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kikibalt wrote:

Cholo wrote:Boxing News May 14, 1947
Bob Montgomery, who disputes the world's lightweight title with Ike Williams, had matters all his own way when he disposed of Joey Barnum, a local lad, at Los Angeles recently. The Bobcat was loudly booed as he left the ring, chiefly because of an after-the-bell punch that sent his opponent to one knee. Barnum was floored early in the seventh round, got up, but was out on his feet when the referee stopped the fight....Frank, do you remember Joey Barnum, he was a friend of "Golden Boy" Aragon..

Paul, I did know Joey back in the day, not well though. I only seen him fight live one time, late in his career I seen him against Baby Ortiz at the Ocean Park Arena in '51. He and Aragon fought more than once I think. He lost lots of fight, but they were all to the top lightweights of that era. After he retired he was a bail bonds man with an office in El Monte, which is about 5 miles from my house.

Joey is quite a charactor. Like many of us, he doesn't think much of today's boxers and a few years ago, well into his 70's, he petitioned the Calif. Athletic Commission for a pro boxing license. The Commission turned down his application, but promoter Ken Thompson allowed the former fighter to enter the ring during an intermission, dresssed in a robe & trunks, and shadow box. The crowd gave Barnum a standing ovation. New West Magazine did a feature on Joey in the 90's outlining his endeavors as a Bounty Hunter. In addition to his Bail Bond business, Joey would hunt down fugitives. There was a lot of controversy in the World Boxing Hall of Fame after Joey was inducted. The feeling was that Barnum was qualified for CBHOF status, but did not deserve the WBHOF induction?

Rick, Thanks for the Info on Joey Barnum..

kikibalt wrote:

Cholo wrote:Boxing News May 14, 1947
Bob Montgomery, who disputes the world's lightweight title with Ike Williams, had matters all his own way when he disposed of Joey Barnum, a local lad, at Los Angeles recently. The Bobcat was loudly booed as he left the ring, chiefly because of an after-the-bell punch that sent his opponent to one knee. Barnum was floored early in the seventh round, got up, but was out on his feet when the referee stopped the fight....Frank, do you remember Joey Barnum, he was a friend of "Golden Boy" Aragon..

Paul, I did know Joey back in the day, not well though. I only seen him fight live one time, late in his career I seen him against Baby Ortiz at the Ocean Park Arena in '51. He and Aragon fought more than once I think. He lost lots of fight, but they were all to the top lightweights of that era. After he retired he was a bail bonds man with an office in El Monte, which is about 5 miles from my house.

Frank, Thanks for the Info buddy, Joey seems quite a character..

kikibalt wrote:A CHICANA IN HEAVEN!

A middle aged Chicana had a heart attack and was taken

to the hospital.

While on the operating table, she had a near death experience

and the Creator appeared before her.

Seeing the Creator, she asked, "Dios mio, is my time

up?"

Dios said, "No mijita, you have another 43 years, two months and eight days to live."

The Chicana decided to stay in the hospital and have the

works done: face-lift, liposuction, chi-chi lift, nalga lift and pansa

tuck. (Write back if you need spanglish-translation)

She was all excited because she knew she had a long life

ahead and wanted to look bien chingona!

After her final operation, she was released from the hospital.

While crossing the street on her way to a taqueria, she was hit and killed by a bus.

Arriving in front of the Creator, she demanded, "Orale

pues...que Paso? I thought you said I had another 40 years to go? Why didn't you pull me out of the path of that pinche bus?"

The Creator replied, "Orale chica, I didn't recognize you

Frank,

The Modern Way To Build A Champion . . . .

The key today is to make sure the boxer doez not lose. Great fighters never lose. Robinson never lost, neither did Duran, Ali, Louis, etc.
With today's superior athletes making the sport tougher than ever, matchmaking is the key to building a champion. For example, there is an unbeaten kid coming up in the San Gabriel Valley. His name is Frank Gomez and he will bring a 9-0 (7 KO's) into a very tough fight. His next opponent (I forget his name) will prove Gomez' toughest challenge, bringing into the ring an impressive record of 7-5-1 (0-KO's). Now that's a challenge.

Rick Farris wrote:The Modern Way To Build A Champion . . . .

