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[computerrank]

Beterbiev rating #26 p4p.... I just laugh. When Beterbiev had the IBF & WBC (without WBO) and they put Callum Smith #1 in LHW. I laugh even more....

BoxRec does not go with emotions - it goes with figures. Beterbiev never defeated an opponent near to the quality Bivol did with Alvarez and Ramirez. An even if he would defeat Liam Smith now - that would not reach to Bivol's win against Alvarez,

[darwinjonas]

Beterbiev rating #26 p4p.... I just laugh. When Beterbiev had the IBF & WBC (without WBO) and they put Callum Smith #1 in LHW. I laugh even more....

BoxRec does not go with emotions - it goes with figures. Beterbiev never defeated an opponent near to the quality Bivol did with Alvarez and Ramirez. An even if he would defeat Liam Smith now - that would not reach to Bivol's win against Alvarez,

Govzdyk was better than Bivol. Govzdyk was #9 p4p by ESPN after he beat and KO Adonis Stevenson and Beterbiev annihilated Govzdyk . Zurdo has 0 skill. He fought only against low ranking boxer like #100-#400 who no body know. The little Canelo don't fight against high ratio KO boxer except if he is old and over the hill like GGG and washed like Kovalev. Beterbiev gave a better lesson of Boxing in less than 2 rounds than Bivol in 12 rounds against Joe Smith Jr. You told '' BoxRec does not go with emotions '' and you mentioned Liam Smith instead Callum Smith. When Callum Smith jump at 175 he was #1 LHW and he beat nobody even at 168 he beat nobody.... I discovered Boxrec is a UK site and they overrate their UK boxers....

[squiggy]

How is Teofimo Lopez "inactive" and not ranked at Super Light ?

He just won 1.5 months ago, and he beat the #2 guy ?

He declared his retirement ...

I don't think declarations should be figured into these things at all. Guys say all kinds of things. It should just strictly be like if they've fought in x amount of months, they are active, and if they haven't, they are inactive.

[squiggy]

When did Joshua pass Fury in the heavyweight rankings? I swear I checked after the Helenius fight and saw that he was #2, and that was just a few days ago.

[computerrank]

How is Teofimo Lopez "inactive" and not ranked at Super Light ?

He just won 1.5 months ago, and he beat the #2 guy ?

He declared his retirement ...

I don't think declarations should be figured into these things at all. Guys say all kinds of things. It should just strictly be like if they've fought in x amount of months, they are active, and if they haven't, they are inactive.

This is not decided by the ratings algorithm, but by the editors.

[computerrank]

When did Joshua pass Fury in the heavyweight rankings? I swear I checked after the Helenius fight and saw that he was #2, and that was just a few days ago.

There was a change in the ratings algorithm on 2023-08-18 - after the Joshua fight. See notice here:
viewtopic.php?t=249171&start=362

[JCS]

Whoa, it seems very questionable for Joshua to pass Fury... even from an objective standpoint. I can see no other legitimate outcome than to either have Fury 1 / Usyk 2, or vice-versa...

I understand the reason why..... I always felt that the 18 month period was a bit harsh... Have something similar at my site and it has always been at 36 months.

BoxRec has a big place in the boxing landscape.. but still can't expect promoters and boxers to abide by minimum opposition standards, which seems to suggest leniency being the only fair option -- just my two cents.

[sitolegaz]

The latest Elite Amateur National titles were held in perth.
Please refer to results and rannkings are way out in most divisions.
There are novices ranked above Champions.
And the new champions not ranked or recognised.
Thankyou.

[computerrank]

The latest Elite Amateur National titles were held in perth.
Please refer to results and rannkings are way out in most divisions.
There are novices ranked above Champions.
And the new champions not ranked or recognised.
Thankyou.

What boxers are you talking about? Boxrec ID numbers, please.

[margaret thatcher]

mw aint the strongest division at the moment, but how the hell is this guy rated #15

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/793452

[computerrank]

mw aint the strongest division at the moment, but how the hell is this guy rated #15

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/793452

The SD against #28 Light Middleweight Jorge Garcia Perez made him #15 Middleweight.

