MALTA BOXING COMMISSION - UK, SCOTLAND & IRELAND SANCTIONING

[jonp]

In fact im not intersted any more

You have spent so long saying that malta is fully medicalled and licenced but when asked about people with out any medicals at all being allowed to fight on one of there shows you have quite shamelessy tried to twist that round by saying two fully medicaled guys having a fight on a show after the board show had finished and there officails had gone home.

Its a totally different situation if the medicals are as good for the malta guys then there is no safety problem

on the nottingham show there were fighters on befire the main event that had no medicals at all.did the steward in charge allow this to happen on a malta show or did it happen afterwards?

[jonp]

When i mentioned matchmaking the first thing you said was comparing the two doesnt mean anything we should be sorting it out.

Yet when i asked about a serious safety breach and wether it was true you used a long post to say look the board did the same kind of thing(although the situation here was two medically checked guys going on a board show after it had finsihed under a malta licence with there officials)

Very very poor form there just as i was starting to listen and debate you come up with deflection and distraction rather than answering a real honest question.

So ill ask again did malta know there were going to be unknown and not medicalled fighters on there bill?
If they didnt fair enough can i ask what there actions against this breach of safety is going to be?
If they did i think thats answered peoples questions as to why the bbbofc wont allow fighters to mix

[dw01]

?? But the board dont actualy allow that they took action about it.I have seen it put that the show in nottingham had one fight and then a number of fights with guys with no medical etc
Are you telling me malta had no knowledge of this happining and if so what action is being taken against the promoter?
Or is it allowed to have guys on a show with no medical.

Can you just answer that one not with a big post that actualy leads elsewhere

Did malta know there were fights happining with people without medicals?

I do not know. But, if the MBC have been asked to carry out a service (sanction/regulate) on say 5 bouts, no more, then why would you expect them to step in and take charge over other bouts that's nothing to do with them?

[dw01]

When i mentioned matchmaking the first thing you said was comparing the two doesnt mean anything we should be sorting it out.

Yet when i asked about a serious safety breach and wether it was true you used a long post to say look the board did the same kind of thing(although the situation here was two medically checked guys going on a board show after it had finsihed under a malta licence with there officials)

Very very poor form there just as i was starting to listen and debate you come up with deflection and distraction rather than answering a real honest question.

So ill ask again did malta know there were going to be unknown and not medicalled fighters on there bill?
If they didnt fair enough can i ask what there actions against this breach of safety is going to be?
If they did i think thats answered peoples questions as to why the bbbofc wont allow fighters to mix

Jonp: you seem to be of a mindset whereby if there's a boxing show on, then the Board or MBC or whoever, should control that whole event. Times have moved on. All over the world there's mixed fight shows, mixed style, mixed pro/am, etc. I'm not saying it's better or worse, I'm just saying that promoters are breaking the norm from the traditional BBBoC route and are allowing 'white collar' (hate that term as there's hardly anything white collar about it these days) bouts to be mixed with kickboxing, Thaiboxing, mma, and now professional boxing. This is about jurisdiction. You don't seem to grasp that. As I said a few pages ago, I held a promoter licence with the WBC's Muay Thai division. If I wanted a WBC title then they'd make me hire their officials, their supervisor, and licence fighters through them. But it was only for the WBC part of the event. They didn't care if there was boxing, kickboxing or a game of poker going on on the undercard, it wasn't what they were there to do.

I promoted at the weekend a kickboxing and mma event. Two shows in one. Two sets of officials, etc. the sanctioning body for the kickboxing didn't want anything to do with the mma as they weren't there for that. And vice versa.

Do you see my point yet?

[dw01]

PS

I'm of the opinion that all fighters should undergo medicals and that a full medical team should be present, non lauding doctor, paramedics, and transport. That's my moral decision. There's no legal obligation for this of course.

[leejonesjnr]

When i mentioned matchmaking the first thing you said was comparing the two doesnt mean anything we should be sorting it out.

Yet when i asked about a serious safety breach and wether it was true you used a long post to say look the board did the same kind of thing(although the situation here was two medically checked guys going on a board show after it had finsihed under a malta licence with there officials)

Very very poor form there just as i was starting to listen and debate you come up with deflection and distraction rather than answering a real honest question.

So ill ask again did malta know there were going to be unknown and not medicalled fighters on there bill?
If they didnt fair enough can i ask what there actions against this breach of safety is going to be?
If they did i think thats answered peoples questions as to why the bbbofc wont allow fighters to mix

Jonp: you seem to be of a mindset whereby if there's a boxing show on, then the Board or MBC or whoever, should control that whole event. Times have moved on. All over the world there's mixed fight shows, mixed style, mixed pro/am, etc. I'm not saying it's better or worse, I'm just saying that promoters are breaking the norm from the traditional BBBoC route and are allowing 'white collar' (hate that term as there's hardly anything white collar about it these days) bouts to be mixed with kickboxing, Thaiboxing, mma, and now professional boxing. This is about jurisdiction. You don't seem to grasp that. As I said a few pages ago, I held a promoter licence with the WBC's Muay Thai division. If I wanted a WBC title then they'd make me hire their officials, their supervisor, and licence fighters through them. But it was only for the WBC part of the event. They didn't care if there was boxing, kickboxing or a game of poker going on on the undercard, it wasn't what they were there to do.

