Classic American West Coast Boxing

[kikibalt]

I hope everything is going well with the doctor visits Frank. We always keep you in our prayers. As for the photos, keep'em coming. Man I love all the photos you post, especially the old family photos.

I am seeing doctors now for "low blood pressure", first I had high blood pressure now its low, couple of days ago it was 89/50, that's low!!...Normal for guys my age is 120/80....my hearth rate has been around 60...can't win for losing....

Your in my prayers, Frank. Hope things stabilize.

Thanks Rick....

[raylawpc]

Just got back from a doctor's visit, have to go back tomorrow for another EKG. But enough of that b-s. I am going to post some pictures of the boys as Jr. Glover's, hope you will indulge me, don't want you to think that I am trying to make this the Baltazar thread. Some of the picture I am sure you seen before, other not so.

I hope everything is going well with the doctor visits Frank. We always keep you in our prayers. As for the photos, keep'em coming. Man I love all the photos you post, especially the old family photos.

I am seeing doctors now for "low blood pressure", first I had high blood pressure now its low, couple of days ago it was 89/50, that's low!!...Normal for guys my age is 120/80....my hearth rate has been around 60...can't win for losing....

The good news is that hypotension is caused a lot of times by your medication, so the solution is to adjust your meds. I hope that's the case for you my friend, and whatever the cause, they find out what it is and fix it for you!

[Rick Farris]

Courtesy John Bardelli . . .
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WHERE HAVE YOU GONE JOE DIMAGGIO: REAL BOXING TRAINERS?
July 12th, 2011 By Chuck Marbry

Charlotte, NC- Well, I saw and heard it again this weekend; a fighter comes to his corner after getting his face re-arranged. He has to wait at least eight seconds for the stool to finally get into the ring. His so-called “trainer” doesn’t pull on his foul protector so he can breathe deeply and easier, then allows the fighter to prop his arms on the ropes instead of keeping them down to enhance blood flow and recuperation. The “trainer” wipes his guy’s face with a towel, covers his forehead with about ten pounds of Vaseline, gives his guy some water, pours water on his guy’s head (after putting Vaseline over his eyes), and his advice to his guy after getting pummeled for the previous three minutes? “Just throw punches, you doing good!”

SOME (MOST?) TRAINERS TODAY ARE MERE IMPERSONATORS!

It is amazing to me that in the boxing game at the professional level there are apparently so many “trainers” who neverexperienced the sport at even the most rudimentary levels of competition, yet are allowed to get licensed and work in corners as “experts”and are even at times acknowledged by some guys impersonating themselves as media, when all they are is a somebody with a keyboard and a press credential.

NOT THE KIND OF GIG “YOU LEARN ON THE JOB”

Granted, you do not have to actually stick your hand into the fire to know that it will burn you. However, there is something about having that experience that helps you relay that information to others with a bit more urgency. In the same way, you do not have to have been a fighter to become a good trainer. Angelo Dundeeis an excellent trainer, and if he ever fought, I am not aware of it.

NEED TO BE BAPTIZED & THEN TAUGHT THE GAME

To be a good trainer, you do have to immerse yourself into the sport for years. You have to hang around it, eat, sleep, watch learn, pick up little nuances here and there that will in time make big differences. You have to develop a sharp eye to be able to size up mental and physical qualities, not only of your fighter but of his opponent as well. The fighter that was getting the dickens beat out of him this weekend, whose “trainer” told him “Just throw punches” was getting hit so much because every time he threw a jab, he dropped his right. His opponent picked up on it and started timing his own left hooks and was nailing him! But if the extent of your instruction as a”trainer” is “Just throw punches,” that might work in the amateurs, but your guy is going to get killed in the professional ranks.

JEFF MAYWEATHER’S ONE TRAINER THAT TEACHES DEFENSE FIRST!

