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Posted: **11 Oct 2013, 14:22**

Il Duce wrote:Cassius In Prison

When one innocent man is imprisoned we are all prisoners.

Posted: **11 Oct 2013, 14:51**

Il Duce wrote:Floyd Patterson showing off his new Cap that he received from Frank Sinatra.

Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Joey Bishop and Peter Lawford were friends with Floyd.

While he was out in Las Vegas, the 'Rat Pack' loved Floyd, and hated the 'Evil Cassius'.

See all of Floyd's new friends, at the gathering.

The hat he bought Floyd there seems a bit strange. Frank's hat seems quite stylist as does the guy standing next to Frank. Floyd's hat seems like the kinda hat that a cabbie would be wearing.

Posted: **11 Oct 2013, 14:54**

Il Duce wrote:Chronic Back Ailment

One can only wonder what a 'pain free' Floyd would have done to Cassius Clay.

He would've got beaten up just the same.

Posted: **11 Oct 2013, 15:03**

gilgamesh wrote:
Il Duce wrote:Floyd Patterson showing off his new Cap that he received from Frank Sinatra.

Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Joey Bishop and Peter Lawford were friends with Floyd.

While he was out in Las Vegas, the 'Rat Pack' loved Floyd, and hated the 'Evil Cassius'.

See all of Floyd's new friends, at the gathering.

The hat he bought Floyd there seems a bit strange. Frank's hat seems quite stylist as does the guy standing next to Frank. Floyd's hat seems like the kinda hat that a cabbie would be wearing.

Floyd's cap is too small.

Posted: **11 Oct 2013, 15:13**

gilgamesh wrote:
Il Duce wrote:Chronic Back Ailment

One can only wonder what a 'pain free' Floyd would have done to Cassius Clay.

He would've got beaten up just the same.

Considering he was 0-4 against Jimmy Ellis, Jerry Quarry, and Sonny Liston and Ali was 5-0 against the same boxers that's a good place to start.

Posted: **11 Oct 2013, 15:17**

yancey wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
Il Duce wrote:Floyd Patterson showing off his new Cap that he received from Frank Sinatra.

Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Joey Bishop and Peter Lawford were friends with Floyd.

While he was out in Las Vegas, the 'Rat Pack' loved Floyd, and hated the 'Evil Cassius'.

See all of Floyd's new friends, at the gathering.

The hat he bought Floyd there seems a bit strange. Frank's hat seems quite stylist as does the guy standing next to Frank. Floyd's hat seems like the kinda hat that a cabbie would be wearing.
Floyd's cap is too small.

Francis and him should have exchanged hats.

Posted: **11 Oct 2013, 15:24**

ThatOne wrote:
yancey wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
The hat he bought Floyd there seems a bit strange. Frank's hat seems quite stylist as does the guy standing next to Frank. Floyd's hat seems like the kinda hat that a cabbie would be wearing.
Floyd's cap is too small.
Francis and him should have exchanged hats.

I don't think Frank would've worn a hat like that.

Posted: **11 Oct 2013, 15:25**

Il Duce wrote:
Il Duce wrote:That is definitely a 'Cabbies Hat'.

Maybe Floyd was driving all his new friends around Las Vegas in his 'new' Lincoln Continental
that Frank bought {got} for him.

The 'Thunderbird Hotel', who was connected with many nice 'Italian Businessmen', got
Floyd a new 'just released' '{white of course} 1966 Lincoln Town Car from 'Las Vegas Lincoln-Mercury'
in early November 1965.

I could just vision it, Floyd driving, with Peter Lawford riding 'shotgun' and Joey Bishop in the middle.

In the back seat, Frank, Dean and a couple of Vegas Showgirls.

Wonder what the 'showgirls' were doing, but I'm sure it was legal in Las Vegas.

Floyd was 'Rico Suave'.
Very 'Rico Suave'.

Yeah that's what I think when I look at people in Cabbie hats...damn that dude looks Suave as sh*t

Posted: **11 Oct 2013, 16:13**

Il Duce wrote:Ben Hogan

"Hey Ben, what do you think of 'Gilgamesh'."

"I'll smash his face with a 4-Iron."

Ben,,,,,'Es Muy Macho'

That dude actually does look pretty suave. I gotta admit.

Posted: **11 Oct 2013, 21:44**

I don't get what you guys are arguing about. Ali's trash talking against Floyd
is known to be public stunt. People here already quote books about it.
Ali did not torture Floyd, he did not even hit him that hard in the fight.

