Ali in his prime: 4 guys that SURELY would've beaten him

[keithmoonhangover]

Foreman was out of the game in 1975, outside of exhibitions. Frazier was the #1 contender. Ali fought him. Not much more to it than that.

That's it.

Foreman has admitted to being depressed and not wanting to fight, so what was Ali supposed to do?

Ali was busy fighting and when Foreman did return in '76, the second Frazier fight aside, where Smokin'Joe was basically a living corpse, Foreman did not look so formidable as previously and then he promptly retired for good (or so we thought) after being outclassed by feather fisted Jimmy Young.

Ali can't be blamed for that.

- Geez, it's like you two was born yesterday for the umpteenth time.

Timeline is your friend if you seriously follow boxing history.

Zaire was a rigged fight, period, from loose ropes, George cut open his first spar in Zaire, held hostage by troops of notorious mass murderer Mugabe who Ali shamelessly kissed up to while being feted in his ill begotten mansion while George was kept from flying to Paris to get proper care for the cut.

First time ever knocked down and George gets a short count with Ali fraternizing his own corner ignoring the neutral corner rule as he did most of his career. There were 2 seconds left in the round.

George ditches Sadler for his sorry role in the mess along with Archie who later convinces George of his innocence in Zaire and was instrumental in his comeback.



Post fight Ring interview has Foreman ready for the rematch while Ali refuses to commit.

Post fight interview with Ferdie has him advising Herbert to avoid the rematch with Foreman because of the heavy body damage he did to Ali, and indeed, just as he did with Mr. Field, their KO ratios precipitously drop as do their subsequent boxing performances.

Nov 75 Playboy interview Ali says a black Indonesian oilman made a rematch offer of $5mil apiece, so what does he do? Why go get beat up by Chuck Wepner in Podunk Ohio for less than a third of $5mil. The same Wepner than 3 fight novice George blew out inside 3 rounds.

When George has his exhibition in Canada, Ali and Cosell in his stupid yellow Jacket soil themselves, Cosell pontificating over the disgrace as Ali jumps all over screaming at George that he ain't ever getting a rematch.

George Dec 75 Cover makes his intentions even more clear.



I'm embarrassed having to point out this well known stuff on a history forum of all things where presumably at least a bare minimum standard of acumen should be demonstrated.

Seriously dude, put the crack pipe down.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Foreman was out of the game in 1975, outside of exhibitions. Frazier was the #1 contender. Ali fought him. Not much more to it than that.

That's it.

Foreman has admitted to being depressed and not wanting to fight, so what was Ali supposed to do?

Ali was busy fighting and when Foreman did return in '76, the second Frazier fight aside, where Smokin'Joe was basically a living corpse, Foreman did not look so formidable as previously and then he promptly retired for good (or so we thought) after being outclassed by feather fisted Jimmy Young.

Ali can't be blamed for that.

- Geez, it's like you two was born yesterday for the umpteenth time.

Timeline is your friend if you seriously follow boxing history.

Zaire was a rigged fight, period, from loose ropes, George cut open his first spar in Zaire, held hostage by troops of notorious mass murderer Mugabe who Ali shamelessly kissed up to while being feted in his ill begotten mansion while George was kept from flying to Paris to get proper care for the cut.

First time ever knocked down and George gets a short count with Ali fraternizing his own corner ignoring the neutral corner rule as he did most of his career. There were 2 seconds left in the round.

George ditches Sadler for his sorry role in the mess along with Archie who later convinces George of his innocence in Zaire and was instrumental in his comeback.



Post fight Ring interview has Foreman ready for the rematch while Ali refuses to commit.

Post fight interview with Ferdie has him advising Herbert to avoid the rematch with Foreman because of the heavy body damage he did to Ali, and indeed, just as he did with Mr. Field, their KO ratios precipitously drop as do their subsequent boxing performances.

Nov 75 Playboy interview Ali says a black Indonesian oilman made a rematch offer of $5mil apiece, so what does he do? Why go get beat up by Chuck Wepner in Podunk Ohio for less than a third of $5mil. The same Wepner than 3 fight novice George blew out inside 3 rounds.