As I have said, there are a few good trainers,coaches and teachers of the manly art of self defense around today, precious few. But sadly, there are also too many goof-balls that get a license and call themselves trainers who are nothing of the sort. Just as we lack a depth of truly hungry fighters with that “fire in the gut”, so we also have a lack of and a dilution of the ones who used to “stoke the fire” in the gut!

CAN YOU NAME FIVE “EXCELLENT” TRAINERS TODAY?

Think about it. With a precious few exceptions as far as trainers go, in terms of knowing how to train a fighter. and in terms of general boxing knowledge, is there really anyone out there who is close to comparing to Lou Kemp, Whitey Bimstein, Freddie Brown, Jackie McCoy, Ray Arcel or Charley Goldman?

IF YOUR TRAINER DOESN’T CARE, WILL YOU?

And when you watch almost any heavyweight bout today on any card, almost always one if not both fighters look like a “before” example on a Weight Watchers commercial. The only thing I can figure is that the lax mental attitude of our society today has affected our “trainers” and fighters, as well as fan’s for tolerating an inferior product. I mean, many times the poor physical conditioning is obvious.

TRAINERS NEED TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY TOO!

That has to come back on the “trainer” giving in to the whims of the fighter. I know that if I had told my trainer, Lou Kemp, “I don’t think I’m gonna run or spar today,” two things would have happened, in this order; 1) He would have kicked my lazy tail, and 2) He would have canceled the fight. Period. Not out of spite or some power control issue. He cared about his fighters and he cared about me. He knew if I wasn’t right mentally or physically going into a fight, I was going to get hurt. That’s what a trainer does.

GOOD TEACHERS WORK THE BODY & THE MIND

You have to analyze and prepare a fighter physically and mentally to fight. True conditioning requires a fighter to always be busy. There are no secrets to hard work and plenty of it.

FIGHTERS NEED TO ANALYZE A TRAINERS NET VALUE TO HIM

Also, many of today’s fighters are allowed by their “trainers” to fight dumb. They follow their opponents around the ring in a straight line. Trainers don’t know how to teach cutting off the ring. They also fight standing straight up, they don’t know how to use a crouch or to bob and weave. The great lessons of the past are being lost because we don’t have anyone to teach them. The Old School Masters showed us the way. but many think the “New and Improved” is better…”Just throw punches, you doing good.”

[Rick Farris]

Lionel Rose what a great boxer, i've been watching a documentary on Rose who had a terrible time making weight while defending his Bantamweight title. I think if not for the weight making issue he would have kept the title for a long time, would have defeated Olivares. Elvis Presley was a fan of Rose and they met while Presley was filming at MGM..

I was truly impressed with Lionel Rose, but if he were to fight Olivares 100 times, he'd be KOed 100 times.
Rose, with all his skill and grit, could not beat Ruben regardless of what condition Olivares brought with him into the ring.
Lionel's problem with Olivares was not weight.
Against Castillo Rose was lucky to get the decision. Against a way past prime Medel, he was able to squeak by with a win.
Against the best Mexican's of the era, Lionel Rose was just average. He never had to face Herrera, Anaya, Martinez, Gomez, Zarate, Zamora. Against that level of comp, Rose would have had an even shorter career than he did. My opinion.

[raylawpc]

Courtesy John Bardelli . . .
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WHERE HAVE YOU GONE JOE DIMAGGIO: REAL BOXING TRAINERS?
July 12th, 2011 By Chuck Marbry

Charlotte, NC- Well, I saw and heard it again this weekend; a fighter comes to his corner after getting his face re-arranged. He has to wait at least eight seconds for the stool to finally get into the ring. His so-called “trainer” doesn’t pull on his foul protector so he can breathe deeply and easier, then allows the fighter to prop his arms on the ropes instead of keeping them down to enhance blood flow and recuperation. The “trainer” wipes his guy’s face with a towel, covers his forehead with about ten pounds of Vaseline, gives his guy some water, pours water on his guy’s head (after putting Vaseline over his eyes), and his advice to his guy after getting pummeled for the previous three minutes? “Just throw punches, you doing good!”