Posted: **11 Oct 2013, 22:19**

ichibang wrote:I don't get what you guys are arguing about. Ali's trash talking against Floyd
is known to be public stunt. People here already quote books about it.
Ali did not torture Floyd, he did not even hit him that hard in the fight.

Basically one or two guys hate Ali and are forever trying to discredit him, and we're pointlessly trying to argue against them. They have their agenda, they'll go to the grave with it, and it's really not worth our time to pay anymore attention to these guys on this particular subject...but we probably will anyway.

Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 00:35**

Giancarlo wrote:
Il Duce wrote:Hardest Sport,

I always though 'Javelin Catching' was the most difficult.
Your jokes are crap, Duchess.

Stick to posting over and over and over again what you imagine to be 'evidence' that Ali was a very bad fellow.

Actually, do you have any sort of life? Wife, children, friends (Nancey and beaujerk don't count), pet gold fish? It's quite hard to imagine you interacting with other living creatures outside of cyber space...

Giancarlo, so brave and classy to call me a name {beaujerk}. I have never insulted you though we might disagree about Clay/Ali and his antics when he was young...That is what a boxing forum is...
So brave of you. To think a country that can produce a Churchill, can also spawn a class act as you are. And yes I have a life seeing all the great fighters from the 1940s on and though I am old, I can take the likes of you sir...

Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 06:08**

beaujack wrote:
Giancarlo wrote:
Il Duce wrote:Hardest Sport,

I always though 'Javelin Catching' was the most difficult.
Your jokes are crap, Duchess.

Stick to posting over and over and over again what you imagine to be 'evidence' that Ali was a very bad fellow.

Actually, do you have any sort of life? Wife, children, friends (Nancey and beaujerk don't count), pet gold fish? It's quite hard to imagine you interacting with other living creatures outside of cyber space...
Giancarlo, so brave and classy to call me a name {beaujerk}. I have never insulted you though we might disagree about Clay/Ali and his antics when he was young...That is what a boxing forum is...
So brave of you. To think a country that can produce a Churchill, can also spawn a class act as you are. And yes I have a life seeing all the great fighters from the 1940s on and though I am old, I can take the likes of you sir...

You must be even more senile then your ridiculous posts suggest if you don't think you insulted me.

Stop whining and tell us some more about your 'benevolence', that should be a good laugh.

Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 06:10**

Il Duce wrote:Floyd Patterson landing a vicious left hand to the right side of Cassius Clay's neck.

Cassius, with a 'compassionate look on his face', took it easy on Floyd, who was nursing
a slipped disc in his back.

Floyd had wanted to postpone the bout, but the Fight Promoters {I-C-P} told Floyd
that if he pulled out, he would have been buried in some Football Field in New Jersey.

That punch has missed completely.

You obviously have no idea what you are seeing.

Now why doesn't that surprise me...

Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 09:01**

Il Duce wrote:The 'Compassionate' Cassius Clay, taking it easy on Floyd Patterson.

Cassius was putting everything he had into his punches from the 3rd Round on,
as he wanted nothing netter than to splatter Floyd on the canvas and stand over
over him with his hands raised above his head, as the dominant one.

But the more Cassius put into his punches, the more courage Floyd showed,
even when he couldn't move because of his 'jammed vertebrae'.

The look on Cassius Clay's face said it all........."Take that you Uncle Tom"

Are these your opinions..? If so i disagree..Ali was clearly holding back...no doubt...he was a man of great compassion...the greatest in and out of the ring..

Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 09:32**

evrenb wrote:
Il Duce wrote:The 'Compassionate' Cassius Clay, taking it easy on Floyd Patterson.

Cassius was putting everything he had into his punches from the 3rd Round on,
as he wanted nothing netter than to splatter Floyd on the canvas and stand over
over him with his hands raised above his head, as the dominant one.

But the more Cassius put into his punches, the more courage Floyd showed,
even when he couldn't move because of his 'jammed vertebrae'.

The look on Cassius Clay's face said it all........."Take that you Uncle Tom"

Are these your opinions..? If so i disagree..Ali was clearly holding back...no doubt...he was a man of great compassion...the greatest in and out of the ring..

evan

Il Duce, have you been hitting the liquor cabinet? Ali was clearly holding back...no doubt...he was a man of great compassion...the greatest in and out of the ring..

evan, you pretty much nailed it, young man, ergo:

"I found a fascinating interview with Ali that Howard Cosell conducted shortly after the fight, in which Ali explained what was going on. He knew that Floyd was hurt, and to his way of thinking, it would bring him no pride to injure a man who was already hurt. So he essentially backed off, waiting for the fight to be stopped. But the ref let it go on. Patterson was perplexed. Floyd said later that he'd never been hit with such soft punches."

