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Re: The great non champions
Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 19:09
by elmersalsa
scartissue wrote: ↑29 Apr 2021, 15:59
elmersalsa wrote: ↑29 Apr 2021, 13:08
How about this guy?: Ernie Schaaf
A solid heavyweight contender, but I would still have Quarry, Folley and Machen before him.
Jerry Quarry is great choice.
Any objections against Quarry at #37?
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 20:58
by AntonioMartin
elmersalsa wrote: ↑29 Apr 2021, 19:09
scartissue wrote: ↑29 Apr 2021, 15:59
elmersalsa wrote: ↑29 Apr 2021, 13:08
How about this guy?: Ernie Schaaf
A solid heavyweight contender, but I would still have Quarry, Folley and Machen before him.
Jerry Quarry is great choice.
Any objections against Quarry at #37?
He gave everyone and their mother everything they could handle!!
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 23:31
by BoxBuzz
Bivins really deserves to be on it, don't think he ever held a title did he?
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 30 Apr 2021, 07:46
by elmersalsa
BoxBuzz wrote: ↑29 Apr 2021, 23:31
Bivins really deserves to be on it, don't think he ever held a title did he?
Jimmy Bivins is already in the list
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 30 Apr 2021, 18:20
by scartissue
I think Jerry Quarry is a great addition to your list. I would mention also...
Zora Folley - who beat Oscar Bonavena, Bob Foster, George Chuvalo, Doug Jones, Eddie Machen, Henry Cooper, Nino Valdez and Bob Cleroux.
Eddie Machen - who beat Nino Valdez, Joey Maxim, Bob Baker, Hurricane Jackson, Doug Jones, Jerry Quarry and Johnny Holman.
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 01 May 2021, 06:57
by AntonioMartin
scartissue wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 18:20
Zora Folley - who beat Oscar Bonavena, Bob Foster, George Chuvalo, Doug Jones, Eddie Machen, Henry Cooper, Nino Valdez and Bob Cleroux.
And gave Ali a pretty good fight.
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 02 May 2021, 23:45
by jaclem3
savold and oma don't make it as great fighter.....oma especially. nether does galeto....but you'd never convince anyone who ran into his left hook
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 03 May 2021, 12:28
by elmersalsa
At #37, we got Jerry Quarry!
So the list looks like this:
1. Sam Langford
2. Charley Burley
3. Packey McFarland
4. Holman Williams
5. Jimmy Bivins
6. "Peerless" Jem Driscoll
7. Lloyd Marshall
8. Peter Jackson
9. Joe Jeannette
10. Billy Graham
11. Newsboy Brown
12. Billy Petrolle
13. Harry Wills
14. Sam McVaey
15. Mike Gibbons
16. Owen Moran
17. Les Darcy
18. Pedro Montañez
19. Cocoa Kid
20. Jimmy Leto
21. Young Stribbling
22. Lew Tendler
23. Kid Norfolk
24. Tommy Gibbons
25. George Godfrey
26. Lew Feldman
27. Eddie Booker
28. Georgie Abrams
29. Dave Sands
30. Dave Shade
31. Willie Joyce
32. Len Harvey
33. Gil Turner
34. Wesley Ramey
35. Jock McAvoy
36. Percy Bassett
37. Jerry Quarry
13 more to go!
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 03 May 2021, 14:15
by elmersalsa
Who do we got at #38?
How about this guy? Jack Chase
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 04 May 2021, 05:18
by AntonioMartin
How about Leotis Martin how good was he? Tury Pineda? Antonio Amaya?
Oh Eljiro Murata held two hall of famers to draws in world championship fights!!!
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 04 May 2021, 08:31
by scartissue
elmersalsa wrote: ↑03 May 2021, 14:15
Who do we got at #38?
How about this guy? Jack Chase
I think Jack Chase is a great pick.
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 04 May 2021, 10:56
by elmersalsa
scartissue wrote: ↑04 May 2021, 08:31
elmersalsa wrote: ↑03 May 2021, 14:15
Who do we got at #38?
