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p4p1 wrote:Regarding Aldo the next few fights make or break his legacy he is IMO right up there with GSP and Anderson as far as top wins longevity etc but if he is able to come back from an embarrassing knockout to reclaim his title and have another run or go up to 55 and win another title there it puts him above Anderson and GSP.

As a side I know Connor wants to fight Lawler I rewatched the McDonald Lawler fight last night and all I could think was god damn Lawler would most likely destroy him. I think it would be a war but possibly with only Lawler being able to hurt the other guy.

I can guarantee you it will end badly for Aldo when he moves up to 155. If he does so it will be a big mistake for him.

Silva displayed arrogance for his opponent once again and paid the price with a loss once again. I know this is his thing in many fights over the years but the guy just has stay busier in a fight and stop clowning. It isnt working anymore. He looked excellent at times then looked like a dick.

I just don't think the guy gives a shit anymore. He seemed to hurt Bisping whenever he wanted to. I think a part of the hesitancy is that he realized in the first two rounds he lost some speed when he exchanged all-out with Bisping... but all in all, the guy mostly just wanted to clown.

JCS wrote:I just don't think the guy gives a poo anymore. He seemed to hurt Bisping whenever he wanted to. I think a part of the hesitancy is that he realized in the first two rounds he lost some speed when he exchanged all-out with Bisping... but all in all, the guy mostly just wanted to clown.

Really could he have hurt Bisbing when he was hit with a big left hook and was lying flat on his back>> Silly analysis. He fights with his hands down all the time moving his hands around. He would get killed by weidman again and he would lose to Rockhold. Silva suffers from bi polar and he is old news. You are giving him too much credit.

Lancenix wrote:

JCS wrote:I just don't think the guy gives a poo anymore. He seemed to hurt Bisping whenever he wanted to. I think a part of the hesitancy is that he realized in the first two rounds he lost some speed when he exchanged all-out with Bisping... but all in all, the guy mostly just wanted to clown.

Really could he have hurt Bisbing when he was hit with a big left hook and was lying flat on his back>> Silly analysis. He fights with his hands down all the time moving his hands around. He would get killed by weidman again and he would lose to Rockhold. Silva suffers from bi polar and he is old news. You are giving him too much credit.

Did you see Bisping's face at the end of the fight?

JCS wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

JCS wrote:I just don't think the guy gives a poo anymore. He seemed to hurt Bisping whenever he wanted to. I think a part of the hesitancy is that he realized in the first two rounds he lost some speed when he exchanged all-out with Bisping... but all in all, the guy mostly just wanted to clown.

Really could he have hurt Bisbing when he was hit with a big left hook and was lying flat on his back>> Silly analysis. He fights with his hands down all the time moving his hands around. He would get killed by weidman again and he would lose to Rockhold. Silva suffers from bi polar and he is old news. You are giving him too much credit.

Did you see Bisping's face at the end of the fight?

It was really bad but when you score the fight objectively. The first two rounds went to MB no doubt. Third round was when Silva busted him open when Bisbing was trying to ref the fight and fight it at the same time. But like I said Silva's bi polar ways didn't allow him to finish the fight right there because he is an ass. 4th. round Bisbing comes out and instead of going after him Silva sits against the cage for 3 minutes and throws the round away. 5th round he lands that front kick but once again no follow up. JCS this is emblematic of Silva's career and especially his recent career. He is just a fucktard and hard to like. He fucked around vs. Wideman and got his ass planted. He is always doing weird shit. End of the first round vs. MB, MB lands some nice punches at the end of the round. Takes the round and Silva?? He is trying to embrace the guy in a loving hug. MB was like get the fornicate off of me. AS is always doing weird shit. That is just who he is a weirdo. I just disagree with you that he could finish it anytime he wanted. Certainly you did not feel that way in the first two rounds. You mean after the third he could have or should have went for the finish and would have got it. At points in those last two rounds yes I agree with you. But he couldn't do it because he is an assclown.

1 10-9 MB
2 10-9 MB
3 10-8 AS
4 10-9 MB
5 10-9 AS

A draw for me and as clear an indication of the problem with 10 point must as you're likely to see. Silva needs to retire though. Bisping is one of the lightest hitters at 185 and he managed to floor him.