The key today is to make sure the boxer doez not lose. Great fighters never lose. Robinson never lost, neither did Duran, Ali, Louis, etc.
With today's superior athletes making the sport tougher than ever, matchmaking is the key to building a champion. For example, there is an unbeaten kid coming up in the San Gabriel Valley. His name is Frank Gomez and he will bring a 9-0 (7 KO's) into a very tough fight. His next opponent (I forget his name) will prove Gomez' toughest challenge, bringing into the ring an impressive record of 7-5-1 (0-KO's). Now that's a challenge.

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:The Modern Way To Build A Champion . . . .

The key today is to make sure the boxer doez not lose. Great fighters never lose. Robinson never lost, neither did Duran, Ali, Louis, etc.
With today's superior athletes making the sport tougher than ever, matchmaking is the key to building a champion. For example, there is an unbeaten kid coming up in the San Gabriel Valley. His name is Frank Gomez and he will bring a 9-0 (7 KO's) into a very tough fight. His next opponent (I forget his name) will prove Gomez' toughest challenge, bringing into the ring an impressive record of 7-5-1 (0-KO's). Now that's a challenge.

A Philadelphian........

My father told me many moons ago that New York based fighters used to bring in Philadelphia fighters to help build up their careers.
He clarified that many Great fighters came out of Philadelphia,PA (Giardello to name one) and should not be confused with being a "Philadelphia fighter".
It would seem that alot of guys with decent but not good records were brought in to assist careers along,especially early careers. Not taking dives,but rather having unorthodox skills or lack power punches.Occaisionally,these guys would score upset victories which was a set back for any young fighter and his mgr.


I remember sitting ringside with my father in the Felt Forum and he would size up fighters and their opponents and listen to their records.Regardless from where the opponent was from.
He would turn to me and say "He's a Philadelphian". Enough said.

A perfect example of this would be a fighter named "Kid Samson" in the 70's & 80's from by all places,Philladelphia. A Heavyweight, I saw him many times flop against guys like Eddie Mustafa Muhammed,Elijah Tillery,Bobby Cassidy and the likes. I invite you to look at his record. Many times he wasnt on the original card but during the fights was announced as a last minute substitute who got good work and paydays.

TROUT REMAINS CHAMPION

WBA Official Ruling

WBA Super Welterweight World Champion Austin Trout and his support team are relieved and yet admittedly still angry after receiving final word from WBA Executive Vice President Gilberto Mendoza, Jr. that the WBA has ratified Trout as champion and invalidates the result of a positive post-fight drug test taken in Mexico.
In early June, Trout successfully defended his title against David Lopez by unanimous decision only to be informed afterward that the results of a dubious drug test came back positive for marijuana.
According to Team Trout and promoter Greg Cohen, proper procedures and protocol were not followed. The urine samples they took were not sealed and Trout wasn't asked to sign any paperwork.
For licensed medical professionals doing proper post-fight drug testing, a "Chain of Custody" process is employed including sealing the sample and filling out necessary paperwork.
Smelling a rat, immediately after arriving home, Team Trout had two more urine samples properly tested at a facility approved by The New Mexico Boxing Commission and sent them to the WBA. Both samples came back clean.

kikibalt wrote:TROUT REMAINS CHAMPION

WBA Official Ruling

WBA Super Welterweight World Champion Austin Trout and his support team are relieved and yet admittedly still angry after receiving final word from WBA Executive Vice President Gilberto Mendoza, Jr. that the WBA has ratified Trout as champion and invalidates the result of a positive post-fight drug test taken in Mexico.
In early June, Trout successfully defended his title against David Lopez by unanimous decision only to be informed afterward that the results of a dubious drug test came back positive for marijuana.
According to Team Trout and promoter Greg Cohen, proper procedures and protocol were not followed. The urine samples they took were not sealed and Trout wasn't asked to sign any paperwork.
For licensed medical professionals doing proper post-fight drug testing, a "Chain of Custody" process is employed including sealing the sample and filling out necessary paperwork.
Smelling a rat, immediately after arriving home, Team Trout had two more urine samples properly tested at a facility approved by The New Mexico Boxing Commission and sent them to the WBA. Both samples came back clean.

They best keep Trout out of Mexico . He won twice below the border, why push his luck?
We know he's got a great trainer, hope his managment is as competent.

