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victor-romeo wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Ya'll on this board more hurt by the stoppage than Kovalev is. Kovalev looked unsure if he even wanted a rematch.

He had just been punched in the head once hard and the nuts 3 or 4 times, english was his second language he didn't know what the fk to say..

He's been speaking English alright since the first fight with his trash talk. Didn't know a low blow could make you forget you can speak another language.

Leatherface wrote:

I didn't think Kovalev won the previous 2 rounds. By the looks of him, it seemed he was fading. Most of the fight he seemed a bit slower and lethargic from the first fight. Which he faded in too and vowed he corrected.

you gave Ward the 5th and 6th?

Now I've really heard everything

I did too. I was rooting for Kovalev.

diddy wrote:

victor-romeo wrote:

diddy wrote:Deep down, euros LOVE the controversial stoppage because it gives them a fake crutch and takes away from the fact that Kovalev was surely on his way to defeat. If thats a standing 8 count hes down 3 points on 2 cards heading into Round 9 in a fight where he was gassing badly. He was done. Stop with this nonsense. And this coming from a guy who started THIS thread stating he bet on Kovalev. I'm just being realistic.

Do you think Kovalev got a fair deal in both these fights?

I had Kovalev winning the first fight by a point. Close fight. Not a robbery.

I had Kovalev AHEAD slightly tonight as well but could how badly he was fading.

I agree with you, Diddy, 100 %.....

IKSRTFO wrote:Ya'll on this board more hurt by the stoppage than Kovalev is. Kovalev looked unsure if he even wanted a rematch.

The reaction from Kovalev in the post fight from fight 1 to 2 was very telling to me. He didn't even sound like he wanted a rematch, was just saying it to say it.

Leatherface wrote:

Kovalev looked unsure if he even wanted a rematch.

not sure if you even watched the fight

he said in ring and at press conference he wanted a third fight

I said he LOOKED unsure. I didn't say anything about what he said. He said he wanted a rematch but he didn't LOOK like he really want it. He LOOKED like he was just saying that to save face.

IKSRTFO wrote:

victor-romeo wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Ya'll on this board more hurt by the stoppage than Kovalev is. Kovalev looked unsure if he even wanted a rematch.

He had just been punched in the head once hard and the nuts 3 or 4 times, english was his second language he didn't know what the fk to say..

He's been speaking English alright since the first fight with his trash talk. Didn't know a low blow could make you forget you can speak another language.

He asked for rematch all excited and not real confident ..

I haven't seen the fight yet, but low blows aside, these two seem to be pretty evenly contested. A third fight would be nice. Kov really needs to work on that stamina based on what I've read regarding this fight and what I saw from the first fight.

gilgamesh wrote:

Leatherface wrote:

I didn't think Kovalev won the previous 2 rounds. By the looks of him, it seemed he was fading. Most of the fight he seemed a bit slower and lethargic from the first fight. Which he faded in too and vowed he corrected.

you gave Ward the 5th and 6th?

Now I've really heard everything

I did too. I was rooting for Kovalev.

Leather, you do know Ward won in the 8th, so the previous two rounds would be the 6th and 7th?

remember when Golota TKO'd Bowe? why didn't he get the belts?

Leatherface wrote:remember when Golota TKO'd Bowe? why didn't he get the belts?

These two fights are completely different.

Leatherface wrote:remember when Golota TKO'd Bowe? why didn't he get the belts?

..it's simple, you hit someone below belt, you get disqualified, period

greg wrote:

Leatherface wrote:remember when Golota TKO'd Bowe? why didn't he get the belts?

..it's simple, you hit someone below belt, you get disqualified, period

You get a warning and points deductions first.

IKSRTFO wrote:

greg wrote:

Leatherface wrote:remember when Golota TKO'd Bowe? why didn't he get the belts?

..it's simple, you hit someone below belt, you get disqualified, period

You get a warning and points deductions first.

..and I've not seen that either

IKSRTFO wrote:

greg wrote:

Leatherface wrote:remember when Golota TKO'd Bowe? why didn't he get the belts?

..it's simple, you hit someone below belt, you get disqualified, period

You get a warning and points deductions first.

Golota had repetitive low blows, on purpose, with warning and deductions. Ward hits him with one low blow, that the ref might not of even seen, at the end of the fight. If Weeks saw it, a break for Kovalev should have been given. If he didn't, he should have given him a standing 8. Either way, Kovalev was probably done soon. Even before that low blow, he looked defeated and a look of quit on him..

armageto wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

greg wrote: ..it's simple, you hit someone below belt, you get disqualified, period

You get a warning and points deductions first.

Golota had repetitive low blows, on purpose, with warning and deductions. Ward hits him with one low blow, that the ref might not of even seen, at the end of the fight. If Weeks saw it, a break for Kovalev should have been given. If he didn't, he should have given him a standing 8. Either way, Kovalev was probably done soon. Even before that low blow, he looked defeated and a look of quit on him..

it surely was more than once and I tend to believe it was intentional

armageto wrote:

Best Coast wrote:

armageto wrote:
To each their own sir. I could see 4-3 Kovalev, I just think 5-2 is too high. What were the official scores, if given?