How about this guy? Jack Chase
I think Jack Chase is a great pick.
Anybody got an objection on Jack Chase?
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 04 May 2021, 10:57
by elmersalsa
Jack Chase fought the greats Archie Moore, Holman Williams and Charley Burley.
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 05 May 2021, 13:02
by chrisjs1985
Chase is a great pick. Better than a number already on there IMO. As is Jose Medel, who I still can't believe hasn't cracked the list.
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 05 May 2021, 14:54
by elmersalsa
At #38, we got Jack Chase!
So the list looks like this:
1. Sam Langford
2. Charley Burley
3. Packey McFarland
4. Holman Williams
5. Jimmy Bivins
6. "Peerless" Jem Driscoll
7. Lloyd Marshall
8. Peter Jackson
9. Joe Jeannette
10. Billy Graham
11. Newsboy Brown
12. Billy Petrolle
13. Harry Wills
14. Sam McVaey
15. Mike Gibbons
16. Owen Moran
17. Les Darcy
18. Pedro Montañez
19. Cocoa Kid
20. Jimmy Leto
21. Young Stribbling
22. Lew Tendler
23. Kid Norfolk
24. Tommy Gibbons
25. George Godfrey
26. Lew Feldman
27. Eddie Booker
28. Georgie Abrams
29. Dave Sands
30. Dave Shade
31. Willie Joyce
32. Len Harvey
33. Gil Turner
34. Wesley Ramey
35. Jock McAvoy
36. Percy Bassett
37. Jerry Quarry
38. Jack Chase
12 more to go!
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 05 May 2021, 20:43
by AntonioMartin
chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 13:02
Chase is a great pick. Better than a number already on there IMO. As is Jose Medel, who I still can't believe hasn't cracked the list.
Didnt he fight for a world title twice??
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 05 May 2021, 21:52
by elmersalsa
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 20:43
chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 13:02
Chase is a great pick. Better than a number already on there IMO. As is Jose Medel, who I still can't believe hasn't cracked the list.
Didnt he fight for a world title twice??
Yes, Jose Medel fought for the title twice
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 06 May 2021, 00:04
by AntonioMartin
elmersalsa wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 14:54
At #38, we got Jack Chase!
So the list looks like this:
1. Sam Langford
2. Charley Burley
3. Packey McFarland
4. Holman Williams
5. Jimmy Bivins
6. "Peerless" Jem Driscoll
7. Lloyd Marshall
8. Peter Jackson
9. Joe Jeannette
10. Billy Graham
11. Newsboy Brown
12. Billy Petrolle
13. Harry Wills
14. Sam McVaey
15. Mike Gibbons
16. Owen Moran
17. Les Darcy
18. Pedro Montañez
19. Cocoa Kid
20. Jimmy Leto
21. Young Stribbling
22. Lew Tendler
23. Kid Norfolk
24. Tommy Gibbons
25. George Godfrey
26. Lew Feldman
27. Eddie Booker
28. Georgie Abrams
29. Dave Sands
30. Dave Shade
31. Willie Joyce
32. Len Harvey
33. Gil Turner
34. Wesley Ramey
35. Jock McAvoy
36. Percy Bassett
37. Jerry Quarry
38. Jack Chase
12 more to go!
Eijiro Murata??? (maybe?)
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 06 May 2021, 08:23
by scartissue
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑06 May 2021, 00:04
elmersalsa wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 14:54
At #38, we got Jack Chase!
So the list looks like this:
1. Sam Langford
2. Charley Burley
3. Packey McFarland
4. Holman Williams
5. Jimmy Bivins
6. "Peerless" Jem Driscoll
7. Lloyd Marshall
8. Peter Jackson
9. Joe Jeannette
10. Billy Graham
11. Newsboy Brown
12. Billy Petrolle
13. Harry Wills
14. Sam McVaey
15. Mike Gibbons
16. Owen Moran
17. Les Darcy
18. Pedro Montañez
19. Cocoa Kid
20. Jimmy Leto
21. Young Stribbling
22. Lew Tendler
23. Kid Norfolk
24. Tommy Gibbons
25. George Godfrey
26. Lew Feldman
27. Eddie Booker
28. Georgie Abrams
29. Dave Sands
30. Dave Shade
31. Willie Joyce
32. Len Harvey
33. Gil Turner
34. Wesley Ramey
35. Jock McAvoy
36. Percy Bassett
37. Jerry Quarry
38. Jack Chase
12 more to go!
