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Canelo the Ginger Ninja would be hard pushed to outbox Floyd.

Evander wrote:What Gonzalez ... The one fighting Ricky Burns ?

Roman. He's a very versatile lil fighter. He beat Estrada before Estrada went over and bashed up on Viloria

Evander wrote:Canelo the Ginger Ninja would be hard pushed to outbox Floyd.

He's big as hell, he has a combo of size and skill to possibly beat Floyd even though he's not exactly a great pressure fighter due to his shoddy stamina. He'd mainly beat Floyd because he's big though, I wouldn't be overly impressed by Wlad Klitschko beating up Ward either.

Don't appear to have missed much. To be honest, I wasn't expecting much. Another Mayweather 12 rd UD. I went to bed after 6 rounds as by then, I had seen all that I wanted. Yes it was clinical, FM was elusive and quick with his pot shots etc...but it does bore some to tears. Not that he cares, he banked £20.5 mill

He is the best fighter, in this day and age but I simply cannot get excited about the guy. The pro game has changed a lot. Not many refs allow for the inside game, so that has all but disappeared. Single pot shots, ducking and diving around the ring...its all a bit amatuerish nowadays. Not a complaint but merely a personal observation. Having said all that Floyd is just too good at what he does, when compared to todays fighters.

Evander wrote:Doubt they could sell it as a rematch.

What fight are you referring to here?

Diamond WEAPON wrote:

Evander wrote:Canelo the Ginger Ninja would be hard pushed to outbox Floyd.

He's big as hell, he has a combo of size and skill to possibly beat Floyd even though he's not exactly a great pressure fighter due to his shoddy stamina. He'd mainly beat Floyd because he's big though, I wouldn't be overly impressed by Wlad Klitschko beating up Ward either.

Comparing a Canelo win over Floyd with a Wlad win over Ward doesn't fit. Ward hasn't beaten two top heavy contenders. He hasn't won titles even at light heavy or cruiser.

Rover wrote:

Diamond WEAPON wrote:

Evander wrote:Canelo the Ginger Ninja would be hard pushed to outbox Floyd.

He's big as hell, he has a combo of size and skill to possibly beat Floyd even though he's not exactly a great pressure fighter due to his shoddy stamina. He'd mainly beat Floyd because he's big though, I wouldn't be overly impressed by Wlad Klitschko beating up Ward either.

Comparing a Canelo win oover Floyd with a Wlad win over Ward doesn't fit. Ward hasn't beaten two top heavy contenders. He hasn't won titles even at light heavy or cruiser.

Here was me thinking Ward was a 2-time Heavyweight champion of the world.

ReggieDiggs wrote:
Show me a competitive Floyd fight at 147? Floyd wipes his ass with everyone at 147.


Devon holds a title at 147. Floyd fights champions. That is exactly what Devon is. Amir is barely holding his own with f#cking journeymen these days. I agree Amir is the guy who could sell bigger at his peak cuz Devon gots the personality of a cardboard box, but not when Amir is getting nearly taken out by Julio Diaz & is on a pretty sh!tty overall run in his last several fights. Amir needs a big W, Amir needs a belt to be a viable pick in the Floyd sweepstakes. One thing I'll say about Floyd's choices of opponents is he tends to pick guys at high points in their career. Amir is definitely not at a high point in his career & I don't think he's getting a fight with Floyd if his stock doesn't start rising again. Floyd takes sh!t for his opposition, but look at his last several opponents. They usually aren't getting KTFO in their last title fight or dropped by journeymen right before getting a Floyd fight. Amir won't be either.

I think with Angel's big mouth & Danny's pretty record fans would eat up that fight & quickly forget or not care Danny is moving up to 147. That fight might be the 2nd biggest fight that can actually be made (cuz Manny is with TR) for Floyd cuz of all the hype that fight will end up getting with Angel's rants & Floyd's retorts or rants of his own.

