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CharlesListon wrote:Chump hates Khan.

C'min liston what gives u that impression?

thechump wrote:C'min liston what gives u that impression?

The fact that you clearly hate Khan.

thechump wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:His Welterweight run has hardly been inspiring if he doesn't fight Brook then surely anything less in his next fight would be a bit of a Joke....

Oh watch it,u will be accussed of hating khan

Ha.....no just don't see why he doesn't fight Brook....it's the biggest fight there is for him

thechump wrote:

Anzi wrote:

Horse wrote:This exchange would suggest that you didn't rate Khan as a world class fighter.

If you rated him as a world class fighter then you should have made that more clear when I gave you the chance.

He don't rate Khan at anything, even tiddly winks.

Never seen him play tiddly winks but bet u play pocket billiards whilst watching khan on the scales dont u anzi

Not enough beef for me, prefer Josh.

bbjc wrote:Garcia starting to look a spent force but if hes not i see him knocking khan out in much the same way again. Hes still getting hit with the same punch since that fight even against lesser opponents.

Looks a good cv there mate. Admittedly i know very little about k1 and ufc. Think rousey and mcgregors about the extent of my knowledge. Lol. Good luck with it.

I felt Garcia's first punch was a little lucky last time, he just dropped his head and winged in the hook, where Alvarez set him up with his shot, but after the first knock down, Khan did not recover and got put down 2 more times, Khan was winning until then, but Khan seems to lose concentration in fights. You have to hand it to Garcia, nobody has beat him yet and the power he showed against Khan was not a one off, he did it to Morales as well. Thanks mate, my background was martial arts, I got into boxing because my son was a good Amateur and pro, will continue to try and find talent, wish I had Gallagher's record on the boxing front lol.

Switch hitter wrote:

thechump wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:His Welterweight run has hardly been inspiring if he doesn't fight Brook then surely anything less in his next fight would be a bit of a Joke....

Oh watch it,u will be accussed of hating khan

Ha.....no just don't see why he doesn't fight Brook....it's the biggest fight there is for him

It's the biggest fight for us brit's, but not for Khan.

Anzi wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:

thechump wrote: Oh watch it,u will be accussed of hating khan

Ha.....no just don't see why he doesn't fight Brook....it's the biggest fight there is for him

It's the biggest fight for us brit's, but not for Khan.

It's not like he is some massive draw in the u.s though is it....

thechump wrote:

Anzi wrote:

CharlesListon wrote:Chump hates Khan.[/quote More obvious then the world is round and chump thinks it is square.

Its not round and its not square its flat like ur personality pal

Yes my personality is grounded and not extreme like yours, not all over the place, not flakey and I think before I post. I am not emotionally attached to khan like you.

Maybe Amir Khan's worst piece of luck is that Victor Ortiz imploded during opportunities that would have granted him a big fight. If Khan had been able to defend his titles vs Ortiz it could've been the juicy payday and the defining fight on a big stage he could've won. The stage was set for Ortiz who gave up during his fight with Marcos Maidana. It's a shame Khan v Ortiz never happened. Ortiz just didn't have it mentally despite Ring Mag using rhetoric at every opportunity to hint at us why boxing needs Ortiz. If Khan-Ortiz happened, and was exciting, you have a career defining rivalry. Maybe more than one fight.

Anyway, regarding haters. People who follow boxing for one fighter usually use the term hater when someone is critical of their fighter. I don't hate Khan but it's easy to root against him - and has been since the very beginning. It was easy to root against him during the Limond and Gomez fights when a blown up super feather decked the massive lightweight. It was easy to laugh in cynicism when he was blown out in a minute by unknownPrescott in a fight they had the nerve to sell as a PPV.

To his credit he won two light welter titles, but not against Tim Bradley, the major threat at the weight who defeated Devon Alexander in a unification fight. He's the only Brit to win the fight of the year according to the BWAA. But in that fight he was hurt and actually turned his back on his opponent when the onslaught was too much - I feel this tainted his victory over Maidana.

Khan bravely or stupidly challenged for the lineal middleweight title, a title tainted by the antics of Cotto who began the weight stipulations nonsense against a 40 year old Sergio Martiez (who also wasn't allowed to wear the two knee braces he needed) that continued through Cotto-Geale and prevented the championship being contested over 155-pounds which continued when Cotto surrender the title pretty dismally to Alvarez...Had Khan won this title would likely have been devalued even further given his desire to face Vijender Singh in Indonesia in his next fight (unless Alvarez exercised the rematch clause of course). If the WBC wouldn't sanction Khan would probably have vacated and kept the abstract lineal title which American networks help to promote. I'm not certain boxing needed that.

Anzi wrote:Shadracksimmo, don't see much love, do you ? Can I ask you what your own personal achievements are, how long it took you, how hard you had to work for them and what obstacles you had to overcome ? I won't judge you if you have or have not, just would like you to be honest.