I promoted at the weekend a kickboxing and mma event. Two shows in one. Two sets of officials, etc. the sanctioning body for the kickboxing didn't want anything to do with the mma as they weren't there for that. And vice versa.

Do you see my point yet?

You seem to use 'I used to be a WBC Muay Thai promoter' as if that means something very important and that if WBC Muay Thai does something then that must be the correct way for everyone in every sport to do things.
You used separate organisations to sanction kickboxing and MMA on the same show? That's interesting, which organisations?

[bripez]

If you went to a allegedly show and the main event was being reffed by frank himself would you really be impressed by the standard of what was going on?

If that happened at an MBC show, was it for one of the pro fights, white-collar or martial arts ?

Frank may not referee himself, but it would be naïve to think that he does not have an influence.

There was one stage that Mickey Vann refereed all of Ricky Hatton fights - ironically all WBU title defences - Ricky was given the rub of the green on many occasion I remember (particularly being allowed to continue with bad cuts) - would his opponents been given the same treatment ?

[dw01]

When i mentioned matchmaking the first thing you said was comparing the two doesnt mean anything we should be sorting it out.

Yet when i asked about a serious safety breach and wether it was true you used a long post to say look the board did the same kind of thing(although the situation here was two medically checked guys going on a board show after it had finsihed under a malta licence with there officials)

Very very poor form there just as i was starting to listen and debate you come up with deflection and distraction rather than answering a real honest question.

So ill ask again did malta know there were going to be unknown and not medicalled fighters on there bill?
If they didnt fair enough can i ask what there actions against this breach of safety is going to be?
If they did i think thats answered peoples questions as to why the bbbofc wont allow fighters to mix

Jonp: you seem to be of a mindset whereby if there's a boxing show on, then the Board or MBC or whoever, should control that whole event. Times have moved on. All over the world there's mixed fight shows, mixed style, mixed pro/am, etc. I'm not saying it's better or worse, I'm just saying that promoters are breaking the norm from the traditional BBBoC route and are allowing 'white collar' (hate that term as there's hardly anything white collar about it these days) bouts to be mixed with kickboxing, Thaiboxing, mma, and now professional boxing. This is about jurisdiction. You don't seem to grasp that. As I said a few pages ago, I held a promoter licence with the WBC's Muay Thai division. If I wanted a WBC title then they'd make me hire their officials, their supervisor, and licence fighters through them. But it was only for the WBC part of the event. They didn't care if there was boxing, kickboxing or a game of poker going on on the undercard, it wasn't what they were there to do.

I promoted at the weekend a kickboxing and mma event. Two shows in one. Two sets of officials, etc. the sanctioning body for the kickboxing didn't want anything to do with the mma as they weren't there for that. And vice versa.

Do you see my point yet?

You seem to use 'I used to be a WBC Muay Thai promoter' as if that means something very important and that if WBC Muay Thai does something then that must be the correct way for everyone in every sport to do things.
You used separate organisations to sanction kickboxing and MMA on the same show? That's interesting, which organisations?

I was using the WBC as the closest example that boxing fans may relate to, i thought that would be obvious. Also, they run the same way as the WBC boxing does (with the exception of purse bids in the UK).


As for the sanctioning bodies, i don't see what it matters. However, i have used ISKA (ref: J Blackledge), WKL (ref: Billy Saul), WKF (ref: R Green) and EFK (ref: Billy Saul) organisations to regulate the kickboxing (K-1 rules) side. I may be entering into an arrangement with WAKO-pro also, however, this is undecided yet. The MMA side was overseen by separate officials provided by Combat Officials UK. I don't organise the MMA side, i co-promote with another promoter. Two shows, one event, if you follow.

[gobbles]

If you went to a allegedly show and the main event was being reffed by frank himself would you really be impressed by the standard of what was going on?

If that happened at an MBC show, was it for one of the pro fights, white-collar or martial arts ?

Frank may not referee himself, but it would be naïve to think that he does not have an influence.

There was one stage that Mickey Vann refereed all of Ricky Hatton fights - ironically all WBU title defences - Ricky was given the rub of the green on many occasion I remember (particularly being allowed to continue with bad cuts) - would his opponents been given the same treatment ?

WBU title fights nearly always had the same 4 officials: Mickey Vann, Dave Parris, Reg Thompson and Karl Rogers. As WBU title fights never took place outside the UK, if they gave the decision to the away fighter, the title would become redundant, so as the last two did not work for anyone else, they would get less work.