Guerro didn't hold a title or Ortiz. So he does always fight champions most of Floyd fight fight are for WBC titles. Khan is #1 in the WBC (though not earned). Alexander and Danny are not selling PPV and bring nothing to the table i.e a different type of money stream ie(Spanish & Cinco de Mayo (Oscar, Guerrero, Marquez) UK money ie (Hatton or Khan). The no money or challenge from Garcia or Alexander at least khan brings UK money to the table.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

dickbelden wrote:is not devon alexander decidedly better than amir khan?

Well Devon hasn't been KTFO twice. Nor dropped by a journeyman in his last fight. I'm not saying Amir is out of the running (I think if Floyd is gonna make a run at this 6 fight deal Amir is probably on the potential future opponent list), but the brother is gonna have to win a fight of semi importance before he's on the table again & not be life & death with random mfers thats for sure. Devon gots a belt. Devon has only lost to Tim. Devon & Danny Garcia are higher on the Floyd sweepstakes list than Amir right now, I'd assume that was obvious.

Does Floyd's deal include fighting at a particular casino or arena? If not, I wouldn't mind seeing Floyd go to England and fighting Amir. I would like to see what kind of turn out they could draw in England, and a hostile atmosphere would be fun to see Mayweather handle. Not next fight, but as you say somewhere in the fight deal, hopefully with Amir winning a good fight before hand to give him more credibility.

What about it friends across the pond? What kind of arena could that fill? Would the British fans be heavy pro Amir or more anti mayweather?

I JUST got done watching the fight after sequestering myself without internet or TV for 24 hours because Charter TWICE failed to deliver the fight to me after I ordered it.

My thoughts on the card:
Jack-Gbenga: Pretty easy to score. The only thing I thought was weird was Brian Kenny's vague, confused, and ill-considered criticism of the stoppage. Mora asked him if he wanted to continue, and the guy says "no, it was low." He waves it off. What does Brian want him to do? Let the guy complain until he's had his five minutes to recover from a legal punch?

I'm not sure why the announcers were so in love with Luis Arias. To me, he seemed pretty wild and unskilled. Sure, he won. And I guess it was a pretty good opponent for how new he is to the pro game. But still, it's not like he looked spectacular or even especially skilled.

Rosado-Love
1. 10-9 Love, close but clear
2. 10-9 Love, toss-up
3. 10-9 Rosado, toss-up
4. 10-9 Rosado, toss-up
5. 10-9 Love, close but clear
6. 10-8 Rosado, but close to being 10-9.
7. 10-9 Rosado, clear
8. 10-9 Love, clear
9. 10-9 Rosado, clear
10. 10-9 Rosado, toss-up

So I had it 96-93 Rosado. Anything between 98-92 and 97-93 Love can be defended, I think. Herb Santos has some 'splaining to do. I'm kinda mad because I just opened account on a free betting website (they basically give you a buck of play money to play with, and if you do well enough you can cash it out for real money), and spent 20% of my bankroll betting on Rosado. It went about as I expected, and yet I still lost my "money" because the judges suck. Still, I can't call it a robbery. Just a pretty bad decision, with one judge trying to rob.

Santa Cruz-Munoz:
Gave every round to Santa Cruz. Thought Munoz had an argument in the 2nd. Gave Santa Cruz a 10-8 without a KD in round 4, though I was torn on it.

Mares-Ponce De Leon:
1. 10-9 Ponce, toss-up
2. 10-8 Mares
3. 10-9 Mares, close but clear
4. 10-9 Ponce, close but clear
5. 10-9 Ponce, clear
6. 10-9 Mares, toss-up
7. 10-9 Mares, close but clear
8. 10-9 Ponce, toss-up

So I had Mares ahead 76-75 at the time of the stoppage. Thought the commentators were giving Mares too much credit, as they pretty much always have as I remember. I thought it was well-stopped by Jay Nady, though. On about the 6th flush shot PDL got hit with in a row, he started to go limp for a split-second, and that's when Jay stepped in. He had no legs, was cloudy, and even though he did throw a belated punch as it was stopped, he didn't have the kind of firepower to keep Mares off him. He was just going to keep getting beaten until it was stopped anyway.