So if you don't love Khan, you instamatically hate him?

Autobarn wrote:To his credit he won two light welter titles, but not against Tim Bradley, the major threat at the weight who defeated Devon Alexander in a unification fight.

Khan beat Kotelnik in the fight before Kotlenik fought Alexander, where he was generally considered to have been robbed. Which was Alexander's last fight before losing to Bradley.

Bradley beating Alexander didn't prove that he was superior to Khan.

ShadrachSimmo wrote:

Anzi wrote:Shadracksimmo, don't see much love, do you ? Can I ask you what your own personal achievements are, how long it took you, how hard you had to work for them and what obstacles you had to overcome ? I won't judge you if you have or have not, just would like you to be honest.

So if you don't love Khan, you instamatically hate him?

People do hate fighters, just as football fans hate other teams, you would never have seen a liverpool football fan praising Man utd when they won the treble, instead they would look for negatives, it's called hating. I don't like the way Mayweather carries himself or his actions, but I still rate him highly and appreciate what he has achieved. you did not answer my question, you must have your own reasons, but the reason I asked it was not to have a go at you, but to highlight what a fighter has to go through to be successful.

Autobarn wrote:Maybe Amir Khan's worst piece of luck is that Victor Ortiz imploded during opportunities that would have granted him a big fight. If Khan had been able to defend his titles vs Ortiz it could've been the juicy payday and the defining fight on a big stage he could've won. The stage was set for Ortiz who gave up during his fight with Marcos Maidana. It's a shame Khan v Ortiz never happened. Ortiz just didn't have it mentally despite Ring Mag using rhetoric at every opportunity to hint at us why boxing needs Ortiz. If Khan-Ortiz happened, and was exciting, you have a career defining rivalry. Maybe more than one fight.

Anyway, regarding haters. People who follow boxing for one fighter usually use the term hater when someone is critical of their fighter. I don't hate Khan but it's easy to root against him - and has been since the very beginning. It was easy to root against him during the Limond and Gomez fights when a blown up super feather decked the massive lightweight. It was easy to laugh in cynicism when he was blown out in a minute by unknownPrescott in a fight they had the nerve to sell as a PPV.

To his credit he won two light welter titles, but not against Tim Bradley, the major threat at the weight who defeated Devon Alexander in a unification fight. He's the only Brit to win the fight of the year according to the BWAA. But in that fight he was hurt and actually turned his back on his opponent when the onslaught was too much - I feel this tainted his victory over Maidana.

Khan bravely or stupidly challenged for the lineal middleweight title, a title tainted by the antics of Cotto who began the weight stipulations nonsense against a 40 year old Sergio Martiez (who also wasn't allowed to wear the two knee braces he needed) that continued through Cotto-Geale and prevented the championship being contested over 155-pounds which continued when Cotto surrender the title pretty dismally to Alvarez...Had Khan won this title would likely have been devalued even further given his desire to face Vijender Singh in Indonesia in his next fight (unless Alvarez exercised the rematch clause of course). If the WBC wouldn't sanction Khan would probably have vacated and kept the abstract lineal title which American networks help to promote. I'm not certain boxing needed that.

Khan stopped Ortiz in the 2nd round when they met in the amateurs, don't understand your logic ? You defend so called haters and then hate lol. You highlight Bradley's win against Alexander that was from a clash of heads, when Khan schooled Alexander. Bradley pulled out of the unification fight with Khan, You somehow find a negative in Khan's win over Maidana, yet Khan won nearly all the rounds and dropped Maidana, something Mayweather could not do, twice, whilst Maidana dropped Broner on the way to to beating him and Maidana knocked out your Ortiz, yet could not even drop Khan, even though he hurt him, what world do you live in ?

Easy to dislike a guy who tells people prior to the Canelo fight that he's fighting for the 'Undisputed Middleweight Championship' and jumping two whole weight classes (one weight class and one pound).
And he wins lots of rounds cause he doesn't hit hard either and people watch him before unloading.
Are people saying Brook isn't now Khan's biggest earner? Who else does he fight? Cotto? Who else is an option?
Does a fight in the US against Cotto or Garcia - both of whom can argue they're the bigger draws and take 60%+ of the pot - make more money than a huge Wembley stadium Sky ppv fight v Brook in the UK where Khan can negotiate 50%+?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

bbjc wrote:Garcia starting to look a spent force but if hes not i see him knocking khan out in much the same way again. Hes still getting hit with the same punch since that fight even against lesser opponents.

Looks a good cv there mate. Admittedly i know very little about k1 and ufc. Think rousey and mcgregors about the extent of my knowledge. Lol. Good luck with it.

Not seen Garcia's last couple of fights. If he's still got a punch on him, he's always in with a shout.