Someone said 2 judges had Ward up by 1 and another had Kovalev by 3.

Well, at least I'm not alone in Ward by one. Blodhemn had the Kovalev scorecard, so I guess we were both accurate!

You and two Vegas judges had it alike. Congrats?

Andre Ward fought a great fight, his level of professionalism skill well being mentally and physically is world class ... he's a made guy.
He used a lot of energy early and clearly signalled that he was willing to throw hands from the get go, he didn't looked intimidated or unnerved at all.
He easily dealt with the attempts to cut off the ring and seemed to incoporate it into his defensive rhythm , there were no meaningful attempts that shook disrupted or in any way moved Ward away from his game or comfort zone.
Sergey Kovalev looked sluggish slow and a shadow of the boxer we saw in the first fight.
In the dressing room he had on a white t-shirt and you could see how big he was in that, he came to the ring in a box like gown and had an expression on his face of tiredness, wear and tear and borderline personal dissapontment.
His timing sharpness and hunger had deserted him it was evident almost immediatly, there were those moments of mis-coordination balance and wild wide swings that indicate shortcomings.
Bad night for Sergey Kovalev.

Andre Ward is the man no two questions about it, he won legit clean and in very impressive fashion.

If Kovalev would've KO'd him like y'all believed we wouldn't be having this conversation.

IKSRTFO wrote:If Kovalev would've KO'd him like y'all believed we wouldn't be having this conversation.

You're right.
I'll own it I was wrong.

Evander wrote:Andre Ward fought a great fight, his level of professionalism skill well being mentally and physically is world class ... he's a made guy.
He used a lot of energy early and clearly signalled that he was willing to throw hands from the get go, he didn't looked intimidated or unnerved at all.
He easily dealt with the attempts to cut off the ring and seemed to incoporate it into his defensive rhythm , there were no meaningful attempts that shook disrupted or in any way moved Ward away from his game or comfort zone.
Sergey Kovalev looked sluggish slow and a shadow of the boxer we saw in the first fight.
In the dressing room he had on a white t-shirt and you could see how big he was in that, he came to the ring in a box like gown and had an expression on his face of tiredness, wear and tear and borderline personal dissapontment.
His timing sharpness and hunger had deserted him it was evident almost immediatly, there were those moments of mis-coordination balance and wild wide swings that indicate shortcomings.
Bad night for Sergey Kovalev.

Andre Ward is the man no two questions about it, he won legit clean and in very impressive fashion.

The ending doesn't take away this point.

greg wrote:

armageto wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

You get a warning and points deductions first.

Golota had repetitive low blows, on purpose, with warning and deductions. Ward hits him with one low blow, that the ref might not of even seen, at the end of the fight. If Weeks saw it, a break for Kovalev should have been given. If he didn't, he should have given him a standing 8. Either way, Kovalev was probably done soon. Even before that low blow, he looked defeated and a look of quit on him..

it surely was more than once and I tend to believe it was intentional

I'm referring to the last exchange. I'll have to watch it again, but a lot of these low blows didn't look low at all. Just Kovalev complaining about every body shot.

armageto wrote:

greg wrote:

armageto wrote:
Golota had repetitive low blows, on purpose, with warning and deductions. Ward hits him with one low blow, that the ref might not of even seen, at the end of the fight. If Weeks saw it, a break for Kovalev should have been given. If he didn't, he should have given him a standing 8. Either way, Kovalev was probably done soon. Even before that low blow, he looked defeated and a look of quit on him..

it surely was more than once and I tend to believe it was intentional

I'm referring to the last exchange. I'll have to watch it again, but a lot of these low blows didn't look low at all. Just Kovalev complaining about every body shot.

..I guess he should have hit back instead of complaining..

Blodhemn wrote:

armageto wrote:

Best Coast wrote: Someone said 2 judges had Ward up by 1 and another had Kovalev by 3.

Well, at least I'm not alone in Ward by one. Blodhemn had the Kovalev scorecard, so I guess we were both accurate!

You and two Vegas judges had it alike. Congrats?

By the looks of it, most people seem to have had it 4-3 either way.

greg wrote:..I guess he should have hit back instead of complaining..

Kovalev would've gotten points taken away or outright DQ'd. You've got to get a KO to earn a draw here.

It's good to see Roc nation is back to getting those favors. This main event screw up also featured an undercard screw up, just like last November.

Blodhemn wrote:

greg wrote:..I guess he should have hit back instead of complaining..

Kovalev would've gotten points taken away or outright DQ'd. You've got to get a KO to earn a draw here.

It's good to see Roc nation is back to getting those favors. This main event screw up also featured an undercard screw up, just like last November.

like I said, welcome to the Mecca of Boxing