When George has his exhibition in Canada, Ali and Cosell in his stupid yellow Jacket soil themselves, Cosell pontificating over the disgrace as Ali jumps all over screaming at George that he ain't ever getting a rematch.

George Dec 75 Cover makes his intentions even more clear.



I'm embarrassed having to point out this well known stuff on a history forum of all things where presumably at least a bare minimum standard of acumen should be demonstrated.

Mobutu was the president of Zaire when the Ali Forman bout happened. Mugabi was the leader of the entirely different country of Zimbabwe and not until 1980. Or, like the Chinese, do all African people look the same to you? I'm embarrassed for you having to point this out on a history forum of all things.

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I haven't read any of BRR's interminable waffle post for years and I don't intend to start now.

I swear he types with his winky rather than his fingers!

[keithmoonhangover]

I haven't read any of BRR's interminable waffle post for years and I don't intend to start now.

I swear he types with his winky rather than his fingers!

He's got to be posting from a secure mental facility, surely?

[Syntax Error]

I haven't read any of BRR's interminable waffle post for years and I don't intend to start now.

I swear he types with his winky rather than his fingers!

He's got to be posting from a secure mental facility, surely?

It would not surprise me.

[Giancarlo]

I haven't read any of BRR's interminable waffle post for years and I don't intend to start now.

I swear he types with his winky rather than his fingers!

He's got to be posting from a secure mental facility, surely?

and dreaming of Paul Sykes visiting him after lights out

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That's it.

Foreman has admitted to being depressed and not wanting to fight, so what was Ali supposed to do?

Ali was busy fighting and when Foreman did return in '76, the second Frazier fight aside, where Smokin'Joe was basically a living corpse, Foreman did not look so formidable as previously and then he promptly retired for good (or so we thought) after being outclassed by feather fisted Jimmy Young.

Ali can't be blamed for that.

- Geez, it's like you two was born yesterday for the umpteenth time.

Timeline is your friend if you seriously follow boxing history.

Zaire was a rigged fight, period, from loose ropes, George cut open his first spar in Zaire, held hostage by troops of notorious mass murderer Mugabe who Ali shamelessly kissed up to while being feted in his ill begotten mansion while George was kept from flying to Paris to get proper care for the cut.

First time ever knocked down and George gets a short count with Ali fraternizing his own corner ignoring the neutral corner rule as he did most of his career. There were 2 seconds left in the round.

George ditches Sadler for his sorry role in the mess along with Archie who later convinces George of his innocence in Zaire and was instrumental in his comeback.



Post fight Ring interview has Foreman ready for the rematch while Ali refuses to commit.

Post fight interview with Ferdie has him advising Herbert to avoid the rematch with Foreman because of the heavy body damage he did to Ali, and indeed, just as he did with Mr. Field, their KO ratios precipitously drop as do their subsequent boxing performances.

Nov 75 Playboy interview Ali says a black Indonesian oilman made a rematch offer of $5mil apiece, so what does he do? Why go get beat up by Chuck Wepner in Podunk Ohio for less than a third of $5mil. The same Wepner than 3 fight novice George blew out inside 3 rounds.

When George has his exhibition in Canada, Ali and Cosell in his stupid yellow Jacket soil themselves, Cosell pontificating over the disgrace as Ali jumps all over screaming at George that he ain't ever getting a rematch.

George Dec 75 Cover makes his intentions even more clear.



I'm embarrassed having to point out this well known stuff on a history forum of all things where presumably at least a bare minimum standard of acumen should be demonstrated.

Mobutu was the president of Zaire when the Ali Forman bout happened. Mugabi was the leader of the entirely different country of Zimbabwe and not until 1980. Or, like the Chinese, do all African people look the same to you? I'm embarrassed for you having to point this out on a history forum of all things.

Did he seriously get that wrong?

The self appointed font of all knowledge can't even get a basic fact like that correct?

What a chump!

This is what happens when you type messages with your winky rather than your fingers.

Maybe BRR needs to 'study up'!

