The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time

[elmersalsa]

And what is so funny?

[Onetimeonly]

And what is so funny?

You, you're funny. Like a clown for my amusement. I can't wait until 2021 to see who is number 80!!!!!

[elmersalsa]

And what is so funny?

You, you're funny. Like a clown for my amusement. I can't wait until 2021 to see who is number 80!!!!!

[Onetimeonly]

Yes, get some rest for a few months before the next entry.

[oogiebe]

Yes, get some rest for a few months before the next entry.

So what's the over/under on getting to number one?

[Onetimeonly]

Yes, get some rest for a few months before the next entry.

So what's the over/under on getting to number one?

13 years?

[oogiebe]

So what's the over/under on getting to number one?

13 years?

Just making sure I"ll still be kickin'. Be still my beating heart!

[Onetimeonly]

13 years?

Just making sure I"ll still be kickin'. Be still my beating heart!

I'll give you a hint. It's Hank Armstrong.

[elmersalsa]

Dave Tiberi, a huge underdog, fought the fight of his life only to be screwed by the judges in his IBF Middleweight World title effort against the great James Toney. The fight was in Trump's Taj Mahal in Atlantic City, NJ.

Tiberi, dominated the fight and overwhelmed the champion. No question about it. This is one of boxing's greatest all-time robberies. It got to be.

Even though Tiberi got 2 points deducted in round 6 for a low blow, still, it didn't change the outcome in my view that he won the fight. The man, Toney, who was The Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year for 1991 was a little surprised that he won. I think he knew inside of him that he lost the fight. But in the interview after the fight, the champ didn't show any class. But, I agree that making the 160lbs limit was draining him, and it showed on this fight. He was slow, lethargic, tiredc and with no power and steam in his punches after round 6.
In round 6, the referee Robert Palmer from New Jersey had to stop the fight because one of Tiberi's gloves were split open. That delayed the fight for 20 minutes and a tired Toney had a big rest. He needed it every second of those 20 minutes. He was wilting.

Tiberi, an Italian-American from Delaware, was in extremely great shape. He was inside of Toney and never let go. He was working Toney with hooks and right crosses inside. He fought his fight. He wasn't a KO puncher. He only had 7 KOs in only 27 fights. And when you see his record, he had not face anybody that was a true middleweight contender. The closest he ever fought on that level was contender Tony Thornton. Thornton stopped Tiberi in 4 rounds.

The judges scored the fight like this:
Judge Frank Brunette scored it 117-111, Tiberi. I think that that was a big stretch in the points scoring, but, I think that Tiberi won the fight regardless.

Judges Frank Garza and Bill Lerch scored it 115-112 for Toney? They probably got paid under the table BIG TIME! There's no way how you view this fight for Toney to come out victorious. All judges are American.

After the fight, US Senator William Roth of Delaware requested an investigation of the corruption of this fight. It turned out that 2 of the judges were not licensed by the state of New Jersey.

After the fight, an angry and heartbroken Tiberi retired from the ring at the age of 25. He never made a comeback.

[elmersalsa]

I scored the fight 116-114 in favor of Dave Tiberi. He was robbed outright.

[Onetimeonly]

That's a disgraceful card. He won at least 9 RDS.

[Ambling Alp II]

I think my favorite part of elmer's description of the fight was where he felt the need to mention that all the judges were American.
So were the two fighters!

My second favorite part was when he said "This is one of boxing's greatest all-time robberies. It got to be." His own score was 116-114.

For the record, I thought Tiberi got hosed as well.

[Onetimeonly]

Only Elmer can have an all time robbery with a 2pt margin and 4 RDS he scored even.

[oogiebe]

Lawsey! What number we up to? (Tiberi isn't a top 100 fighter, btw)

[Ambling Alp II]

Yes, but Tiberi fought James Toney, whom elmer ranks #90. elmer is still giving us crucial information about Toney, which he started doing on December 19.

[elmersalsa]

Only Elmer can have an all time robbery with a 2pt margin and 4 RDS he scored even.

At least the three of us finally agree together on something. It was a robbery, nonetheless.

[oogiebe]

Only Elmer can have an all time robbery with a 2pt margin and 4 RDS he scored even.

At least the three of us finally agree together on something. It was a robbery, nonetheless.

Score!

[Onetimeonly]

Only Elmer can have an all time robbery with a 2pt margin and 4 RDS he scored even.

At least the three of us finally agree together on something. It was a robbery, nonetheless.

Not on your card it wasn't. If you want to go rbr I'll tally it properly for you.