Mayweather-Guerrero
1. 10-9 Guerrero, toss-up
2. 10-9 Guerrero, toss-up
3. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
4. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
5. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
6. 10-9 Mayweather, clear
7. 10-9 Guerrero, toss-up
8. 10-9 Mayweather, clear
9. 10-9 Guerrero, close but clear
10. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
11. 10-9 Mayweather, clear
12. 10-9 Guerrero, close but clear

So I had it 115-113 Mayweather, and thought anything between that and 118-110 was defensible. Commentators, in my opinion, score talent and footwork in place of clean effective punching, etc. sometimes. Not a chance in hell Mayweather won 11 rounds. Judges scores reflected the fight well (probably better than mine, though I still stand by it). Mayweather fought at his own pace, but landed few enough punches in doing so in several rounds that Guerrero's aggression as compared to Floyd's "lateral" movement (which was often as much backward as lateral, as evidenced by his going to the ropes much more often than Guerrero) at least gave the Ghost an argument to win more rounds than he otherwise should have. I haven't reviewed the other scores on here yet, but I hope everyone didn't buy into the Mayweather love-fest both during and after the fight on the PPV. There's no doubt that he won, but it wasn't a masterpiece or a domination as Showtime would have us believe.

marcianofan wrote:I JUST got done watching the fight after sequestering myself without internet or TV for 24 hours because Charter TWICE failed to deliver the fight to me after I ordered it.

My thoughts on the card:
Jack-Gbenga: Pretty easy to score. The only thing I thought was weird was Brian Kenny's vague, confused, and ill-considered criticism of the stoppage. Mora asked him if he wanted to continue, and the guy says "no, it was low." He waves it off. What does Brian want him to do? Let the guy complain until he's had his five minutes to recover from a legal punch?

I'm not sure why the announcers were so in love with Luis Arias. To me, he seemed pretty wild and unskilled. Sure, he won. And I guess it was a pretty good opponent for how new he is to the pro game. But still, it's not like he looked spectacular or even especially skilled.

Rosado-Love
1. 10-9 Love, close but clear
2. 10-9 Love, toss-up
3. 10-9 Rosado, toss-up
4. 10-9 Rosado, toss-up
5. 10-9 Love, close but clear
6. 10-8 Rosado, but close to being 10-9.
7. 10-9 Rosado, clear
8. 10-9 Love, clear
9. 10-9 Rosado, clear
10. 10-9 Rosado, toss-up

So I had it 96-93 Rosado. Anything between 98-92 and 97-93 Love can be defended, I think. Herb Santos has some 'splaining to do. I'm kinda mad because I just opened account on a free betting website (they basically give you a buck of play money to play with, and if you do well enough you can cash it out for real money), and spent 20% of my bankroll betting on Rosado. It went about as I expected, and yet I still lost my "money" because the judges suck. Still, I can't call it a robbery. Just a pretty bad decision, with one judge trying to rob.

Santa Cruz-Munoz:
Gave every round to Santa Cruz. Thought Munoz had an argument in the 2nd. Gave Santa Cruz a 10-8 without a KD in round 4, though I was torn on it.

Mares-Ponce De Leon:
1. 10-9 Ponce, toss-up
2. 10-8 Mares
3. 10-9 Mares, close but clear
4. 10-9 Ponce, close but clear
5. 10-9 Ponce, clear
6. 10-9 Mares, toss-up
7. 10-9 Mares, close but clear
8. 10-9 Ponce, toss-up

So I had Mares ahead 76-75 at the time of the stoppage. Thought the commentators were giving Mares too much credit, as they pretty much always have as I remember. I thought it was well-stopped by Jay Nady, though. On about the 6th flush shot PDL got hit with in a row, he started to go limp for a split-second, and that's when Jay stepped in. He had no legs, was cloudy, and even though he did throw a belated punch as it was stopped, he didn't have the kind of firepower to keep Mares off him. He was just going to keep getting beaten until it was stopped anyway.