Agree with that mate. Especially that hes a hooker. I m the same missed his last few. Heard hes not been the same since the mattyse fight. Time will tell tho could be any number of things.

Anzi wrote:

bbjc wrote:Garcia starting to look a spent force but if hes not i see him knocking khan out in much the same way again. Hes still getting hit with the same punch since that fight even against lesser opponents.

Looks a good cv there mate. Admittedly i know very little about k1 and ufc. Think rousey and mcgregors about the extent of my knowledge. Lol. Good luck with it.

I felt Garcia's first punch was a little lucky last time, he just dropped his head and winged in the hook, where Alvarez set him up with his shot, but after the first knock down, Khan did not recover and got put down 2 more times, Khan was winning until then, but Khan seems to lose concentration in fights. You have to hand it to Garcia, nobody has beat him yet and the power he showed against Khan was not a one off, he did it to Morales as well. Thanks mate, my background was martial arts, I got into boxing because my son was a good Amateur and pro, will continue to try and find talent, wish I had Gallagher's record on the boxing front lol.

Only thing i disagree with in that post mate was the lucky punch. Garcia was trying it from about round 2. Freddy roach continually told khan to throw one or two shots and get out. Dont stay there for too long. I actually remember coming on either this forum or the boxrec one during round 2 saying khans gonna get caught. You could see it happening before it happened. At that point khan was dominating the fight.

The morales one was a belter. If i remember right morales spun round on impact.

Cant complain too much about having gallachers record mate. Seems like you ve done no to bad yourself.

Infact just rewatched the garcia v khan fight.

I dont think people realise how much danny had it under control. Me included.

That fight would have ended with garcia chasing khan around the ring a la maidana if there was no knockout shot.

Khans punches started losing their power after the first. Started having less affect.

Again khan comes rushing out like the energiser bunny. And does slow up. Speeds still good in the punches but start having less affect...early as well.

Garcia was throwing hooks from the first. They knew what they were doing. Started throwing the wide hooks in the second.

Garcia and his camp predicted a third round finish before the fight.

I dont think people realise the damage garcia laid on khan. He put it on him. Watch the fight and tell me thats not dangerous. Khan genuinely has no business fighting guys even at that level. His body completely betrays him when hes hit with a good shot. Legs all over the place.

Tbf to khan he took heavy fire from garcia before folding.

Pretty much any serious operator will beat khan. Unless they have some sort of major inadequecy that suits khan.
Like we re not calling alegeri a serious operator. But cotto. Mayweather. Pacman. Garcia. Brook. Any one on or near that level. His limits beating alegeri,s guys like that. I think bradley as much as hes got the inadequecies i mention. I think bradley would surprise people with khan. On paper it could be a great win for khan and looks winnable. But i think bradley would do better than what people think.

That russian boy that alegeri beat that freddy roach trains would beat khan. If hes big enough anyway. The boy that gave bradley hell.

Khan just comes across like a boy fighting in a mans world to me. I dont actually dislike him. Amirs a nice kid. But i dislike the delusional stuff. Just comes across like a dumb kid that doesnt know enough. Nearly everything he says is delusional. I sometimes wonder if the punches hes taking have had an affect on him already. Seriously needs to stop boxing at the level of canelo. Even garcia. Or needs to stop all together. Its honestly dangerous for him.

Anzi wrote:

ShadrachSimmo wrote:

Anzi wrote:Shadracksimmo, don't see much love, do you ? Can I ask you what your own personal achievements are, how long it took you, how hard you had to work for them and what obstacles you had to overcome ? I won't judge you if you have or have not, just would like you to be honest.

So if you don't love Khan, you instamatically hate him?

People do hate fighters, just as football fans hate other teams, you would never have seen a liverpool football fan praising Man utd when they won the treble, instead they would look for negatives, it's called hating. I don't like the way Mayweather carries himself or his actions, but I still rate him highly and appreciate what he has achieved. you did not answer my question, you must have your own reasons, but the reason I asked it was not to have a go at you, but to highlight what a fighter has to go through to be successful.

Is it not possible to appreciated and criticise without hating?

Horse wrote:

Autobarn wrote:To his credit he won two light welter titles, but not against Tim Bradley, the major threat at the weight who defeated Devon Alexander in a unification fight.

Khan beat Kotelnik in the fight before Kotlenik fought Alexander, where he was generally considered to have been robbed. Which was Alexander's last fight before losing to Bradley.

Bradley beating Alexander didn't prove that he was superior to Khan.

It was the most direct matchup to prove the best at 140 and Khan stayed away.

Khan's best win is Alexander, don't devalue it.

Alexander v Kotelnik was narrow,close, not a robbery.