Lancenix wrote:

JCS wrote:I just don't think the guy gives a poo anymore. He seemed to hurt Bisping whenever he wanted to. I think a part of the hesitancy is that he realized in the first two rounds he lost some speed when he exchanged all-out with Bisping... but all in all, the guy mostly just wanted to clown.

Really could he have hurt Bisbing when he was hit with a big left hook and was lying flat on his back>> Silly analysis. He fights with his hands down all the time moving his hands around. He would get killed by weidman again and he would lose to Rockhold. Silva suffers from bi polar and he is old news. You are giving him too much credit.

Actually, he did hurt Bisping from his back practically simultaneously with hitting the mat.

Deadendgeneration wrote:1 10-9 MB
2 10-9 MB
3 10-8 AS
4 10-9 MB
5 10-9 AS

A draw for me and as clear an indication of the problem with 10 point must as you're likely to see. Silva needs to retire though. Bisping is one of the lightest hitters at 185 and he managed to floor him.

We scored it the same and I agree with your analysis.

Tanzio wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

JCS wrote:I just don't think the guy gives a poo anymore. He seemed to hurt Bisping whenever he wanted to. I think a part of the hesitancy is that he realized in the first two rounds he lost some speed when he exchanged all-out with Bisping... but all in all, the guy mostly just wanted to clown.

Really could he have hurt Bisbing when he was hit with a big left hook and was lying flat on his back>> Silly analysis. He fights with his hands down all the time moving his hands around. He would get killed by weidman again and he would lose to Rockhold. Silva suffers from bi polar and he is old news. You are giving him too much credit.

Actually, he did hurt Bisping from his back practically simultaneously with hitting the mat.

Nope. You are an ass. Stop trolling me. Seriously I think you are a weirdo.

Deadendgeneration wrote:1 10-9 MB
2 10-9 MB
3 10-8 AS
4 10-9 MB
5 10-9 AS

A draw for me and as clear an indication of the problem with 10 point must as you're likely to see. Silva needs to retire though. Bisping is one of the lightest hitters at 185 and he managed to floor him.

I don't think there is a problem with the 10-point must system per se. Rather, if a round is very close, why don't we see more 10-10 rounds?

10-10: could go either way.
10-9: one athlete clearly won the round
10-8: one athlete dominated the round.
10-7: fight should have been stopped during that round.

When reading the RBRs on websites like sherdog or mmajunkie, I keep reading "It could have gone either way, but we'll give the round to John Smith."

Why not just state, "It could have gone either way, so we scored it 10-10"?

zojo, wrote:

Deadendgeneration wrote:1 10-9 MB
2 10-9 MB
3 10-8 AS
4 10-9 MB
5 10-9 AS

A draw for me and as clear an indication of the problem with 10 point must as you're likely to see. Silva needs to retire though. Bisping is one of the lightest hitters at 185 and he managed to floor him.

I don't think there is a problem with the 10-point must system per se. Rather, if a round is very close, why don't we see more 10-10 rounds?

10-10: could go either way.
10-9: one athlete clearly won the round
10-8: one athlete dominated the round.
10-7: fight should have been stopped during that round.

When reading the RBRs on websites like sherdog or mmajunkie, I keep reading "It could have gone either way, but we'll give the round to John Smith."

Why not just state, "It could have gone either way, so we scored it 10-10"?

That's fair enough, but how often do you see 10-8 rounds given in MMA. Obviously knocking someone down doesn't do it, but in round 3 Silva knocked Bisping out. His walking away / the bell saved Bisping but that really needed to be 10-8. Boxing has a similar problem with not scoring 10-8 rounds unless there is a knockdown as well as the seeming refusal to score 10-10's.

I don't necessarily have a problem with scoring R3 10-8 for Silva because Bisping really did look hurt bad at the bell, but you also have to consider that Silva was losing at least two-thirds of the round before he turned it on in the last 30 seconds.

BTW am I the only person who thinks Bisping's lack of takedown attempts in the first 3 rounds were a tactical mistake?

Not sure, but those feints he does when he's trying to get to get his shots off is fooking annoying, just throw the fooking shots!

WAR Diaz!

zojo, wrote:

Deadendgeneration wrote:1 10-9 MB
2 10-9 MB
3 10-8 AS
4 10-9 MB
5 10-9 AS

A draw for me and as clear an indication of the problem with 10 point must as you're likely to see. Silva needs to retire though. Bisping is one of the lightest hitters at 185 and he managed to floor him.

