo were quite decent. Hatton's never beaten an elite fighter, and he's not elite, but one thing's for certain - he's done a hell of a lot more than Junior. His wins have been better as well, and in more emphatic style.

[Dioufy]

Look at his record pre-Tszyu, 40-0 against nobodies.

A little bit harsh I believe. Yes, it wasn't great but I wouldn't call Thaxton, Magee, Tackie and Phillips bums. The rest, yeah, that's fair.

[opticald]

Look at his record pre-Tszyu, 40-0 against nobodies.

A little bit harsh I believe. Yes, it wasn't great but I wouldn't call Thaxton, Magee, Tackie and Phillips bums. The rest, yeah, that's fair.

I disagree here. thaxton and Magee were British level. Tackie was a world class punch bag and Philips was 37 or 38 I think. Hatton did well with what he had, I give him that.

[Dioufy]

Optical, but at the time of Thaxton and Magee, Hatton wasn't proven British-level at that moment in time. That's why I believe them to be good wins. I feel the same with Calzaghe when he smashed Delaney. At the time it was an amazing win, and the same goes with the wins over Thaxton and Magee for Hatton.

[Asterix]

Look at his record pre-Tszyu, 40-0 against nobodies.

A little bit harsh I believe. Yes, it wasn't great but I wouldn't call Thaxton, Magee, Tackie and Phillips bums. The rest, yeah, that's fair.

I disagree here. thaxton and Magee were British level. Tackie was a world class punch bag and Philips was 37 or 38 I think. Hatton did well with what he had, I give him that.

British level = nobody? Weird logic.

[Asterix]

Yep, the Witter fans spend an entire thread talking about Hatton, instead of where Junior goes next

Witter has nowhere to go. His style doesn't appeal, his personality doesn't appeal. He's not good enough to win a World title any more. I really think Witter should retire unless he can get passionate about fighting someone a domestically.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

But Junior's best win was Harris, who got beat by Maussa, who Hatton viciously knocked out.

Based on that logic Morua is Witters best win because unlike Hatton he won every round against Maussa. But Harris wasnt at the races against Maussa, it was a fluke loss

[Roars Like Me]

Hatton did a very good job of avoiding threats. I think Witter/Mitchell/Judah/Corley would all have beaten him. He has never done well against slick fighters. Collazo had him reeling. So while he will go down as a guy who only lost to pac and pbf, it's clear that he was pretty one dimensional and just got to Tszyu at the right time. Vince Phillips beat a prime Tszyu, but we all forget about that. Hatton hasn't got much else to show for himself. Old Castillo? The hug fest against Urango? Nothing to write home about there. He got the hiding of his life both times he stepped up, and the gulf in class was well and truely exposed.

Witter, slick fighter, on yer bike DD DD

[Dioufy]

But Junior's best win was Harris, who got beat by Maussa, who Hatton viciously knocked out.

Based on that logic Morua is Witters best win because unlike Hatton he won every round against Maussa. But Harris wasnt at the races against Maussa, it was a fluke loss

No, Harris is Junior's best win. To me you have hit the nail on the head. Harris wasn't there against Maussa and lost. Hatton wasn't there against him too, but was easily winning the fight with two horrendous cuts, and in due course, got the viscious KO - just look at his reaction when Maussa can't get up. It was a bad night for Ricky but he came through it. If Junior has a bad night he gets beat clearly off prospects. Hatton wasn't elite, but was world-class. Junior was fringe world-class, at very best. Joe Calzaghe was the same in some aspects. Even if he didn't turn up he had the heart and will to still win. Can we ever say that with the Quitter?

[lurkyshaka]

But Junior's best win was Harris, who got beat by Maussa, who Hatton viciously knocked out.

Based on that logic Morua is Witters best win because unlike Hatton he won every round against Maussa. But Harris wasnt at the races against Maussa, it was a fluke loss

It wasn't a fluke loss atall. Harris simply had no answer to Maussa unorthadox attack. Harris struggled to land whilst Maussa landed at will to both head and body. Body shots played a big part and took all the fight out of Harris before Maussa finished him off with a single left hook upstairs.

If they fought again Maussa would do the same thing. The awkwardness of Maussa bamboozled him, in the same way as the unorthadox style of Witter did aswell.

If you doubt what i'm saying watch the fight again, full fight is available on youtube. Maussa took Harris apart from basically start to finish.

Interesting to note that though Maussa and his unorthadox style was able to easily get the best of Harris, Hatton dealt with it and KO'd Carlos in decisive fashion. Hatton would have dealt with Witter's unorthadox style aswell, simply by sticking like glue to Junior's chest and providing a pace Witter would hate.

Hatton/Witter was a big British fight that never happened because Junior unfortunately meant sweet f*ck all to the Americans. It was far more lucrative for Hatton to go the route he did, and as boxing is about cash at the end of the day that was obviously the right road. It wasn't his fault Junior brought no prestige or money to the table. And i say that not to rubbish Junior who i do believe was a decent fighter. Decent but he didn't have the style or workrate to beat Hatton. If ever Junior's stamina issues would have been capitalized on it'd have been against Hatton.

[opticald]

But Junior's best win was Harris, who got beat by Maussa, who Hatton viciously knocked out.

Based on that logic Morua is Witters best win because unlike Hatton he won every round against Maussa. But Harris wasnt at the races against Maussa, it was a fluke loss

It wasn't a fluke loss atall. Harris simply had no answer to Maussa unorthadox attack. Harris struggled to land whilst Maussa landed at will to both head and body. Body shots played a big part and took all the fight out of Harris before Maussa finished him off with a single left hook upstairs.

If they fought again Maussa would do the same thing. The awkwardness of Maussa bamboozled him, in the same way as the unorthadox style of Witter did aswell.