Eijiro Murata??? (maybe?)
Antonio, I think Murata is a good choice, but it was his draws with Chandler and Pintor which stand out on his record as his best results. Personally, I would have Joe Medel, Jesus Pimental, Bernardo Caraballo, Alan Rudkin and Famoso Gomez ahead of him from 118. But that's just my opinion.
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 06 May 2021, 09:36
by elmersalsa
How about this guy at #39?: Zora Folley!
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 06 May 2021, 22:07
by scartissue
I think Zora Folley is a fine choice.
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 07 May 2021, 11:37
by AntonioMartin
scartissue wrote: ↑06 May 2021, 08:23
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑06 May 2021, 00:04
elmersalsa wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 14:54
At #38, we got Jack Chase!
So the list looks like this:
1. Sam Langford
2. Charley Burley
3. Packey McFarland
4. Holman Williams
5. Jimmy Bivins
6. "Peerless" Jem Driscoll
7. Lloyd Marshall
8. Peter Jackson
9. Joe Jeannette
10. Billy Graham
11. Newsboy Brown
12. Billy Petrolle
13. Harry Wills
14. Sam McVaey
15. Mike Gibbons
16. Owen Moran
17. Les Darcy
18. Pedro Montañez
19. Cocoa Kid
20. Jimmy Leto
21. Young Stribbling
22. Lew Tendler
23. Kid Norfolk
24. Tommy Gibbons
25. George Godfrey
26. Lew Feldman
27. Eddie Booker
28. Georgie Abrams
29. Dave Sands
30. Dave Shade
31. Willie Joyce
32. Len Harvey
33. Gil Turner
34. Wesley Ramey
35. Jock McAvoy
36. Percy Bassett
37. Jerry Quarry
38. Jack Chase
12 more to go!
Eijiro Murata??? (maybe?)
Antonio, I think Murata is a good choice, but it was his draws with Chandler and Pintor which stand out on his record as his best results. Personally, I would have Joe Medel, Jesus Pimental, Bernardo Caraballo, Alan Rudkin and Famoso Gomez ahead of him from 118. But that's just my opinion.
You're probably right....
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 07 May 2021, 12:44
by elmersalsa
There were no objections for #39 spot.
So, at #39, we got underrated heavyweight contender Zora Folley!
So the list looks like this:
1. Sam Langford
2. Charley Burley
3. Packey McFarland
4. Holman Williams
5. Jimmy Bivins
6. "Peerless" Jem Driscoll
7. Lloyd Marshall
8. Peter Jackson
9. Joe Jeannette
10. Billy Graham
11. Newsboy Brown
12. Billy Petrolle
13. Harry Wills
14. Sam McVaey
15. Mike Gibbons
16. Owen Moran
17. Les Darcy
18. Pedro Montañez
19. Cocoa Kid
20. Jimmy Leto
21. Young Stribbling
22. Lew Tendler
23. Kid Norfolk
24. Tommy Gibbons
25. George Godfrey
26. Lew Feldman
27. Eddie Booker
28. Georgie Abrams
29. Dave Sands
30. Dave Shade
31. Willie Joyce
32. Len Harvey
33. Gil Turner
34. Wesley Ramey
35. Jock McAvoy
36. Percy Bassett
37. Jerry Quarry
38. Jack Chase
39. Zora Folley
11 more to go!
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 07 May 2021, 13:41
by JC
George Benton
Re: The great non champions
Posted: 08 May 2021, 13:29
by elmersalsa
How about this guy at #40?
Ellsworth "Spider" Webb