[dawudboxer]

Why are boxrec rankings so God awful? And how the hell is Chris Eubank Jr rated number one in the world???

[computerrank]

Why are boxrec rankings so God awful? And how the hell is Chris Eubank Jr rated number one in the world???

Because he defeated #2

[margaret thatcher]

boxrec loves some chris eubank jr, not his first time at #1

[SportsRatings]

Are the undercard fights on Fury-Ngannou going to count in the ratings? I assume that Fury-Ngannou won't since it isn't listed. Who makes the call on this?

[John]

Are the undercard fights on Fury-Ngannou going to count in the ratings? I assume that Fury-Ngannou won't since it isn't listed. Who makes the call on this?

Dubai commission who normally supervise there told us they think the event is unsanctioned.

[dawudboxer]

Why are boxrec rankings so God awful? And how the hell is Chris Eubank Jr rated number one in the world???

Because he defeated #2

And how is Liam Smith number two? Canelo is number one, there are many others better than Smith.

[computerrank]

Why are boxrec rankings so God awful? And how the hell is Chris Eubank Jr rated number one in the world???

Because he defeated #2

And how is Liam Smith number two? Canelo is number one, there are many others better than Smith.

You think many others are better than Smith - BoxRec ratings evaluation of the bouts does not ...

Alvarez is not assigned to Middleweight, but to Super Middleweight.

Smith's defining win is against Vargas valid 15.6 points.
Nursaltanov's defining win is against Takesado valid 8.1 points.
Adames' defining win is against Derevanchenko valid 6.7 points.
Alimkhanyl's definign win is against Gualtierei valid 3.5 points.

[computerrank]

How has Fury slipped to 3rd behind Usyk and Joshua?

Also Wilder and Otiz not appearing due to inactivity I presume? If the cut off is 12 months I think that’s too short a period for fighters to be unranked.

The inactivity limit is again 12 months as it was before COVID-19.

[computerrank]

How has Fury slipped to 3rd behind Usyk and Joshua?

Also Wilder and Otiz not appearing due to inactivity I presume? If the cut off is 12 months I think that’s too short a period for fighters to be unranked.

The inactivity limit is again 12 months as it was before COVID-19.

How does that explain Fury dropping to 3 though?

Fury's rating is defined by his best win against Wilder. But it is 24 months ago now. It once was worth 40.5 points, but now only 16.6 points. Whyte win is worth 14.3 points. Chisora win only 8 points.

Usyk's best against Joshua is worth 30.3 points.
Joshua's best performance, his close loss against Usyk is worth 20.7 points.

[851610]

Is it a joke? Beterbiev #33 p4p

[computerrank]

Is it a joke? Beterbiev #33 p4p

Heavyweight, Cruiserweight, Light Heavyweight and Middleweight are missing good competition. Just compare how many 5-star boxers you find in the various weight divisions ...

[computerrank]

...
Fair enough. Is the time time decay of Fury’s 40.5 points part of the standard Whole History algorithm or is it something that has been bolted on? If it’s the latter does that decision improve predictability?

Inactive time, winner above loser rule, ratings cap by best performance within a recent time period with decaying value of performances are BoxRec additions to the generalized Whole History algorithm - indroduced independent of the predictability optimisation of the Whole History algorithm.

See https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/BoxRe ... escription

The generalized Whole History algorithm would have; Fury 66.47, Usyk 32,46 and Joshua 27.25.

[Donnymac]

Question regarding Rating
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/660104
On the whatif Feature before the fight happened (Vs. Abraham Ramirez)if Wagner won he would go to #16. He won by TKO and he didnt move to #16. Even still if i do the Whatif it says #16.
Can i get a better understanding on why please
thankyou

[computerrank]

Question regarding Rating
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/660104
On the whatif Feature before the fight happened (Vs. Abraham Ramirez)if Wagner won he would go to #16. He won by TKO and he didnt move to #16. Even still if i do the Whatif it says #16.
Can i get a better understanding on why please
thankyou

Sorry, whatif Wagner vs Ramirez shows #29 as best outcome for Wagner, who is now #29 after his win against Ramirez.

And I additionally tested it with this win eliminated, and I get the same whatif: Wagner is #29 and is #29 after a best win against Ramirez.