I don't think there is a problem with the 10-point must system per se. Rather, if a round is very close, why don't we see more 10-10 rounds?

10-10: could go either way.
10-9: one athlete clearly won the round
10-8: one athlete dominated the round.
10-7: fight should have been stopped during that round.

When reading the RBRs on websites like sherdog or mmajunkie, I keep reading "It could have gone either way, but we'll give the round to John Smith."

Why not just state, "It could have gone either way, so we scored it 10-10"?

I agree with you about even rounds. They should not be frowned upon the way that they are. Good point. But I thought Bisbing stole that first round with the end of the round flurry that had Silva stunned. He took it there. But overall? You are absolutely correct. Should be more 10-10's.

jujigatame wrote:BTW am I the only person who thinks Bisping's lack of takedown attempts in the first 3 rounds were a tactical mistake?

But he did not want to get on the ground with Silva and get subbed. That is why he stayed away from that tactic and he felt very confident on the feet and he wanted Silva to fight on his feet and he felt he could wear Silva out while AS would have to fight in spurts, which is exactly what happened. I scored it a draw though.

jujigatame wrote:I don't necessarily have a problem with scoring R3 10-8 for Silva because Bisping really did look hurt bad at the bell, but you also have to consider that Silva was losing at least two-thirds of the round before he turned it on in the last 30 seconds.

Yep that is true. It was like an even round for me until that happened. But I feel that knockdown has to be scored 10-8. It was vicious.

Lancenix wrote:

jujigatame wrote:BTW am I the only person who thinks Bisping's lack of takedown attempts in the first 3 rounds were a tactical mistake?

But he did not want to get on the ground with Silva and get subbed. That is why he stayed away from that tactic and he felt very confident on the feet and he wanted Silva to fight on his feet and he felt he could wear Silva out while AS would have to fight in spurts, which is exactly what happened. I scored it a draw though.

I think the odds of Bisping getting subbed by Silva on the ground were quite slim. Bisping has always had a solid ground game and some very good striking on the ground.

jujigatame wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

jujigatame wrote:BTW am I the only person who thinks Bisping's lack of takedown attempts in the first 3 rounds were a tactical mistake?

But he did not want to get on the ground with Silva and get subbed. That is why he stayed away from that tactic and he felt very confident on the feet and he wanted Silva to fight on his feet and he felt he could wear Silva out while AS would have to fight in spurts, which is exactly what happened. I scored it a draw though.

I think the odds of Bisping getting subbed by Silva on the ground were quite slim. Bisping has always had a solid ground game and some very good striking on the ground.

I disagree Silva subbed Sonnen and that was in the back of Bisbings mind. You must of forgot about that one huh? That is OK I'll be happy to remind you about that one. Bisbing made sure not to go to the ground for a reason and that was it. He fought the right fight by keeping it on the feet.

That was back when Sonnen used to get submitted in every other fight. In their rematch a couple years later he passed Anderson's guard and mounted him rather easily.

jujigatame wrote:That was back when Sonnen used to get submitted in every other fight. In their rematch a couple years later he passed Anderson's guard and mounted him rather easily.

And we know how that one turned out. Silva is a black belt ya know. Silva is long and skilled on the ground. You are underselling his ground game bigtime.

I don't think it was an issue really. Bisping won the first two rounds and was holding his own in the third on the feet. Why change strategy when something is working? With hindsight clearly taking Silva to the ground could have helped avoid the ending of the third round which to my scoring swayed the fight, but then so could keeping his eyes on Silva rather than the ref.

Also how good are Bisping's takedowns? He doesn't take people down all that often. Most of the instances of Silva being taken down have come at the hands of elite wrestlers.

Lancenix wrote:

jujigatame wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
But he did not want to get on the ground with Silva and get subbed. That is why he stayed away from that tactic and he felt very confident on the feet and he wanted Silva to fight on his feet and he felt he could wear Silva out while AS would have to fight in spurts, which is exactly what happened. I scored it a draw though.

I think the odds of Bisping getting subbed by Silva on the ground were quite slim. Bisping has always had a solid ground game and some very good striking on the ground.

I disagree Silva subbed Sonnen and that was in the back of Bisbings mind. You must of forgot about that one huh? That is OK I'll be happy to remind you about that one. Bisbing made sure not to go to the ground for a reason and that was it. He fought the right fight by keeping it on the feet.

It's BISPING you utter prick!