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Blodhemn wrote:Floyd didn't win that fight. His accuracy and output was horrible. Draw.

Ok, I had it a draw, but his accuracy? Were we watching the same fight? Again, I had it a draw, and Compubox is super shoddy, but Mayweather landed at basically 50%. With his usual work rate.

7-5 Mayweather, but I was really hoping Maidana would have gotten the decision. Maidana has become one of my favorite fighters.

I thought Mayweather's accuracy was similar to his other fights, but his defense didn't seem as tight. He was getting caught regularly by jabs, and while he usually shuts guys down on the ropes, Maidana was frequently landing body shots and overhand rights, although Floyd rolled with them well.

AZOSI wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:Floyd didn't win that fight. His accuracy and output was horrible. Draw.

Ok, I had it a draw, but his accuracy? Were we watching the same fight? Again, I had it a draw, and Compubox is super shoddy, but Mayweather landed at basically 50%. With his usual work rate.

Maidana blocked shots that he didn't outright make miss. Really piss-poor effect on Floyd's part.

Tantum wrote: You, of course will say that Hagler and Hearns were greats... How about Robbie Simms, or Kirkland Laing?)

simms (hagler's brother) was a middleweight contender who gave lots of champions and former
and future champions tough fights. duran did beat barkley at 160, who had just taken the wbc
title from hearns, and 154lb hearns would have destroyed Floyd. leonard, hearns, duran, and
the other greats all fought each other when the fight was there to be made, not an applicable statement
for Floyd. I'm not even sure which weight class I would rank duran at all time, lightweight maybe?
his greatness is the body of his work over 34 years fighting professionally
laing? no explanation or excuse for that one.
I'm not saying floyd isn't a top 10 all time welter, but there have been some really good welters
in the history of the sport.

Blodhemn wrote:Floyd didn't win that fight. His accuracy and output was horrible. Draw.

Showtime claims he landed 54% of his shots.

The pathetic Schaefer/Haymon hype Channel continues.

Baby Face Finster wrote:There is no doubt in my mind that Pacquiao from 4 years ago would have beaten Mayweather. Jose Luis Castillo and now Maidana have shown that the way to beat Mayweather is to relentlessly pressure him and work the body.

Floyd was 33 years old, 4 years ago. Floyd is clearly not as quick as he used to be, just as Manny isnt.

crusader wrote:I thought Mayweather's accuracy was similar to his other fights, but his defense didn't seem as tight. He was getting caught regularly by jabs, and while he usually shuts guys down on the ropes, Maidana was frequently landing body shots and overhand rights, although Floyd rolled with them well.

I think because Maidana really doesn't have "tells", he just kind of throws punches whenever and from whatever angle he randomly decides on at the moment, making him hard to brace for/roll with/block as well as hard to hit when he moves his body around in similar fashion as he's done with growing effort in every fight since he's been with Garcia.

There was shades of Mayorga-Forrest in this fight, the more orthodox timing-based boxer being confused by the sheer relentless physicality and randomly formed attack from an opponent with bad intentions from the opening bell.

Mayorga-Forrest is a good comparison. Maidana does good with the feints, Broner fell for them, so did Mayweather. It's like people still think these offensive guys have no skill just because they choose to be offensive. It's the same thing with Provodnikov, he killed Alvarado with feints, who was supposed to be the better boxer, but ultimately was too stiff. Maidana and Provodnikov have underrated fluidity to their offensive game. If only they could fix their stamina issues...

rewatched the fight just now

on effectice aggression, cleaner harder punching, ring generalship. shostats showed he landed more power shots

i gave maidana 7 rounds, 2 more than watching it live.

maidana was the aggressor controlled the majority fight for me and thats enough for a win when the total punches landed are virtually even for both guys

I wanted Maidana to win but I had it 7-5 to Floyd, I think that a Maidana victory is a little bit wishful thinking but I could see a draw

Great performance by Chino though!

i had Maidana winning by 1 round. Very good fight.

was happy i witness this live with the rest of you DD

Rodian wrote:
i gave maidana 7 rounds, 2 more than watching it live.

So if your bias is factored in, you had a FMJ win as you scored it so close!

Blodhemn wrote:Mayorga-Forrest is a good comparison. Maidana does good with the feints, Broner fell for them, so did Mayweather. It's like people still think these offensive guys have no skill just because they choose to be offensive. It's the same thing with Provodnikov, he killed Alvarado with feints, who was supposed to be the better boxer, but ultimately was too stiff. Maidana and Provodnikov have underrated fluidity to their offensive game. If only they could fix their stamina issues...

Agreed. People think boxing skill just involve defensive skills. Boxing is offensive skills too.

Blodhemn wrote:Mayorga-Forrest is a good comparison. Maidana does good with the feints, Broner fell for them, so did Mayweather. It's like people still think these offensive guys have no skill just because they choose to be offensive. It's the same thing with Provodnikov, he killed Alvarado with feints, who was supposed to be the better boxer, but ultimately was too stiff. Maidana and Provodnikov have underrated fluidity to their offensive game. If only they could fix their stamina issues...

