Classic American West Coast Boxing

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 10 May 2008, 03:53

kikibalt wrote:

Can you imagine how big Apostoli would be today?

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 10 May 2008, 08:07

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 10 May 2008, 08:35

Chalky Wright

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 10 May 2008, 08:35

bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Can you imagine how big Apostoli would be today?

BIG!!!!!

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 10 May 2008, 10:27

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Rick Farris · Post by **Rick Farris** » 10 May 2008, 11:10

bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Baby Arizmendi been evicted from his cafe.
Great shot.

I always heard that Arizmandi had this thick neck.

Rick Farris

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 10 May 2008, 11:18

Ricky Baby, where the hell have you been?

Rick Farris · Post by **Rick Farris** » 10 May 2008, 11:34

kikibalt wrote:Ricky Baby, where the hell have you been?

New TV Show, new wife, new home, new everything. The only thing that's getting old is me. Not a lot of time amigo, but I try to keep up. And let's face it, some of these old stories I tell aren't that interesting.

-Rick

Rick Farris · Post by **Rick Farris** » 10 May 2008, 11:41

By the way, Frank. I'll be at the Calif. HOF in June, The Sportsman's Lodge is right around the corner from where I live. It's my favorite watering hole. Hope Dagos will make the drive up, like to meet him.

By the way, let me say again, In October the WBHOF has it's annual induction banquet and I will reserve a special table just for the regular posters on this Forum. Dagos has already RSVP'd and I look forward to he and his wife joining us. Hopefully Frank, you and Conne will come. Scarface will be there. I wish Bennie could here for the event, but the U.K. is a long way from Southern Cal, same for Pug, Ray, and the rest. You guys are great!

-Ricardo

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 10 May 2008, 11:52

Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Ricky Baby, where the hell have you been?
New TV Show, new wife, new home, new everything. The only thing that's getting old is me. Not a lot of time amigo, but I try to keep up. And let's face it, some of these old stories I tell aren't that interesting.

-Rick

Rick,

Don't kid yourself, your stories are every interesting to most of us here, who doesn't like to read great SoCa. boxing history? not many I bet, so keep writing, you see I'm printing all this thread for my kids, grandkids and their kids and grandkids.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 10 May 2008, 13:21

kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Ricky Baby, where the hell have you been?
New TV Show, new wife, new home, new everything. The only thing that's getting old is me. Not a lot of time amigo, but I try to keep up. And let's face it, some of these old stories I tell aren't that interesting.

-Rick
Rick,

Don't kid yourself, your stories are every interesting to most of us here, who doesn't like to read great SoCa. boxing history? not many I bet, so keep writing, you see I'm printing all this thread for my kids, grandkids and their kids and grandkids.

Im really enjoying the stories Rick and so is everyone else Im sure.
The Crawford and Conrad stories are priceless .
As I mentioned before, some guys I used to drink with knew Conrad pretty well and much of what they said about him concurs with what you have said.
The comparisons are hilarious.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 10 May 2008, 13:50

Expug wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: New TV Show, new wife, new home, new everything. The only thing that's getting old is me. Not a lot of time amigo, but I try to keep up. And let's face it, some of these old stories I tell aren't that interesting.

-Rick
Rick,

Don't kid yourself, your stories are every interesting to most of us here, who doesn't like to read great SoCa. boxing history? not many I bet, so keep writing, you see I'm printing all this thread for my kids, grandkids and their kids and grandkids.
Im really enjoying the stories Rick and so is everyone else Im sure.
The Crawford and Conrad stories are priceless .
As I mentioned before, some guys I used to drink with knew Conrad pretty well and much of what they said about him concurs with what you have said.
The comparisons are hilarious.

Hey Rick
If you tried to bait me for a complement, it worked. Keep writing. I don't know if you are aware,but when this thread started with Pug's post about Indian Red,I jumped in because I like Pug's input. Then Frank put up some pics. Frank mentioned that he'd ask you if you wanted io contribute. I had read some of your stories on Southland boxing. I replied,"Please get this guy. He knows the score down here."

Now we're one happy little family. New wife,new house,new bills,new job. You're living the American Dream. Stay aboard.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 10 May 2008, 13:56

kikibalt wrote:

Frank
I noticed thar Sid Flaherty managed a lot of these fighters. He handled quite a few down here. Maybe Rick can help also. Anything on Sid Flaherty? I know he handled Bobo Olsen.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 10 May 2008, 14:18

dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Frank
I noticed thar Sid Flaherty managed a lot of these fighters. He handled quite a few down here. Maybe Rick can help also. Anything on Sid Flaherty? I know he handled Bobo Olsen.

diego,

Flaherty did 99% of his work up in the S.F. Bay area, he snag Cadilli from SoCal and moved him and his then wife to S.F., but no, he didn't handled fighters here in the in SoCal.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 10 May 2008, 14:32

