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Kalan wrote:Or rather he lost back to back fights to Joe Conde and Richie Fontaine in his mid 20's... 2 guys you never heard of.

It is so hard to compare fighters from deep in the past to fighters today. I was able to find a couple of losses by Armstrong in which he literally fought 11 and 12 days before the fights in which he lost. I have to believe that you are more prone to have a bad night, or maybe just not particularly give a f--k when you seriously fight every month. I think great fighters from the past are often exalted to a height that is simply not commensurate with their ability, but it's misleading to compare something like records when the fighters fought in such different worlds. I mean a world title fight against a truly legit challenger like Fritzie Zivic 11 days after a fight??? That's a seriously different era in boxing, no talented modern day fighter will ever have to do that again.

Put it this way, say a great fighter today fought 200 fights over 16-18 years fighting once a month or so, and I don't even mean every guy has to be a stone killer, would they really go 200-0? I say no, because they will just not be at their best some nights, they won't be prepared some nights, they will just feel like crap some nights, and hey sometimes these other guys can fight a little too and they pull off a win. I suppose if you think guys like Valero, GGG, and Joshua would go 200-0, you are entitled to it, but I think the human condition (off nights, losing focus, aging,) gets everyone.

Wlad hasn't fought like a man since Brewster.

Kalan wrote:You made the age excuse for Armstrong when he was only 33... Wladimir is 40 and already lost to Fury... Is that an indication he's lost a step to age???

It is at least worth taking note that it is the younger fighter who is dickering around setting the date for the rematch. He's taking full advantage of the fact that the older fighter will need to pinpoint the fight date in order be ready. It is harder for the aging fighter to get into peak condition without oroper notice.

Kalan wrote:most of the fans in attendance who cheered Vitali and booed Lewis) believe Vitali was ROBBED BLIND vs Lewis.

How did you come across this fact? Did you ask them all?

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Kalan wrote:most of the fans in attendance who cheered Vitali and booed Lewis) believe Vitali was ROBBED BLIND vs Lewis.

How did you come across this fact? Did you ask them all?

Why argue with a complete fucktard who creates his own "Facts"

He has no concept of reality and is a genuine pain in the ass

You're a genuine idiot fk face... The fans cheered Vitali and booed Lewis ... They knew who won, it was obvious.

Kalan wrote:You're a genuine idiot fk face... The fans cheered Vitali and booed Lewis ... They knew who won, it was obvious.

Pretty obvious, not the guy with his face shredded to pieces and his eye hanging out that's for sure.

Kalan wrote:You're a genuine idiot fk face... The fans cheered Vitali and booed Lewis ... They knew who won, it was obvious.

Vitali lost. Nothing you can say changes the true facts.
Dude get over it

YOU get over it... Vitali won the fight on ALL SCORECARDS... The fight didn't go to the scorecards because of corruption.

Kalan wrote:YOU get over it... Vitali won the fight on ALL SCORECARDS... The fight didn't go to the scorecards because of corruption.

Vitali was ahead on all the scorecards. The fight hadn't been completed yet, but had to be stopped because he was cut to shreds. If he was a better fighter he wouldn't have been cut to shreds.

Go to 29:54 of this video and you'll hear the British announcer say "If the fight was stopped because of that cut now, they would go to the scorecards" Even the British announcers knew this fight should have gone to the scorecards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMjyJQClP8o

Kalan wrote:Go to 29:54 of this video and you'll hear the British announcer say "If the fight was stopped because of that cut now, they would go to the scorecards" Even the British announcers knew this fight should have gone to the scorecards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMjyJQClP8o

The British announcer was simply misinformed as the referee didn't say the cuts were caused by fouls at the time they happened. Commentators have jack sh*t to do with the ruling of a cut.

The referee did not at any point say an Accidental headbutt or any other foul was the cause of the fouls. If he had. Then it WOULD'VE went to the scorecards.

The referee was a corrupt official... He's the same referee who let Robert Guerrero get away with murder in his Andre Berto fight... Moret ignored 100 fouls by Guerrero... including throwing 20 punches after the final bell started clanging... At one point as Guerrero was holding and hitting Berto and Lou Moret was looking straight at the fouling and doing nothing... Max Kellerman shouted "SHADES OF LENNOX LEWIS" to laughter from the HBO crew.

Kalan wrote:YOU get over it... Vitali won the fight on ALL SCORECARDS... The fight didn't go to the scorecards because of corruption.

Is this your opinion? Or do you have some proof?

Im leaning towards Holmes

SteveO wrote:Muhammad Ali by a mile.
There shouldn't be any other names on the list :-)

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You know I'm not ranking Joshua on who he beat... but on HOW he beat them... He battered, dominated, and stopped them.. Ali didn't beat Norton, Young, Doug Jones, and some other opponents convincingly...and he lost 5 fights as well.. If Joshua fought guys who were as technically challenged as Jones and Norton, he would have crushed them.. They were right there for a powerhouse puncher to smash..

Jimmy Young wasn't technically challenged, but give me a break on little Jimmy Young ... Anybody as short, small, weak, and soft punching as Jimmy Young is a 1-round job for Joshua.. After Young beat Foreman he lost 3 of his next 4 fights -- 2 of them to a neophyte cruiserweight.. So deal with reality.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Kalan wrote:YOU get over it... Vitali won the fight on ALL SCORECARDS... The fight didn't go to the scorecards because of corruption.

Is this your opinion? Or do you have some proof?

You have to look at the proof, and don't try to be so blind to it... Look at the first 15 seconds of the 3rd round in slo-mo, because that's when all the cuts occurred... First, the right thumb of Lewis's right glove used in a classic thumb strike, opened a nick on Vitali's left eyelid... That's foul 1... Followed by Lewis illegally pulling Vitali into a clinch.. Holding is illegal and that's foul 2.. While holding VK in a headlock, Lewis quickly rubbed his head into the cut, which is illegal use of the head, foul 3.. followed immediately by holding and hitting with VK still in the headlock, with is the 4th foul... the holding and hitting foul included striking with an illegal area of the glove, a palm slash, which is another foul.. Five fouls within 3 or 4 seconds caused all the cuts, including the one ripped open on Vitali's left cheek. That was the palm slash going over VK's left eyelid that also scored his left cheek. The direction of the 3 slashes on Vitali's left eyelid and cheek are all in the same direction -- the same direction of the palm slash.