[bripez]

If you went to a allegedly show and the main event was being reffed by frank himself would you really be impressed by the standard of what was going on?

If that happened at an MBC show, was it for one of the pro fights, white-collar or martial arts ?

Frank may not referee himself, but it would be naïve to think that he does not have an influence.

There was one stage that Mickey Vann refereed all of Ricky Hatton fights - ironically all WBU title defences - Ricky was given the rub of the green on many occasion I remember (particularly being allowed to continue with bad cuts) - would his opponents been given the same treatment ?

WBU title fights nearly always had the same 4 officials: Mickey Vann, Dave Parris, Reg Thompson and Karl Rogers. As WBU title fights never took place outside the UK, if they gave the decision to the away fighter, the title would become redundant, so as the last two did not work for anyone else, they would get less work.

What are your thoughts on this Jonp - not specifically in relation to what the MBC may or may not be doing, but in isolation of what the Board have actually done / are doing?

[dw01]

Any opinions on the Queensbury Boxing League?

[leejonesjnr]

Any opinions on the Queensbury Boxing League?

Yep.

[gobbles]

WBU title fights nearly always had the same 4 officials: Mickey Vann, Dave Parris, Reg Thompson and Karl Rogers. As WBU title fights never took place outside the UK, if they gave the decision to the away fighter, the title would become redundant, so as the last two did not work for anyone else, they would get less work.

What are your thoughts on this Jonp - not specifically in relation to what the MBC may or may not be doing, but in isolation of what the Board have actually done / are doing?

I believe this could not happen now, as the Board does not recognise any world organisation but the "big 4" now, so would not sanction the use of WBU's choice of officials

[leejonesjnr]

Discussion worthy development today but I'm afraid I won't be the one to bring it into the conversation - someone say it PLEASE.

[bripez]

WBU title fights nearly always had the same 4 officials: Mickey Vann, Dave Parris, Reg Thompson and Karl Rogers. As WBU title fights never took place outside the UK, if they gave the decision to the away fighter, the title would become redundant, so as the last two did not work for anyone else, they would get less work.

What are your thoughts on this Jonp - not specifically in relation to what the MBC may or may not be doing, but in isolation of what the Board have actually done / are doing?

I believe this could not happen now, as the Board does not recognise any world organisation but the "big 4" now, so would not sanction the use of WBU's choice of officials

But the point is that this did actually happen.

People are criticising the MBC for something they think that they may or may not do, but are not acknowledging what the BBBofC actually gave done.

[dw01]

I believe this could not happen now, as the Board does not recognise any world organisation but the "big 4" now, so would not sanction the use of WBU's choice of officials

And the IBO because, to paraphrase: "they give a lot of work to board officials" ... There's a credible reason.

[dw01]

People are criticising the MBC for something they think that they may or may not do, but are not acknowledging what the BBBofC actually gave done.[/quote]

Nail on the head there.

[Alba]

first show in scotland later next month ...

some licensed BBBOC fighters on it, wonder how it pans out for them and there trainers/coaches with regards to previous comments about it

[dw01]

first show in scotland later next month ...

some licensed BBBOC fighters on it, wonder how it pans out for them and there trainers/coaches with regards to previous comments about it

I expect some external pressure somewhere along the line. Let's see.

[spudder56]

first show in scotland later next month ...

some licensed BBBOC fighters on it, wonder how it pans out for them and there trainers/coaches with regards to previous comments about it

I expect some external pressure somewhere along the line. Let's see.

After the nottingham fiasco where there was one MBC fight despite 5 being on the card I beleive they put a load of white collar and exhibitions on I shouldn't expect to many of the fights on the card will actually happen

[leejonesjnr]

Certainly interesting times ahead in the near future

[MTG]

It can only be good for boxers if its run properly.

[MTG]

What ARE the thoughts on QUEENSBURY BOXING LEAGUE?

[dw01]

You do know that there are a number of other bodies now trying to infiltrate the UK scene?

I personally think that if the BBBoC don't modernise themselves, and by that i mean actually let the licence-holders have a say in who actually runs the organisation, then i think they will begin to fall apart. There's many promoters now opting for the likes of the WBO-Europe European title, or the EBA's version, which i believe at one time were part of, or associated with, the WBA.

[leejonesjnr]

You do know that there are a number of other bodies now trying to infiltrate the UK scene?

I personally think that if the BBBoC don't modernise themselves, and by that i mean actually let the licence-holders have a say in who actually runs the organisation, then i think they will begin to fall apart. There's many promoters now opting for the likes of the WBO-Europe European title, or the EBA's version, which i believe at one time were part of, or associated with, the WBA.

What does the WBO European title have to do with it? They are contested in the UK under the BBBoC.
EBA is long since dead, it was the WBAs European title.