SOME (MOST?) TRAINERS TODAY ARE MERE IMPERSONATORS!

It is amazing to me that in the boxing game at the professional level there are apparently so many “trainers” who neverexperienced the sport at even the most rudimentary levels of competition, yet are allowed to get licensed and work in corners as “experts”and are even at times acknowledged by some guys impersonating themselves as media, when all they are is a somebody with a keyboard and a press credential.

NOT THE KIND OF GIG “YOU LEARN ON THE JOB”

Granted, you do not have to actually stick your hand into the fire to know that it will burn you. However, there is something about having that experience that helps you relay that information to others with a bit more urgency. In the same way, you do not have to have been a fighter to become a good trainer. Angelo Dundeeis an excellent trainer, and if he ever fought, I am not aware of it.

NEED TO BE BAPTIZED & THEN TAUGHT THE GAME

To be a good trainer, you do have to immerse yourself into the sport for years. You have to hang around it, eat, sleep, watch learn, pick up little nuances here and there that will in time make big differences. You have to develop a sharp eye to be able to size up mental and physical qualities, not only of your fighter but of his opponent as well. The fighter that was getting the dickens beat out of him this weekend, whose “trainer” told him “Just throw punches” was getting hit so much because every time he threw a jab, he dropped his right. His opponent picked up on it and started timing his own left hooks and was nailing him! But if the extent of your instruction as a”trainer” is “Just throw punches,” that might work in the amateurs, but your guy is going to get killed in the professional ranks.

JEFF MAYWEATHER’S ONE TRAINER THAT TEACHES DEFENSE FIRST!

As I have said, there are a few good trainers,coaches and teachers of the manly art of self defense around today, precious few. But sadly, there are also too many goof-balls that get a license and call themselves trainers who are nothing of the sort. Just as we lack a depth of truly hungry fighters with that “fire in the gut”, so we also have a lack of and a dilution of the ones who used to “stoke the fire” in the gut!

CAN YOU NAME FIVE “EXCELLENT” TRAINERS TODAY?

Think about it. With a precious few exceptions as far as trainers go, in terms of knowing how to train a fighter. and in terms of general boxing knowledge, is there really anyone out there who is close to comparing to Lou Kemp, Whitey Bimstein, Freddie Brown, Jackie McCoy, Ray Arcel or Charley Goldman?

IF YOUR TRAINER DOESN’T CARE, WILL YOU?

And when you watch almost any heavyweight bout today on any card, almost always one if not both fighters look like a “before” example on a Weight Watchers commercial. The only thing I can figure is that the lax mental attitude of our society today has affected our “trainers” and fighters, as well as fan’s for tolerating an inferior product. I mean, many times the poor physical conditioning is obvious.

TRAINERS NEED TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY TOO!

That has to come back on the “trainer” giving in to the whims of the fighter. I know that if I had told my trainer, Lou Kemp, “I don’t think I’m gonna run or spar today,” two things would have happened, in this order; 1) He would have kicked my lazy tail, and 2) He would have canceled the fight. Period. Not out of spite or some power control issue. He cared about his fighters and he cared about me. He knew if I wasn’t right mentally or physically going into a fight, I was going to get hurt. That’s what a trainer does.

GOOD TEACHERS WORK THE BODY & THE MIND

You have to analyze and prepare a fighter physically and mentally to fight. True conditioning requires a fighter to always be busy. There are no secrets to hard work and plenty of it.

FIGHTERS NEED TO ANALYZE A TRAINERS NET VALUE TO HIM

Also, many of today’s fighters are allowed by their “trainers” to fight dumb. They follow their opponents around the ring in a straight line. Trainers don’t know how to teach cutting off the ring. They also fight standing straight up, they don’t know how to use a crouch or to bob and weave. The great lessons of the past are being lost because we don’t have anyone to teach them. The Old School Masters showed us the way. but many think the “New and Improved” is better…”Just throw punches, you doing good.”