[elmersalsa]

At least the three of us finally agree together on something. It was a robbery, nonetheless.

Not on your card it wasn't. If you want to go rbr I'll tally it properly for you.

According to me, Tiberi win the fight, right?

[Onetimeonly]

Not on your card it wasn't. If you want to go rbr I'll tally it properly for you.

According to me, Tiberi win the fight, right?

You can't add.

[elmersalsa]

I just saw the James Toney title defense against contender Glenn Wolfe. It was a great display of pure boxing by the champion Toney that really showed his worth and class. Wolfe really wasn't on his level and he lost by unanimous decision by wide margins in all judges scorecards: 117-111, 119-109, and 118-110 were all in favor of the then young champion Toney of Ann Arbor, MI.

Toney boxed when he wanted to. Slugged it out when he wanted to. Rested when he needed rest. He was in all cylinders this time. He was really in his A-game. It was the 5th title defense of his IBF middleweight crown.

Toney was a busy champion in an era that fighters didn't fight much during a year. He was a throwback of the old days. A warrior's mentality. I imagine a fight between he and the likes of:
Marvelous Marvin Hagler
Thomas Hearns
Roberto Duran
Sugar Ray Leonard
Gene Fullmer
Carmen Basilio
Carlos Monzon
Bennie Briscoe

It would certainly be some great scraps.

[elmersalsa]

It was evident that James Toney could not make the Middleweight limit anymore.

In his first fight at 168lbs, Toney had an easy tune up bout with tough veteran contender Doug DeWitt from Yonkers, NY. DeWitt fought many of the best like Thomas Hearns and Iran Barkley. He reached the distance with Hearns in a 1986 Middleweight bout.

Here in this fight with Toney, DeWitt was clearly past his best. He tried to outrough Toney, but Toney, a rough fighter himself, wasn't going to crumble anyway. He was too much for DeWitt. Toney won by a 6th round TKO. It was a total mismatch. DeWitt begged in his corner to his own trainer at the end of round 6 to stop the fight. He had enough. He was getting hurt out there. And stopping the fight was the right thing to do because DeWitt until that point didn't win a single round in my view. It was all Toney's.

Next for Toney? A challenge for the WBC World Super Middleweight Championship. The champion? Rough and tough Iran Barkley from the Bronx, NY.

[elmersalsa]

It was evident that James Toney could not make the Middleweight limit anymore.

In his first fight at 168lbs, Toney had an easy tune up bout with tough veteran contender Doug DeWitt from Yonkers, NY. DeWitt fought many of the best like Thomas Hearns and Iran Barkley. He reached the distance with Hearns in a 1986 Middleweight bout.

Here in this fight with Toney, DeWitt was clearly past his best. He tried to outrough Toney, but Toney, a rough fighter himself, wasn't going to crumble anyway. He was too much for DeWitt. Toney won by a 6th round TKO. It was a total mismatch. DeWitt begged in his corner to his own trainer at the end of round 6 to stop the fight. He had enough. He was getting hurt out there. And stopping the fight was the right thing to do because DeWitt until that point didn't win a single round in my view. It was all Toney's.

Next for Toney? A challenge for the WBC World Super Middleweight Championship The champion? Rough and tough Iran Barkley from the Bronx, NY.

I'm sorry. The fight was for the IBF World Super Middleweight Championship. Not WBC World Super Middleweight Championship.

[Onetimeonly]

Thank you for the correction, I'm sure I'm not the only one taking notes.

[elmersalsa]

James "Lights Out" Toney started the year 1993 with a bang and in a new weight class. The year before, 1992, wasn't so kind. Some say that it was probably the worst year as champion. He only stopped one guy, the one time tough contender Doug DeWitt of Yonkers, NY. He really was supposed to be a dethroned champion when David Tiberi beat him outright. But, Toney, somehow escaped from the decision.

On February, 1993, Toney was ready in only his second fight at 168lbs. He challenged veteran tough triple crown World champion Iran Barkley of the Bronx, NY. It was a fight of two guys that have that warrior's mentality. But, the fight was mostly one-sided. Toney showed his mastery over The Blade and gave him an ass whupping for 9 rounds. This was Toney in his prime. At his very best! He looked much more comfortable at 168lbs than at 160.

Barkley's trainer, former light-heavyweight champion Eddie Mustapha Muhammad had to stop the fight. His pupil was getting hit from all angles. Barkley's face was a wreck. Barkley didn't want the fight to be stopped. That's come to show us the warrior inside of him.

James "Lights Out" Toney wins his second world crown in his second weight class. He looked terrific!