Mayweather-Guerrero
1. 10-9 Guerrero, toss-up
2. 10-9 Guerrero, toss-up
3. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
4. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
5. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
6. 10-9 Mayweather, clear
7. 10-9 Guerrero, toss-up
8. 10-9 Mayweather, clear
9. 10-9 Guerrero, close but clear
10. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
11. 10-9 Mayweather, clear
12. 10-9 Guerrero, close but clear

So I had it 115-113 Mayweather, and thought anything between that and 118-110 was defensible. Commentators, in my opinion, score talent and footwork in place of clean effective punching, etc. sometimes. Not a chance in hell Mayweather won 11 rounds. Judges scores reflected the fight well (probably better than mine, though I still stand by it). Mayweather fought at his own pace, but landed few enough punches in doing so in several rounds that Guerrero's aggression as compared to Floyd's "lateral" movement (which was often as much backward as lateral, as evidenced by his going to the ropes much more often than Guerrero) at least gave the Ghost an argument to win more rounds than he otherwise should have. I haven't reviewed the other scores on here yet, but I hope everyone didn't buy into the Mayweather love-fest both during and after the fight on the PPV. There's no doubt that he won, but it wasn't a masterpiece or a domination as Showtime would have us believe.

Good post - i disagree with your Rosado-Love scoring, but sure, it was a close fight, but think Love outboxed him enough to score the fight despite the KD.

I had Floyd-Guerrero closer than the bias commentators had anyway - Guerrero won the first 2 pretty clearly before Floyd adjusted, he was countering Floyd sleft jab with left hooks to the body beautifully and i thought we were on the way to the upset. 7-5 or 8-4 to Floyd i thought was acceptable. He does nothing for 2 & half minutes of every round but is awarded those 2 & half minutes on the cards for slick movement, and making the other guy chase him while landing the odd pot shot. It's a shame we didnt get to see the dads get it on

marcianofan wrote:I JUST got done watching the fight after sequestering myself without internet or TV for 24 hours because Charter TWICE failed to deliver the fight to me after I ordered it.

My thoughts on the card:
Jack-Gbenga: Pretty easy to score. The only thing I thought was weird was Brian Kenny's vague, confused, and ill-considered criticism of the stoppage. Mora asked him if he wanted to continue, and the guy says "no, it was low." He waves it off. What does Brian want him to do? Let the guy complain until he's had his five minutes to recover from a legal punch?

I'm not sure why the announcers were so in love with Luis Arias. To me, he seemed pretty wild and unskilled. Sure, he won. And I guess it was a pretty good opponent for how new he is to the pro game. But still, it's not like he looked spectacular or even especially skilled.

Rosado-Love
1. 10-9 Love, close but clear
2. 10-9 Love, toss-up
3. 10-9 Rosado, toss-up
4. 10-9 Rosado, toss-up
5. 10-9 Love, close but clear
6. 10-8 Rosado, but close to being 10-9.
7. 10-9 Rosado, clear
8. 10-9 Love, clear
9. 10-9 Rosado, clear
10. 10-9 Rosado, toss-up

So I had it 96-93 Rosado. Anything between 98-92 and 97-93 Love can be defended, I think. Herb Santos has some 'splaining to do. I'm kinda mad because I just opened account on a free betting website (they basically give you a buck of play money to play with, and if you do well enough you can cash it out for real money), and spent 20% of my bankroll betting on Rosado. It went about as I expected, and yet I still lost my "money" because the judges suck. Still, I can't call it a robbery. Just a pretty bad decision, with one judge trying to rob.

Santa Cruz-Munoz:
Gave every round to Santa Cruz. Thought Munoz had an argument in the 2nd. Gave Santa Cruz a 10-8 without a KD in round 4, though I was torn on it.