This is a great article, and I agree with 100% of it. I see work in corners today and just shake my head.

The problem is: Learning to be a good cornerman IS on-the-job training. There is no school you can go to to learn to be a cornerman. You have to learn by working with great cornermen - kind of like an apprenticeship. I learned by working with good cornermen. When a Carlos Ortiz, Mando Ramos, Oscar Bonavena (strike that; I stayed away from his corner - they were as nuts as he was), Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, etc. came to town, I always volunteered to help out in their corners. I watched their cornermen, and I learned. After the fight, I'd ask questions about the things I saw them do, and the instructions they gave the fighter. Almost to a man (there was one notable exception), they were happy to answer my questions and give me advice. They saw that I was trying to learn, and they were very accommodating. Sadly, today there are no good ones to learn from.

[Cholo]

Lionel Rose what a great boxer, i've been watching a documentary on Rose who had a terrible time making weight while defending his Bantamweight title. I think if not for the weight making issue he would have kept the title for a long time, would have defeated Olivares. Elvis Presley was a fan of Rose and they met while Presley was filming at MGM..

I was truly impressed with Lionel Rose, but if he were to fight Olivares 100 times, he'd be KOed 100 times.
Rose, with all his skill and grit, could not beat Ruben regardless of what condition Olivares brought with him into the ring.
Lionel's problem with Olivares was not weight.
Against Castillo Rose was lucky to get the decision. Against a way past prime Medel, he was able to squeak by with a win.
Against the best Mexican's of the era, Lionel Rose was just average. He never had to face Herrera, Anaya, Martinez, Gomez, Zarate, Zamora. Against that level of comp, Rose would have had an even shorter career than he did. My opinion.

Rick, I know Olivares was great, but making weight takes alot out of a fighter. The documentary i watched said Lionel took some sort of diuretic to lose weight, Jockeys used the same diuretic two had died taking it, it's probably banned now. I just think Rose would have took some beating if not for his weight making issues, maybe struggling with Castillo was because of this?..

[kikibalt]

Carlos Chavez and Johnny Forbes

[Rick Farris]

Lionel Rose what a great boxer, i've been watching a documentary on Rose who had a terrible time making weight while defending his Bantamweight title. I think if not for the weight making issue he would have kept the title for a long time, would have defeated Olivares. Elvis Presley was a fan of Rose and they met while Presley was filming at MGM..

I was truly impressed with Lionel Rose, but if he were to fight Olivares 100 times, he'd be KOed 100 times.
Rose, with all his skill and grit, could not beat Ruben regardless of what condition Olivares brought with him into the ring.
Lionel's problem with Olivares was not weight.
Against Castillo Rose was lucky to get the decision. Against a way past prime Medel, he was able to squeak by with a win.
Against the best Mexican's of the era, Lionel Rose was just average. He never had to face Herrera, Anaya, Martinez, Gomez, Zarate, Zamora. Against that level of comp, Rose would have had an even shorter career than he did. My opinion.

Rick, I know Olivares was great, but making weight takes alot out of a fighter. The documentary i watched said Lionel took some sort of diuretic to lose weight, Jockeys used the same diuretic two had died taking it, it's probably banned now. I just think Rose would have took some beating if not for his weight making issues, maybe struggling with Castillo was because of this?..