I don't really think they have stamina issues really. You're bound to get more tired than other fighters when you come to get it that hard. They're still able to keep firing away right to the end for the most part.

tiny_acres wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:I guess he and I both need to find new sports to follow. I think it's pretty clear that he is.

Yes you do. Take your sarcastic ass and go somewhere else. You won't be missed Bobby.

I enjoy Bobby's posts.He might be sarcastic but he seems to know his stuff.

I want to apologize to Bobby. I don't want to see him leave the site. He is a knowledgeable poster, I was simply heated and let my emotions take over when I typed that. Now Brute on the other hand I wouldn't mind seeing take a permanent vacation.

gilgamesh wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:Mayorga-Forrest is a good comparison. Maidana does good with the feints, Broner fell for them, so did Mayweather. It's like people still think these offensive guys have no skill just because they choose to be offensive. It's the same thing with Provodnikov, he killed Alvarado with feints, who was supposed to be the better boxer, but ultimately was too stiff. Maidana and Provodnikov have underrated fluidity to their offensive game. If only they could fix their stamina issues...

I don't really think they have stamina issues really. You're bound to get more tired than other fighters when you come to get it that hard. They're still able to keep firing away right to the end for the most part.

I can see that point. Most boxers who throw 800 punches will take breathers. I even bet if Floyd threw like 800+ punches, he would be winded at some point.

IKSRTFO wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:Mayorga-Forrest is a good comparison. Maidana does good with the feints, Broner fell for them, so did Mayweather. It's like people still think these offensive guys have no skill just because they choose to be offensive. It's the same thing with Provodnikov, he killed Alvarado with feints, who was supposed to be the better boxer, but ultimately was too stiff. Maidana and Provodnikov have underrated fluidity to their offensive game. If only they could fix their stamina issues...

I don't really think they have stamina issues really. You're bound to get more tired than other fighters when you come to get it that hard. They're still able to keep firing away right to the end for the most part.

I can see that point. Most boxers who throw 800 punches will take breathers. I even bet if Floyd threw like 800+ punches, he would be winded at some point.

I'd guarantee it.

The problem is Maidana and Provodnikov lack consistency in their attack and unlike some other more offensive-minded fighters they can't default to an especially effective defensive position when winded. Juan Diaz in his prime for instance as very capable of keeping up an insane output all the while rolling his head and minimizing damage, and Leo Santa Cruz has shown a very good ability to block and parry punches with his gloves when he's not attacking as well as utilizing leans in order to dodge return fire as he waits for his next burst.

Maidana however has appeared to improve his stamina immensely from years back and even from the Broner fight to the Mayweather fight. Marcos seemed to keep up a better output against a better opponent in Floyd than he had against Adrien, another full camp with Ariza's conditioning and maybe some further skill sharpening from Garcia and a Mayweather rematch could prove to be an even tougher challenge for Floyd in spite of all the posturing about how "the rematch would be an easy fight". Floyd may be fooling all of his fanboys, but he was looking shook both during the glove selection and the judges' scorecard reading, he knows he was in a hell of a brawl and he may face an improved version of the same guy in a rematch.

I'm just replying now because it took me this long to see it somehow.

@Baby Face Finster:

It's not a problem, I understand, I definitely get a bit angry sometimes when I really don't see eye to eye with someone else on an issue I feel strongly about. I think it happens to all of us sometimes.

@tiny_acres:

Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it.

Just to be clear, I'm not being sarcastic in those two statements, I actually mean them

Bobbyptsd wrote:I'm just replying now because it took me this long to see it somehow.

@Baby Face Finster:

It's not a problem, I understand, I definitely get a bit angry sometimes when I really don't see eye to eye with someone else on an issue I feel strongly about. I think it happens to all of us sometimes.

@tiny_acres:

Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it.

Just to be clear, I'm not being sarcastic in those two statements, I actually mean them

Still an ass
Glad to see you back Bobbyptsd

tiny_acres wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:I'm just replying now because it took me this long to see it somehow.

@Baby Face Finster:

It's not a problem, I understand, I definitely get a bit angry sometimes when I really don't see eye to eye with someone else on an issue I feel strongly about. I think it happens to all of us sometimes.

@tiny_acres:

Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it.

Just to be clear, I'm not being sarcastic in those two statements, I actually mean them

Still an ass
Glad to see you back Bobbyptsd

Thanks, though I do get discouraged when I look at the state of CS

Just rewatched the fight in prep for the Sunday morning fight (UK time).

I scored it 6-5-1 for Maidana but thought Floyd's 5 rounds were more conclusive. And as a rule I tend to go with busier fighters.

I think Floyd will be ready for Maidana this time and I expect a shut out win and/or if Maidana goes for broke Floyd may even stop him. Floyd is a great student of the game and I expect a much easier night for him.

But hope I'm wrong.

Also enjoyed reading all the posts by you gentlemen.

If Floyd just stays off the ropes it will be huge for him. 95% of the punches landed for Maidana last fight were while they were on the ropes.