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:TROUT REMAINS CHAMPION

WBA Official Ruling

WBA Super Welterweight World Champion Austin Trout and his support team are relieved and yet admittedly still angry after receiving final word from WBA Executive Vice President Gilberto Mendoza, Jr. that the WBA has ratified Trout as champion and invalidates the result of a positive post-fight drug test taken in Mexico.
In early June, Trout successfully defended his title against David Lopez by unanimous decision only to be informed afterward that the results of a dubious drug test came back positive for marijuana.
According to Team Trout and promoter Greg Cohen, proper procedures and protocol were not followed. The urine samples they took were not sealed and Trout wasn't asked to sign any paperwork.
For licensed medical professionals doing proper post-fight drug testing, a "Chain of Custody" process is employed including sealing the sample and filling out necessary paperwork.
Smelling a rat, immediately after arriving home, Team Trout had two more urine samples properly tested at a facility approved by The New Mexico Boxing Commission and sent them to the WBA. Both samples came back clean.

They best keep Trout out of Mexico . He won twice below the border, why push his luck?
We know he's got a great trainer, hope his managment is as competent.

Disgusting is all I can say. If they cant stack the judges or ref against you,they try to pull off this crap.
If you think about it. A boxer smoking marijauna days before his fight or on fight day could only lead to "bad" things-hardly a performance enhancer I would think. Unless your a musician. (Cue a Grateful Dead tune)

CNorkusJr wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:TROUT REMAINS CHAMPION

WBA Official Ruling

WBA Super Welterweight World Champion Austin Trout and his support team are relieved and yet admittedly still angry after receiving final word from WBA Executive Vice President Gilberto Mendoza, Jr. that the WBA has ratified Trout as champion and invalidates the result of a positive post-fight drug test taken in Mexico.
In early June, Trout successfully defended his title against David Lopez by unanimous decision only to be informed afterward that the results of a dubious drug test came back positive for marijuana.
According to Team Trout and promoter Greg Cohen, proper procedures and protocol were not followed. The urine samples they took were not sealed and Trout wasn't asked to sign any paperwork.
For licensed medical professionals doing proper post-fight drug testing, a "Chain of Custody" process is employed including sealing the sample and filling out necessary paperwork.
Smelling a rat, immediately after arriving home, Team Trout had two more urine samples properly tested at a facility approved by The New Mexico Boxing Commission and sent them to the WBA. Both samples came back clean.

They best keep Trout out of Mexico . He won twice below the border, why push his luck?
We know he's got a great trainer, hope his managment is as competent.

Disgusting is all I can say. If they cant stack the judges or ref against you,they try to pull off this crap.
If you think about it. A boxer smoking marijauna days before his fight or on fight day could only lead to "bad" things-hardly a performance enhancer I would think. Unless your a musician. (Cue a Grateful Dead tune)

Charlie, over the years I've heard a lot of horror stories of American boxers getting bad decisions in Mexico. Dwight Hawkins actually KOed the Mexican featherweight champ, Aurileo Muniz, in Tampico back in 1967. He was "disqualified " because his trainer stepped into the ring to hand him his robe before the decision was announced. Johnny Flores protested and got the bad verdict changed to a "draw". They have nothing in Mexico but a lot of good people being strangled by corruption. Hopefully Austin Trout can establish a strong American fan base. Risking his future and title in Mexico will never pay much money, or establish anything that equates to success in the States.

CNorkusJr wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:The Modern Way To Build A Champion . . . .

The key today is to make sure the boxer doez not lose. Great fighters never lose. Robinson never lost, neither did Duran, Ali, Louis, etc.
With today's superior athletes making the sport tougher than ever, matchmaking is the key to building a champion. For example, there is an unbeaten kid coming up in the San Gabriel Valley. His name is Frank Gomez and he will bring a 9-0 (7 KO's) into a very tough fight. His next opponent (I forget his name) will prove Gomez' toughest challenge, bringing into the ring an impressive record of 7-5-1 (0-KO's). Now that's a challenge.

A Philadelphian........