Rose didn't have the skill to beat Olivares, weight or not.
No cut on Lionel. Truth is he was a cut below the better Mexicans. Brilliant boxer but he didn't have the power to hold many off.
He could get by on an old Jose Medel, but a prime Medel would knock him out.
Despite the knockdown, I felt he edged Castillo. I doubt he'd have done it twice?
He might have gotten by on an ancient Pimentel as he did Medel, but not Jesus in his prime.
Lots of truth in weight weakening boxers, that's how Rose won the title in the first place. Harada was drained.
Olivares had superior boxing skills to Rose, even without a punch, Ruben could out box him. Lionel was good, Ruben was great.
To stand in front of an Olivares and land was fae more difficult than Rose. And it was easier to take a chance on a light itter like Lionel than it was a guy who posed great consequences when he hit you.
Lionel's speed was great, Olivares timing and accuracy were unequaled when on top of his game.
On a bad night Ruben could outbox Lionel.

[kikibalt]

Wait till Randy sees this!!!



My cousin Gabriel Melendez: My lunch for today

[Rick Farris]

Wait till Randy sees this!!!



My cousin Gabriel Melendez: My lunch for today

[kikibalt]

Yeah!! Rick, Randy is the Champion eater on the CAWCB thread.... . Ram tried to take Randy's title but got stopped in the 9th round...

[Rick Farris]

Lionel Rose what a great boxer, i've been watching a documentary on Rose who had a terrible time making weight while defending his Bantamweight title. I think if not for the weight making issue he would have kept the title for a long time, would have defeated Olivares. Elvis Presley was a fan of Rose and they met while Presley was filming at MGM..

I was truly impressed with Lionel Rose, but if he were to fight Olivares 100 times, he'd be KOed 100 times.
Rose, with all his skill and grit, could not beat Ruben regardless of what condition Olivares brought with him into the ring.
Lionel's problem with Olivares was not weight.
Against Castillo Rose was lucky to get the decision. Against a way past prime Medel, he was able to squeak by with a win.
Against the best Mexican's of the era, Lionel Rose was just average. He never had to face Herrera, Anaya, Martinez, Gomez, Zarate, Zamora. Against that level of comp, Rose would have had an even shorter career than he did. My opinion.

Rick, I know Olivares was great, but making weight takes alot out of a fighter. The documentary i watched said Lionel took some sort of diuretic to lose weight, Jockeys used the same diuretic two had died taking it, it's probably banned now. I just think Rose would have took some beating if not for his weight making issues, maybe struggling with Castillo was because of this?..

Paul, in 1972, I weighed in nearly 2 pounds over one day. They gave me a couple hours to lose it. Mel gave me a "water pill" which is the same as Rose claims to have taken. My fight was just six rounds, and I felt it. Not good. But I know what challenged Rose, and weight was the least of his problems.
By the way, I pissed off 4 pounds in 2 hours using the dieuretic.
Tough in the late rounds.

[Rick Farris]

Yeah!! Rick, Randy is the Champion eater on the CAWCB thread.... . Ram tried to take Randy's title but got stopped in the 9th round...

I'm hoping Tom was just joking when he spoke of challenging Manuel.
You know what Manuel said as Remy and I left? "Pinche gringo!"
Remy asked, "what did he say?" I told him, "he said thank you".

[kikibalt]

Yeah!! Rick, Randy is the Champion eater on the CAWCB thread.... . Ram tried to take Randy's title but got stopped in the 9th round...

I'm hoping Tom was just joking when he spoke of challenging Manuel.
You know what Manuel said as Remy and I left? "Pinche gringo!"
Remy asked, "what did he say?" I told him, "he said thank you".

[raylawpc]

I was truly impressed with Lionel Rose, but if he were to fight Olivares 100 times, he'd be KOed 100 times.
Rose, with all his skill and grit, could not beat Ruben regardless of what condition Olivares brought with him into the ring.
Lionel's problem with Olivares was not weight.
Against Castillo Rose was lucky to get the decision. Against a way past prime Medel, he was able to squeak by with a win.
Against the best Mexican's of the era, Lionel Rose was just average. He never had to face Herrera, Anaya, Martinez, Gomez, Zarate, Zamora. Against that level of comp, Rose would have had an even shorter career than he did. My opinion.