[keithmoonhangover]

That photo does contain Angie Dundee raising one of the ropes to, so he can get into the ring. To the right of his is someone pressing down the top rope.

[Teddy's Toupee]

- Geez, it's like you two was born yesterday for the umpteenth time.

Timeline is your friend if you seriously follow boxing history.

Zaire was a rigged fight, period, from loose ropes, George cut open his first spar in Zaire, held hostage by troops of notorious mass murderer Mugabe who Ali shamelessly kissed up to while being feted in his ill begotten mansion while George was kept from flying to Paris to get proper care for the cut.

First time ever knocked down and George gets a short count with Ali fraternizing his own corner ignoring the neutral corner rule as he did most of his career. There were 2 seconds left in the round.

George ditches Sadler for his sorry role in the mess along with Archie who later convinces George of his innocence in Zaire and was instrumental in his comeback.



Post fight Ring interview has Foreman ready for the rematch while Ali refuses to commit.

Post fight interview with Ferdie has him advising Herbert to avoid the rematch with Foreman because of the heavy body damage he did to Ali, and indeed, just as he did with Mr. Field, their KO ratios precipitously drop as do their subsequent boxing performances.

Nov 75 Playboy interview Ali says a black Indonesian oilman made a rematch offer of $5mil apiece, so what does he do? Why go get beat up by Chuck Wepner in Podunk Ohio for less than a third of $5mil. The same Wepner than 3 fight novice George blew out inside 3 rounds.

When George has his exhibition in Canada, Ali and Cosell in his stupid yellow Jacket soil themselves, Cosell pontificating over the disgrace as Ali jumps all over screaming at George that he ain't ever getting a rematch.

George Dec 75 Cover makes his intentions even more clear.



I'm embarrassed having to point out this well known stuff on a history forum of all things where presumably at least a bare minimum standard of acumen should be demonstrated.

Mobutu was the president of Zaire when the Ali Forman bout happened. Mugabi was the leader of the entirely different country of Zimbabwe and not until 1980. Or, like the Chinese, do all African people look the same to you? I'm embarrassed for you having to point this out on a history forum of all things.

Did he seriously get that wrong?

The self appointed font of all knowledge can't even get a basic fact like that correct?

What a chump!

This is what happens when you type messages with your winky rather than your fingers.

Maybe BRR needs to 'study up'!

Yes. In another post on another thread, where he's pompously pontificating on about a possible Foreman Tyson bout when George was on his comeback, he says Mao Zedong was keen for the fight to happen in China as he so admired Foreman. When I pointed out in a reply that Mao had died in 1976, it promped the pompous response from BroughtonKnowsF*ckAll that all Chinese commies look the same to him. That's why I asked him if all Africans look the same to him in my post above. Hopefully his embarrassing himself like this again might put him off posting his interminable waffle for a while.

[hhaehre]

Mobutu was the president of Zaire when the Ali Forman bout happened. Mugabi was the leader of the entirely different country of Zimbabwe and not until 1980. Or, like the Chinese, do all African people look the same to you? I'm embarrassed for you having to point this out on a history forum of all things.

Did he seriously get that wrong?

The self appointed font of all knowledge can't even get a basic fact like that correct?

What a chump!

This is what happens when you type messages with your winky rather than your fingers.

Maybe BRR needs to 'study up'!

Yes. In another post on another thread, where he's pompously pontificating on about a possible Foreman Tyson bout when George was on his comeback, he says Mao Zedong was keen for the fight to happen in China as he so admired Foreman. When I pointed out in a reply that Mao had died in 1976, it promped the pompous response from BroughtonKnowsF*ckAll that all Chinese commies look the same to him. That's why I asked him if all Africans look the same to him in my post above. Hopefully his embarrassing himself like this again might put him off posting his interminable waffle for a while.

What's weird is that he writes these huge posts with such certainty, but apparently does not fact check anything. Is it all off of his own old faded memory of events?

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Mobutu was the president of Zaire when the Ali Forman bout happened. Mugabi was the leader of the entirely different country of Zimbabwe and not until 1980. Or, like the Chinese, do all African people look the same to you? I'm embarrassed for you having to point this out on a history forum of all things.