My father told me many moons ago that New York based fighters used to bring in Philadelphia fighters to help build up their careers.
He clarified that many Great fighters came out of Philadelphia,PA (Giardello to name one) and should not be confused with being a "Philadelphia fighter".
It would seem that alot of guys with decent but not good records were brought in to assist careers along,especially early careers. Not taking dives,but rather having unorthodox skills or lack power punches.Occaisionally,these guys would score upset victories which was a set back for any young fighter and his mgr.


I remember sitting ringside with my father in the Felt Forum and he would size up fighters and their opponents and listen to their records.Regardless from where the opponent was from.
He would turn to me and say "He's a Philadelphian". Enough said.

A perfect example of this would be a fighter named "Kid Samson" in the 70's & 80's from by all places,Philladelphia. A Heavyweight, I saw him many times flop against guys like Eddie Mustafa Muhammed,Elijah Tillery,Bobby Cassidy and the likes. I invite you to look at his record. Many times he wasnt on the original card but during the fights was announced as a last minute substitute who got good work and paydays.

Charlie, I've always known of Philly for having some great fighters, however, I appreciate your pointing out that not all fighters that come out of Philly, are Philly fighters.

The traffic is already crazy for 4th of July weekend.
Actually, traffic is just heavy, it's the people who are crazy.

http://www.b-westerns.com/corvlle.htm

When the kids were small we used to take them to the Corriganville Movie Ranch....

Rick Farris wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:
They best keep Trout out of Mexico . He won twice below the border, why push his luck?
We know he's got a great trainer, hope his managment is as competent.

Disgusting is all I can say. If they cant stack the judges or ref against you,they try to pull off this crap.
If you think about it. A boxer smoking marijauna days before his fight or on fight day could only lead to "bad" things-hardly a performance enhancer I would think. Unless your a musician. (Cue a Grateful Dead tune)

Charlie, over the years I've heard a lot of horror stories of American boxers getting bad decisions in Mexico. Dwight Hawkins actually KOed the Mexican featherweight champ, Aurileo Muniz, in Tampico back in 1967. He was "disqualified " because his trainer stepped into the ring to hand him his robe before the decision was announced. Johnny Flores protested and got the bad verdict changed to a "draw". They have nothing in Mexico but a lot of good people being strangled by corruption. Hopefully Austin Trout can establish a strong American fan base. Risking his future and title in Mexico will never pay much money, or establish anything that equates to success in the States.

After reading several posts here on CAWCB, I got that impression from you gentlemen that Mexico boxing officials are less than steller on their home turf when it comes to fighters from other countries like USA. I'm sure there are just decisions along the way, but to have a reputation for it is not good. It could only hurt them in the long run as US boxers as well as other foreign champs decide to go elsewhere with their championships and money.
The various organizations must have a say also (WBC,IBF,etc etc). It creates just another black eye on the sport that has enough already.

Rick Farris wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

A Philadelphian........

My father told me many moons ago that New York based fighters used to bring in Philadelphia fighters to help build up their careers.
He clarified that many Great fighters came out of Philadelphia,PA (Giardello to name one) and should not be confused with being a "Philadelphia fighter".
It would seem that alot of guys with decent but not good records were brought in to assist careers along,especially early careers. Not taking dives,but rather having unorthodox skills or lack power punches.Occaisionally,these guys would score upset victories which was a set back for any young fighter and his mgr.


I remember sitting ringside with my father in the Felt Forum and he would size up fighters and their opponents and listen to their records.Regardless from where the opponent was from.
He would turn to me and say "He's a Philadelphian". Enough said.

A perfect example of this would be a fighter named "Kid Samson" in the 70's & 80's from by all places,Philladelphia. A Heavyweight, I saw him many times flop against guys like Eddie Mustafa Muhammed,Elijah Tillery,Bobby Cassidy and the likes. I invite you to look at his record. Many times he wasnt on the original card but during the fights was announced as a last minute substitute who got good work and paydays.

Charlie, I've always known of Philly for having some great fighters, however, I appreciate your pointing out that not all fighters that come out of Philly, are Philly fighters.

Yes, absolutely Rick, . I believe it can be considered a boxing "slang" word. -Philidelphian.
At least here on the East Coast, and it goes back many years before my father boxed. Because Philly was probably the closest boxing hub to NY and NJ ,the imports from Philly with their overall records were probably least known to the fight fans here and can be brought in for their work.