Rick, I know Olivares was great, but making weight takes alot out of a fighter. The documentary i watched said Lionel took some sort of diuretic to lose weight, Jockeys used the same diuretic two had died taking it, it's probably banned now. I just think Rose would have took some beating if not for his weight making issues, maybe struggling with Castillo was because of this?..

Rose didn't have the skill to beat Olivares, weight or not.
No cut on Lionel. Truth is he was a cut below the better Mexicans. Brilliant boxer but he didn't have the power to hold many off.
He could get by on an old Jose Medel, but a prime Medel would knock him out.
Despite the knockdown, I felt he edged Castillo. I doubt he'd have done it twice?
He might have gotten by on an ancient Pimentel as he did Medel, but not Jesus in his prime.
Lots of truth in weight weakening boxers, that's how Rose won the title in the first place. Harada was drained.
Olivares had superior boxing skills to Rose, even without a punch, Ruben could out box him. Lionel was good, Ruben was great.
To stand in front of an Olivares and land was fae more difficult than Rose. And it was easier to take a chance on a light itter like Lionel than it was a guy who posed great consequences when he hit you.
Lionel's speed was great, Olivares timing and accuracy were unequaled when on top of his game.
On a bad night Ruben could outbox Lionel.

I think so too, based on the films that I've seen. But I never saw any of them live. I'm curious what Frank thinks? Good discussion!

[raylawpc]

Yeah!! Rick, Randy is the Champion eater on the CAWCB thread.... . Ram tried to take Randy's title but got stopped in the 9th round...

I'm hoping Tom was just joking when he spoke of challenging Manuel.
You know what Manuel said as Remy and I left? "Pinche gringo!"
Remy asked, "what did he say?" I told him, "he said thank you".

I'm not joking; I'm serious!! The match is on next time I'm in LA!!

[Rick Farris]

Yeah!! Rick, Randy is the Champion eater on the CAWCB thread.... . Ram tried to take Randy's title but got stopped in the 9th round...

I'm hoping Tom was just joking when he spoke of challenging Manuel.
You know what Manuel said as Remy and I left? "Pinche gringo!"
Remy asked, "what did he say?" I told him, "he said thank you".

I'm not joking; I'm serious!! The match is on next time I'm in LA!!

Gabacho's in the Barrio . . .

Tom, I'm the Ray Arcel of LA tablemen, who will work with out-of-town guys looking to take on Manuel.
Remember, Arcel worked with many of Louis's "Bum of the Month" opponents, like Abe Simon, Buddy Baer, etc.
So used to seeing Arcel standing next to his opponents during instructions, the Brown Bomber once looked at Ray and said, "You again?"
Today in Boyle Heights, when Manuel sees me walk into El Tepeyac with a hunry Gringo , he asks, "You again?"
Me, I'll be there with Malox, Pepto, Alka-Seltzer, whatever it takes to keep my charge from going belly up like a gold fish in the ELA aquarium of Manuel.
I've got a little respect there, they know I'm quick to get my overeaten prospect in the car and out of the Eastside in respectable time!
I also know of nearby Colonics therapy parlors where the will glady extract the tons of beans, beef, rice, guacamole, slasa, celantro, omions, tomatoes and God knows what right out your _____ .
The colonics factories really know how to "knock the sh*t out of a guy who has undrestimated the Ruben Olivares over ELA Burritos.
I got evidence that I'd step in with Duran, Olivares, Arguello, Lopez and Chacon . . . but if you ask me to order a "Manuel's Special", I'll answer, "Kiss my Gabacho ass!"
"My friend, Olympic Pole Vauit champ Bob Seagren used to have a saying. Bob's grandmother was a Swedish immigrant.
Bob used to say, "I'll go through him like sh*t through a tall Swede!" I never understood the statement?
It just occured to me you are the first "tall Swede" I ever knew.
Maybe what Manuel has to dish out will be "no challenge" to a "tall Swede?" Maybe Tom will tear thru Manuel?
Tom, nobody expects you to eat 1 1/2 of them like Randy did. But if a Gringo from this thread executed one Manuel, he will forever have my respect.
Make us proud! I'll help! Let's go get Manuel, right in his barrio!