Did he seriously get that wrong?

The self appointed font of all knowledge can't even get a basic fact like that correct?

What a chump!

This is what happens when you type messages with your winky rather than your fingers.

Maybe BRR needs to 'study up'!

Yes. In another post on another thread, where he's pompously pontificating on about a possible Foreman Tyson bout when George was on his comeback, he says Mao Zedong was keen for the fight to happen in China as he so admired Foreman. When I pointed out in a reply that Mao had died in 1976, it promped the pompous response from BroughtonKnowsF*ckAll that all Chinese commies look the same to him. That's why I asked him if all Africans look the same to him in my post above. Hopefully his embarrassing himself like this again might put him off posting his interminable waffle for a while.

He's a plank and planks are very hard to reason with.

He's needs to remember, if you're going to post interminable piffle, at least make sure it is accurate, that way you can claim some sort of credibility, but to get a basic fact like that wrong is beyond embarrassing.

I gave up reading his shyte years ago and just skim right over his posts whenever I see his name.

I just cannot be bothered at all.

[keithmoonhangover]

Did he seriously get that wrong?

The self appointed font of all knowledge can't even get a basic fact like that correct?

What a chump!

This is what happens when you type messages with your winky rather than your fingers.

Maybe BRR needs to 'study up'!

Yes. In another post on another thread, where he's pompously pontificating on about a possible Foreman Tyson bout when George was on his comeback, he says Mao Zedong was keen for the fight to happen in China as he so admired Foreman. When I pointed out in a reply that Mao had died in 1976, it promped the pompous response from BroughtonKnowsF*ckAll that all Chinese commies look the same to him. That's why I asked him if all Africans look the same to him in my post above. Hopefully his embarrassing himself like this again might put him off posting his interminable waffle for a while.

What's weird is that he writes these huge posts with such certainty, but apparently does not fact check anything. Is it all off of his own old faded memory of events?

I think it's all creative fiction.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- For all the usual unremittently uneducables littering the boxing history forum, the Mass Murdering African Despot's forum awaits your expertise.

Mugabi, Mobutu, & Charlie Manson are all immaterial to from the start of George's Zaire arrival until his spontaneous spiritual awakening during his post Young shower, ie the powers that be kept him from rematching Ali in spite of George's demonstrably proven enthusiasm for doing so.

Your unproven tooth faerie beliefs have no such place on a history forum, yet you poor dears still spend a lifetime debating each other how many tooth faeries can fit on the points of your pinhaids, so have at it!

Soft addled lads can never understand how George may have lost a few battles, but he won The War, and he did it on his terms

[keithmoonhangover]

- For all the usual unremittently uneducables littering the boxing history forum, the Mass Murdering African Despot's forum awaits your expertise.

Mugabi, Mobutu, & Charlie Manson are all immaterial to from the start of George's Zaire arrival until his spontaneous spiritual awakening during his post Young shower, ie the powers that be kept him from rematching Ali in spite of George's demonstrably proven enthusiasm for doing so.

Your unproven tooth faerie beliefs have no such place on a history forum, yet you poor dears still spend a lifetime debating each other how many tooth faeries can fit on the points of your pinhaids, so have at it!

Soft addled lads can never understand how George may have lost a few battles, but he won The War, and he did it on his terms

I love how fantastically bonkers you are.

[keithmoonhangover]

- For all the usual unremittently uneducables littering the boxing history forum, the Mass Murdering African Despot's forum awaits your expertise.

Mugabi, Mobutu, & Charlie Manson are all immaterial to from the start of George's Zaire arrival until his spontaneous spiritual awakening during his post Young shower, ie the powers that be kept him from rematching Ali in spite of George's demonstrably proven enthusiasm for doing so.

Your unproven tooth faerie beliefs have no such place on a history forum, yet you poor dears still spend a lifetime debating each other how many tooth faeries can fit on the points of your pinhaids, so have at it!

Soft addled lads can never understand how George may have lost a few battles, but he won The War, and he did it on his terms

I think you're ilduce in disguise.