Mares-Ponce De Leon:
1. 10-9 Ponce, toss-up
2. 10-8 Mares
3. 10-9 Mares, close but clear
4. 10-9 Ponce, close but clear
5. 10-9 Ponce, clear
6. 10-9 Mares, toss-up
7. 10-9 Mares, close but clear
8. 10-9 Ponce, toss-up

So I had Mares ahead 76-75 at the time of the stoppage. Thought the commentators were giving Mares too much credit, as they pretty much always have as I remember. I thought it was well-stopped by Jay Nady, though. On about the 6th flush shot PDL got hit with in a row, he started to go limp for a split-second, and that's when Jay stepped in. He had no legs, was cloudy, and even though he did throw a belated punch as it was stopped, he didn't have the kind of firepower to keep Mares off him. He was just going to keep getting beaten until it was stopped anyway.

Mayweather-Guerrero
1. 10-9 Guerrero, toss-up
2. 10-9 Guerrero, toss-up
3. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
4. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
5. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
6. 10-9 Mayweather, clear
7. 10-9 Guerrero, toss-up
8. 10-9 Mayweather, clear
9. 10-9 Guerrero, close but clear
10. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
11. 10-9 Mayweather, clear
12. 10-9 Guerrero, close but clear

So I had it 115-113 Mayweather, and thought anything between that and 118-110 was defensible. Commentators, in my opinion, score talent and footwork in place of clean effective punching, etc. sometimes. Not a chance in hell Mayweather won 11 rounds. Judges scores reflected the fight well (probably better than mine, though I still stand by it). Mayweather fought at his own pace, but landed few enough punches in doing so in several rounds that Guerrero's aggression as compared to Floyd's "lateral" movement (which was often as much backward as lateral, as evidenced by his going to the ropes much more often than Guerrero) at least gave the Ghost an argument to win more rounds than he otherwise should have. I haven't reviewed the other scores on here yet, but I hope everyone didn't buy into the Mayweather love-fest both during and after the fight on the PPV. There's no doubt that he won, but it wasn't a masterpiece or a domination as Showtime would have us believe.

And to think Santos was one of the judges for Hagler/Hearns.

Rover wrote: And to think Santos was one of the judges for Hagler/Hearns.

haha- sounds like he should take their lead and retire. He actually worked a fight the night before that I think he blew, as well- Anthony Dirrell vs. Don Mouton. I don't know how many people agree with me, but I thought Mouton clearly won the fight.

marcianofan wrote:

Rover wrote: And to think Santos was one of the judges for Hagler/Hearns.

haha- sounds like he should take their lead and retire. He actually worked a fight the night before that I think he blew, as well- Anthony Dirrell vs. Don Mouton. I don't know how many people agree with me, but I thought Mouton clearly won the fight.

Haven't seen that one, but his Love/Rosado card was bad.

marcianofan wrote:I JUST got done watching the fight after sequestering myself without internet or TV for 24 hours because Charter TWICE failed to deliver the fight to me after I ordered it.

My thoughts on the card:
Jack-Gbenga: Pretty easy to score. The only thing I thought was weird was Brian Kenny's vague, confused, and ill-considered criticism of the stoppage. Mora asked him if he wanted to continue, and the guy says "no, it was low." He waves it off. What does Brian want him to do? Let the guy complain until he's had his five minutes to recover from a legal punch?

I'm not sure why the announcers were so in love with Luis Arias. To me, he seemed pretty wild and unskilled. Sure, he won. And I guess it was a pretty good opponent for how new he is to the pro game. But still, it's not like he looked spectacular or even especially skilled.

Rosado-Love
1. 10-9 Love, close but clear
2. 10-9 Love, toss-up
3. 10-9 Rosado, toss-up
4. 10-9 Rosado, toss-up
5. 10-9 Love, close but clear
6. 10-8 Rosado, but close to being 10-9.
7. 10-9 Rosado, clear
8. 10-9 Love, clear
9. 10-9 Rosado, clear
10. 10-9 Rosado, toss-up

So I had it 96-93 Rosado. Anything between 98-92 and 97-93 Love can be defended, I think. Herb Santos has some 'splaining to do. I'm kinda mad because I just opened account on a free betting website (they basically give you a buck of play money to play with, and if you do well enough you can cash it out for real money), and spent 20% of my bankroll betting on Rosado. It went about as I expected, and yet I still lost my "money" because the judges suck. Still, I can't call it a robbery. Just a pretty bad decision, with one judge trying to rob.