Kid Azteca's name has come up around the Forum lately. Kid Azteca was born in Tepito,Disticto Federal. You see a lot of Mexican fighters with "Tepito" written on their trunks. That's because "Tepito" is one old rough "barrio" in Mexico City. If you're from "Tepito" people knew that you can handle yourself. You better be street wise and tough or you won't last long there. It's lost a lot of its character because drugs are everywhere you go nowadays,but I can imagine what it was like when the Keeeed was growing up. If you were a male and walked outside,fist fighting was the sport of exercise and it also established the rank and file of the neighborhood . If you could whip the other guys,you had respect. There was no talking your way out of it.

I have a sister in law who lives in "Tepito". This goes way back,but she had three girls and two boys. The girls all slept in the same room. Their beds were partitioned by a blanket hung over a rope. It was their privacy.They were studying in school to try to make something of themselves. I remember one of the girls was going to nursing school. I looked at her textbook. Copywrite:1940. I think her teacher was putting the moves on her. I don't know what happenec ,but she probably figured maybe the guy was sincere. Who knows?

The boys helped their mother sell cheese and "crema" in the street. They'd take a bus to the warehouse at 3 in the morning and then set up on the curb with their mother and sell the cheese and "crema." Mexico City is one big swap meet(tiangis) everyday. They estimate 3 million people sell things in the street . Forget about driving on those streets.

Kid Axteca and the fighters with "Tepito" written on their trunks. I guess they didn't want to sell cheese and "crema" on the street.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 10 May 2008, 14:40

kikibalt wrote:

The first fight that Don Chargin promoted was between Eddie Chavez and Manuel Ortiz, when Don was 19-20 years old, he told me that he had to hock eveything he owned to come up with the money that he had to put up front, at that time Chavez didn't want fight anymore because his career wasn't going anywhere, so he thought, Chargin told him that if he would take the fight, he would pay him enough money to buy a house, which he did and Chavez brought his first home.

That was in 1950 and Chavez went on to have a stellar career.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 10 May 2008, 14:46

Enrique Bolanos and Kid Azteca

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 10 May 2008, 14:52

kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Frank
I noticed thar Sid Flaherty managed a lot of these fighters. He handled quite a few down here. Maybe Rick can help also. Anything on Sid Flaherty? I know he handled Bobo Olsen.
diego,

Flaherty did 99% of his work up in the S.F. Bay area, he snag Cadilli from SoCal and moved him and his then wife to S.F., but no, he didn't handled fighters here in the in SoCal.

Frank
I knew I wasn't imagining things. Flaherty handled Denny Moyer down here in San Diego. Danny Rodriguez trained his fighters. Anything on Danny Rodriguez?

Rick Farris · Post by **Rick Farris** » 10 May 2008, 15:09

kikibalt wrote:
Baby Arizmendi vs Henry Armstrong

Too bad HBO couldn't get this match, Armstrong vs. Arizmendi. Imagine, this same fight, only held in today's HBO ring, minus the usual HBO crew of Lampley, Merchant, Letterman, Buffer, etc.

From ringside Don Dunphy & Dick Enberg, and instead of the stale, "Let's get ready to rumble . . ." crap, we have a silver haired Jimmy Lennon Sr.'s, "All right fans, here we go . . .!"

Today's hi-def cams and inovative production techniques would show us so much more of how great these guys really were.

Only in my dreams . . .

-Rick Farris

Rick Farris · Post by **Rick Farris** » 10 May 2008, 15:26

kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Frank
I noticed thar Sid Flaherty managed a lot of these fighters. He handled quite a few down here. Maybe Rick can help also. Anything on Sid Flaherty? I know he handled Bobo Olsen.
diego,

Flaherty did 99% of his work up in the S.F. Bay area, he snag Cadilli from SoCal and moved him and his then wife to S.F., but no, he didn't handled fighters here in the in SoCal.

I remember in the early 70's, Flaherty lived in the San Diego area, and had a trainer that worked with him, who was also his life partner, and they'd bring up fighters to L.A. once in awhile. I may be wrong, but I think they had Eddie Mazon. I don't know why Flaharty's assistant's name escapes me, he worked as a second in my corner for a couple times for fights in S.D.

One of the better Southern Cal featherweights of the 60's was Bobby Valdez (Who I believe was handled by Wes Wambold). Many of us have memories of great fights held at the Olympic, but the one I'll NEVER forget, and would love to get my hands on a copy of the KTLA Ch. 5 broadcast, is the Dwight Hawkins-Bobby Valdez draw, that was voted the Olympic's 1967 "Fight of the Year".

The Corrales-Castillo war is no better than this one.

-Rick