If you doubt what i'm saying watch the fight again, full fight is available on youtube. Maussa took Harris apart from basically start to finish.

Interesting to note that though Maussa and his unorthadox style was able to easily get the best of Harris, Hatton dealt with it and KO'd Carlos in decisive fashion. Hatton would have dealt with Witter's unorthadox style aswell, simply by sticking like glue to Junior's chest and providing a pace Witter would hate.

Hatton/Witter was a big British fight that never happened because Junior unfortunately meant sweet f*ck all to the Americans. It was far more lucrative for Hatton to go the route he did, and as boxing is about cash at the end of the day that was obviously the right road. It wasn't his fault Junior brought no prestige or money to the table. And i say that not to rubbish Junior who i do believe was a decent fighter. Decent but he didn't have the style or workrate to beat Hatton. If ever Junior's stamina issues would have been capitalized on it'd have been against Hatton.

You do realize Harris weighed 134 pounds against Maussa right?

As for Witter bringing no prestige or money to the table, what did Rios or Vilches bring to the table?

[superpunchout]

As for Witter bringing no prestige or money to the table, what did Rios or Vilches bring to the table?

Safe passage to bigger and better things.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

But Junior's best win was Harris, who got beat by Maussa, who Hatton viciously knocked out.

Based on that logic Morua is Witters best win because unlike Hatton he won every round against Maussa. But Harris wasnt at the races against Maussa, it was a fluke loss

No, Harris is Junior's best win. To me you have hit the nail on the head. Harris wasn't there against Maussa and lost. Hatton wasn't there against him too, but was easily winning the fight with two horrendous cuts, and in due course, got the viscious KO - just look at his reaction when Maussa can't get up. It was a bad night for Ricky but he came through it. If Junior has a bad night he gets beat clearly off prospects. Hatton wasn't elite, but was world-class. Junior was fringe world-class, at very best. Joe Calzaghe was the same in some aspects. Even if he didn't turn up he had the heart and will to still win. Can we ever say that with the Quitter?

I personally think Witter and Hatton were around the same level.

And Shaka you're a Hatton nutthugger and full of shit, Maussa was always a joke, its just Harris messed up against him. Harris beats him 99 out of 100 times

[Bennyblanco]

I personally think Witter and Hatton were around the same level.

So do you think witter would have done aswell against the likes of kostya tszyu?

[DG.]

I personally think Witter and Hatton were around the same level.

So do you think witter would have done aswell against the likes of kostya tszyu?

Witter by ko - way too fast for that version of KT!

Who would have won out of Judah and Hatton?Judah by bloody ko!

Take away the fouling and the ref in the UK, Hatton would not beat KT!

Hatton is a dirty fighter- heads and hugging.

[SOUTHPAW]

But Junior's best win was Harris, who got beat by Maussa, who Hatton viciously knocked out.

Based on that logic Morua is Witters best win because unlike Hatton he won every round against Maussa. But Harris wasnt at the races against Maussa, it was a fluke loss

No, Harris is Junior's best win. To me you have hit the nail on the head. Harris wasn't there against Maussa and lost. Hatton wasn't there against him too, but was easily winning the fight with two horrendous cuts, and in due course, got the viscious KO - just look at his reaction when Maussa can't get up. It was a bad night for Ricky but he came through it. If Junior has a bad night he gets beat clearly off prospects. Hatton wasn't elite, but was world-class. Junior was fringe world-class, at very best. Joe Calzaghe was the same in some aspects. Even if he didn't turn up he had the heart and will to still win. Can we ever say that with the Quitter?

The Jan Bergman win was a good one and that was before he had even won the British title you wouldnt have seen fat lad take a fight like that as early in his career as Junior did.Also when have young unbeaten prospect been in the same sentance when discribing a Hatton opponent

[DG.]

The Jan Bergman win was a good one and that was before he had even won the British title you wouldnt have ssen fat lad take a fight like that as early in his career as Junior did.Also when have young unbeaten prospect been in the same sentance when discribing a Hatton opponent

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

I personally think Witter and Hatton were around the same level.

So do you think witter would have done aswell against the likes of kostya tszyu?

Hard to say without it happening, maybe Witter's speed and movement wins out, maybe Tyszu's timing and power wins out. Tyszu was far from invincible in 2005 though. A great win from Hatton none the less.

I still slightly favour Witter against Hatton in a prime-prime head to head.

[opticald]

I personally think Witter and Hatton were around the same level.

So do you think witter would have done aswell against the likes of kostya tszyu?

Hard to say without it happening, maybe Witter's speed and movement wins out, maybe Tyszu's timing and power wins out. Tyszu was far from invincible in 2005 though. A great win from Hatton none the less.

It was a great win for Hatton indeed. Dave Parris let a lot of things go in that fight though.

As for Witter vs Tszyu, well styles make fights and Tszyu might have been able to beat Witter with precision punching. Slicksters Judah and Mitchell were mowed down by Tszyu. He was susceptable to pressure fighters, as Vince Phillips showed. Hatton was able to rough Tszyu up and gave him no time in the fight. Witter would have given him time. However, Witter was 1000% confident in himself and was KOing people left right and centre. Couple that with Tszyu coming off a career threatening injury, being 36 and having 3 rounds in 2 years and then going in against someone like Witter, it wouldn't have been the easiest job. It is a hard one to predict.

As for Witter Hatton prime for prime, well I saw Hatton put down and hurt in the second round against Magee and realized there and then that Witter had the power to blast him out if he caught him. I just feel that Hatton would be fodder for Witter because he would come straight into the huge counters and recieve a Pacman style KO.

It's all subjective though, and we'll never know for sure... thanks to Hatton.

[Dioufy]

Southpaw, Jan Bergman or Jon Thaxton and Eamonn Magee?