Santa Cruz-Munoz:
Gave every round to Santa Cruz. Thought Munoz had an argument in the 2nd. Gave Santa Cruz a 10-8 without a KD in round 4, though I was torn on it.

Mares-Ponce De Leon:
1. 10-9 Ponce, toss-up
2. 10-8 Mares
3. 10-9 Mares, close but clear
4. 10-9 Ponce, close but clear
5. 10-9 Ponce, clear
6. 10-9 Mares, toss-up
7. 10-9 Mares, close but clear
8. 10-9 Ponce, toss-up

So I had Mares ahead 76-75 at the time of the stoppage. Thought the commentators were giving Mares too much credit, as they pretty much always have as I remember. I thought it was well-stopped by Jay Nady, though. On about the 6th flush shot PDL got hit with in a row, he started to go limp for a split-second, and that's when Jay stepped in. He had no legs, was cloudy, and even though he did throw a belated punch as it was stopped, he didn't have the kind of firepower to keep Mares off him. He was just going to keep getting beaten until it was stopped anyway.

Mayweather-Guerrero
1. 10-9 Guerrero, toss-up
2. 10-9 Guerrero, toss-up
3. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
4. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
5. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
6. 10-9 Mayweather, clear
7. 10-9 Guerrero, toss-up
8. 10-9 Mayweather, clear
9. 10-9 Guerrero, close but clear
10. 10-9 Mayweather, close but clear
11. 10-9 Mayweather, clear
12. 10-9 Guerrero, close but clear

So I had it 115-113 Mayweather, and thought anything between that and 118-110 was defensible. Commentators, in my opinion, score talent and footwork in place of clean effective punching, etc. sometimes. Not a chance in hell Mayweather won 11 rounds. Judges scores reflected the fight well (probably better than mine, though I still stand by it). Mayweather fought at his own pace, but landed few enough punches in doing so in several rounds that Guerrero's aggression as compared to Floyd's "lateral" movement (which was often as much backward as lateral, as evidenced by his going to the ropes much more often than Guerrero) at least gave the Ghost an argument to win more rounds than he otherwise should have. I haven't reviewed the other scores on here yet, but I hope everyone didn't buy into the Mayweather love-fest both during and after the fight on the PPV. There's no doubt that he won, but it wasn't a masterpiece or a domination as Showtime would have us believe.

after watching the fight again i have 117-111
i only gave guerrero 2 rounds the first time i watched it
i ended up giving him 3 rounds

total domination by floyd

BigJuicyHog wrote:7-4-1 RG.

Sure Mayweather will win it. Alot of close rounds and the most definitive rounds were for FM.

sockdolager wrote:

BigJuicyHog wrote:7-4-1 RG.

Sure Mayweather will win it. Alot of close rounds and the most definitive rounds were for FM.

Wow yeah, I didn't notice that he said RG. I definitely couldn't see it as anything but a Mayweather win, even though I didn't think it was as wide as a lot of people.

marcianofan wrote:

sockdolager wrote:

BigJuicyHog wrote:7-4-1 RG.

Sure Mayweather will win it. Alot of close rounds and the most definitive rounds were for FM.

Wow yeah, I didn't notice that he said RG. I definitely couldn't see it as anything but a Mayweather win, even though I didn't think it was as wide as a lot of people.

Yeah, I was here as the RBR was going on. That card was quite surprising.

DetroitHxC wrote:Pssh, Mayweather dominated pretty much every round of this fight. Guerrero hardly laid a glove on him, and got his ass thoroughly kicked. He was all done at the final bell.

I don't know what the fvck some of you were watching, but it wasn't this fight.

This.

It was an 8-4 or 9-3 type of fight. Clear win for Floyd, but Guerrero didn't embarrass himself.

They're about to replay the fight on Showtime...as well as the De Leon-Mares undercard bout.