We all know about fighters long ago, that had horrendous starts to their pro career, and to wipe the slate clean,would change their boxing names to start anew. Nat Fleischer tried to somehow put a temporary halt to that by publishing his ring record logs, but a fighter always managed to change shape and form.

In New York there was a rule (might still be) that if you suffer a KO loss you must sit out 30 days to "recoup". My father told me fighters came back into the ring as someone else to get their weekly payday. The commissions developed a sharp eye on who's who to try to combat this. Again it was all about money,nothing else.

But I heard several old-timers use the word "philidelphian" for fighters that came in from anywhere to help build up records. As you added-many,many great fighters came from Philly,PA-Camden,NJ area and should never be considered on those terms.

With all that being said, I'm sure if your from the Philly area,you take great exception to that description above. Why wouldn't you be mad. I'm sure its a New York thing that gave Philly fits since years ago.

CNorkusJr wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote: Disgusting is all I can say. If they cant stack the judges or ref against you,they try to pull off this crap.
If you think about it. A boxer smoking marijauna days before his fight or on fight day could only lead to "bad" things-hardly a performance enhancer I would think. Unless your a musician. (Cue a Grateful Dead tune)

Charlie, over the years I've heard a lot of horror stories of American boxers getting bad decisions in Mexico. Dwight Hawkins actually KOed the Mexican featherweight champ, Aurileo Muniz, in Tampico back in 1967. He was "disqualified " because his trainer stepped into the ring to hand him his robe before the decision was announced. Johnny Flores protested and got the bad verdict changed to a "draw". They have nothing in Mexico but a lot of good people being strangled by corruption. Hopefully Austin Trout can establish a strong American fan base. Risking his future and title in Mexico will never pay much money, or establish anything that equates to success in the States.

After reading several posts here on CAWCB, I got that impression from you gentlemen that Mexico boxing officials are less than steller on their home turf when it comes to fighters from other countries like USA. I'm sure there are just decisions along the way, but to have a reputation for it is not good. It could only hurt them in the long run as US boxers as well as other foreign champs decide to go elsewhere with their championships and money.
The various organizations must have a say also (WBC,IBF,etc etc). It creates just another black eye on the sport that has enough already.

Charlie, this has gone on for decades, nothing new, no surprises, no change, nothing will be done about it, nobody will boycott anything, no matter how boxing changes, Mexico will not. That's one thing that will never change. Anybody from here (especially Chicano) will have no edge below the border. So when a dumb bastid gets the short end of the deal, it isn't as if they shouldn't have known better.

kikibalt wrote:http://www.b-westerns.com/corvlle.htm

When the kids were small we used to take them to the Corriganville Movie Ranch....

Of all the film lots I've worked on or been on, I never was at Corriganville. When I was a kid, it was a place that I knew people visited, but I never had the chance. I have worked at several movie ranches in the area, such as Big Sky off Tapo Cyn in Simi Valley, and not far away was the old Spahn Ranch where the Manson Family holed up. And there were a few more. Last year, I was shooting an exterior for a TV series on the streets of a neighborhood in the foothills Simi. At the end of the cul-d-sac was the entrance to what was once Corriganville, which I believe today is a State Park?

Come on David Haye! Been offline a few weeks, lads, hope you are all well. What's new?

I think Haye/Klitschko is going to be one boring fight, Klitschko plodding, Haye running..

Listening to a V Ortiz interview..... he dont sound to smart

bennie wrote:Come on David Haye! Been offline a few weeks, lads, hope you are all well. What's new?

Hey dude!, where the hell you been??!!. Were you doing time??....

Odds say I'm wrong but . . .

I pick David Haye to knockout Vlad Klitschko tonight.
I don't like disrespective boxers, but I like that Haye disrespects this bum.
Icing on the cake will be achieveing this on the big oaf's turf.
You know, tonight could be like one of those "Rocky" movies.
Davey (Haye) vs. Goliath. I'm actually excited about this fight, even if I consider both performers sub-par talent.
Bring the title back to Great Britain.

Early HBO Broadcast . . .

The Haye-Vlad fight will come on earlier than usual. 1:45pm on the West coast.

I don't know much about David Haye, other than he has a big mouth.