...

"Ali picked up things in the 12th because he felt like he had to in order to get the fight stopped. Floyd left the ring, again, having never felt such soft blows. But he was unmarked. And Ali's jabs could do real damage when he wanted them to. Remember Liston's face after the conclusion of the first Ali fight? Well, he could have done that to Patterson, but he didn't..."

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/37158310/

Nothing but the truth...

Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 09:34**

ThatOne wrote:
evrenb wrote:
Il Duce wrote:The 'Compassionate' Cassius Clay, taking it easy on Floyd Patterson.

Cassius was putting everything he had into his punches from the 3rd Round on,
as he wanted nothing netter than to splatter Floyd on the canvas and stand over
over him with his hands raised above his head, as the dominant one.

But the more Cassius put into his punches, the more courage Floyd showed,
even when he couldn't move because of his 'jammed vertebrae'.

The look on Cassius Clay's face said it all........."Take that you Uncle Tom"

Are these your opinions..? If so i disagree..Ali was clearly holding back...no doubt...he was a man of great compassion...the greatest in and out of the ring..

evan

Il Duce, have you been hitting the liquor cabinet? Ali was clearly holding back...no doubt...he was a man of great compassion...the greatest in and out of the ring..

That One
"I found a fascinating interview with Ali that Howard Cosell conducted shortly after the fight, in which Ali explained what was going on. He knew that Floyd was hurt, and to his way of thinking, it would bring him no pride to injure a man who was already hurt. So he essentially backed off, waiting for the fight to be stopped. But the ref let it go on. Patterson was perplexed. Floyd said later that he'd never been hit with such soft punches."

...

"Ali picked up things in the 12th because he felt like he had to in order to get the fight stopped. Floyd left the ring, again, having never felt such soft blows. But he was unmarked. And Ali's jabs could do real damage when he wanted them to. Remember Liston's face after the conclusion of the first Ali fight? Well, he could have done that to Patterson, but he didn't..."

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/37158310/

Nothing but the truth...

Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 09:51**

Ali liked Floyd.

Who do you think Ole Floyd liked better after the fight ? Francis Albert Sinatra, the Mafia tool who shunned him, or his princely black brother, Cassius?

You certainly didn't see Floyd speak disparagingly of the GOAT after that.

Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 09:53**

Il Duce wrote:You guys are so jaded in your views, that you're a clouded by the 'Cassius Clouds' around your head.'

Referee - Harold Krausse,

"I just looked at Cassius, and said 'Why are doing this. Please end it'."

'I actually felt that Cassius was enjoying torturing Floyd. It was like a bully at
a schoolyard, where the 15 year-old is beating up a 10 year-old, and then telling
him 'Come on, hit me back you faggot.'

"Floyd came into the ring looking almost like he needed a 'cane', and his Trainer
Dan Florio had a look of 'Why am I sending my fighter out there, when he should
be back in the Hotel, and in bed.'

'It was all about money. Don't let anybody kid you.'

Harold Krausse, "They talk about compassion. Compassion my ass. It was flat out cruelty."

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Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 10:22**

Is there a more honest and trustworthy poster on the internet than That One?

Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 10:42**

....That "other" one?

Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 11:05**

BoxBuzz wrote:....That "other" one?

I have a clone. I think I had another handle long ago but I forgot it.

Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 12:31**

Yep.... and the CW at that time was that those boo's were in large part generated by the crowds belief that Sonny showed a cowardly streak when it came to Ali, and not a belief that it was tainted by conspiratorial dynamics.

Certainly it could have been a mix.....but you will never offer that up....or will you now concede this point?

Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 12:36**

By the way, IMHO Ali was just better the better fighter than Patterson at those times and beat him up twice......Just as true as your spin I suppose.

As I recall, you don't think he tortured Ernie Terrell, but that Terrel simply was competitive in that fight.

Outcome: Ali =not good as a fighter

However in the Patterson fight, Patterson was not competitive and Ali was cruel

Outcome: Ali = not good as a person

I think he probably tortured both fighters.

Outcome: IMHO That's the fight game.

Posted: **12 Oct 2013, 12:44**

I think asking mr Duce to stop hating Ali would be impossible.
But at least could you please tell us where the quote come from?
This is your only problems, I know you used to post in other forum,
and always have problems about not citing any thing.
I don't mind critic thread, but it is just baseless hate thread
, if we don't know if info is real or not.

Personally, I think Ali just played heel to get more money.
His mistake in early life is joing extreme religious group.
But in that era with such a big race problem, you can't
really blame him.

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