Anzi wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Maybe Amir Khan's worst piece of luck is that Victor Ortiz imploded during opportunities that would have granted him a big fight. If Khan had been able to defend his titles vs Ortiz it could've been the juicy payday and the defining fight on a big stage he could've won. The stage was set for Ortiz who gave up during his fight with Marcos Maidana. It's a shame Khan v Ortiz never happened. Ortiz just didn't have it mentally despite Ring Mag using rhetoric at every opportunity to hint at us why boxing needs Ortiz. If Khan-Ortiz happened, and was exciting, you have a career defining rivalry. Maybe more than one fight.

Anyway, regarding haters. People who follow boxing for one fighter usually use the term hater when someone is critical of their fighter. I don't hate Khan but it's easy to root against him - and has been since the very beginning. It was easy to root against him during the Limond and Gomez fights when a blown up super feather decked the massive lightweight. It was easy to laugh in cynicism when he was blown out in a minute by unknownPrescott in a fight they had the nerve to sell as a PPV.

To his credit he won two light welter titles, but not against Tim Bradley, the major threat at the weight who defeated Devon Alexander in a unification fight. He's the only Brit to win the fight of the year according to the BWAA. But in that fight he was hurt and actually turned his back on his opponent when the onslaught was too much - I feel this tainted his victory over Maidana.

Khan bravely or stupidly challenged for the lineal middleweight title, a title tainted by the antics of Cotto who began the weight stipulations nonsense against a 40 year old Sergio Martiez (who also wasn't allowed to wear the two knee braces he needed) that continued through Cotto-Geale and prevented the championship being contested over 155-pounds which continued when Cotto surrender the title pretty dismally to Alvarez...Had Khan won this title would likely have been devalued even further given his desire to face Vijender Singh in Indonesia in his next fight (unless Alvarez exercised the rematch clause of course). If the WBC wouldn't sanction Khan would probably have vacated and kept the abstract lineal title which American networks help to promote. I'm not certain boxing needed that.

Khan stopped Ortiz in the 2nd round when they met in the amateurs, don't understand your logic ? You defend so called haters and then hate lol. You highlight Bradley's win against Alexander that was from a clash of heads, when Khan schooled Alexander. Bradley pulled out of the unification fight with Khan, You somehow find a negative in Khan's win over Maidana, yet Khan won nearly all the rounds and dropped Maidana, something Mayweather could not do, twice, whilst Maidana dropped Broner on the way to to beating him and Maidana knocked out your Ortiz, yet could not even drop Khan, even though he hurt him, what world do you live in ?

How many times do you use the word "hate?" For you it is a verbal tic. I can't take you seriously.

Khan barely beat Makdans, nearly got stopped and turned his back on him in the 10th. Another referee may have stopped him believing he couldn't continue. He probably couldn't continue without the respite he bought himself. He could have been DQ'd, or he could've had a point taken. That was an infraction. But I gave him credit for getting the win in a exciting fight, the only fight won by a Brit that the boxing writers of America voted fight of the year.

I'm not criticising Khan for not fighting Ortiz. You emotional ones never read things properly. I'm saying that would have been a nice stage for Khan because of the way the marketable and apparently exciting Ortiz had been built up. Sadly Ortiz just couldn't get it together when it mattered. They would've been natural rivals and it would have been lucrative. Before Canelo there was Ortiz but Ortiz sadly kept falling apart and didn't become the star America wanted him to be.

Khan would've defended the Lineal middleweight title, that belonged to Robinson, Monzon, Hagler, Hopkins, Martinez with distinction. Against Singh. So it's a good job he was beaten by Alvarez.

Autobarn wrote:It was the most direct matchup to prove the best at 140 and Khan stayed away.

Bradley vs Khan was the most direct matchup to prove the best at 140 lbs.

Khan ducked Alexander?

Did he?

Autobarn wrote:Did he?

He ducked Bradley?

Autobarn wrote:I'm not so sure Khan gets such a "big up".

He just chased the big payday in a fight he could not win. Something he kept asking for with Mayweather and Pacquiao.

Since the Garcia fight Khan hasn't seemed interested in building anything, just looking good (or sometimes not) versus guys who while world class were just right for him. As in underpowered, fast but not as fast as Khan. He's not held a world title for a couple of years now ..............

It's actually 5 years since he won a world title fight.

thechump wrote: Unqualified? Every sport is a matter of opinion,your not qualified either numb nuts so go and post a "i suck khans nads" post. I dont rate khan never have never will he believes his own hype,he has been sparked out 3 times after giving it the billy big balls to the media. He hasnt fought some of best fighters,garcia he was meant to win (if u listened to khan) prescott he was meant to win and canelo was a (ill fight canelo for 9mill then people might forget about me fighting brook). Why wont he fight brook??? Ur qualifies arnt u anzi? Tell boxrec why he wont fight brook

He said he'd fight Brook if he won a world title. He has used various excuses since, the latest being that he won't fight Brook because he doesn't like him.