[Rick Farris]

Courtesy John Bardelli . . .
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WHERE HAVE YOU GONE JOE DIMAGGIO: REAL BOXING TRAINERS?
July 12th, 2011 By Chuck Marbry

Charlotte, NC- Well, I saw and heard it again this weekend; a fighter comes to his corner after getting his face re-arranged. He has to wait at least eight seconds for the stool to finally get into the ring. His so-called “trainer” doesn’t pull on his foul protector so he can breathe deeply and easier, then allows the fighter to prop his arms on the ropes instead of keeping them down to enhance blood flow and recuperation. The “trainer” wipes his guy’s face with a towel, covers his forehead with about ten pounds of Vaseline, gives his guy some water, pours water on his guy’s head (after putting Vaseline over his eyes), and his advice to his guy after getting pummeled for the previous three minutes? “Just throw punches, you doing good!”

SOME (MOST?) TRAINERS TODAY ARE MERE IMPERSONATORS!

It is amazing to me that in the boxing game at the professional level there are apparently so many “trainers” who neverexperienced the sport at even the most rudimentary levels of competition, yet are allowed to get licensed and work in corners as “experts”and are even at times acknowledged by some guys impersonating themselves as media, when all they are is a somebody with a keyboard and a press credential.

NOT THE KIND OF GIG “YOU LEARN ON THE JOB”

Granted, you do not have to actually stick your hand into the fire to know that it will burn you. However, there is something about having that experience that helps you relay that information to others with a bit more urgency. In the same way, you do not have to have been a fighter to become a good trainer. Angelo Dundeeis an excellent trainer, and if he ever fought, I am not aware of it.

NEED TO BE BAPTIZED & THEN TAUGHT THE GAME

To be a good trainer, you do have to immerse yourself into the sport for years. You have to hang around it, eat, sleep, watch learn, pick up little nuances here and there that will in time make big differences. You have to develop a sharp eye to be able to size up mental and physical qualities, not only of your fighter but of his opponent as well. The fighter that was getting the dickens beat out of him this weekend, whose “trainer” told him “Just throw punches” was getting hit so much because every time he threw a jab, he dropped his right. His opponent picked up on it and started timing his own left hooks and was nailing him! But if the extent of your instruction as a”trainer” is “Just throw punches,” that might work in the amateurs, but your guy is going to get killed in the professional ranks.

JEFF MAYWEATHER’S ONE TRAINER THAT TEACHES DEFENSE FIRST!

As I have said, there are a few good trainers,coaches and teachers of the manly art of self defense around today, precious few. But sadly, there are also too many goof-balls that get a license and call themselves trainers who are nothing of the sort. Just as we lack a depth of truly hungry fighters with that “fire in the gut”, so we also have a lack of and a dilution of the ones who used to “stoke the fire” in the gut!

CAN YOU NAME FIVE “EXCELLENT” TRAINERS TODAY?

Think about it. With a precious few exceptions as far as trainers go, in terms of knowing how to train a fighter. and in terms of general boxing knowledge, is there really anyone out there who is close to comparing to Lou Kemp, Whitey Bimstein, Freddie Brown, Jackie McCoy, Ray Arcel or Charley Goldman?

IF YOUR TRAINER DOESN’T CARE, WILL YOU?

And when you watch almost any heavyweight bout today on any card, almost always one if not both fighters look like a “before” example on a Weight Watchers commercial. The only thing I can figure is that the lax mental attitude of our society today has affected our “trainers” and fighters, as well as fan’s for tolerating an inferior product. I mean, many times the poor physical conditioning is obvious.

TRAINERS NEED TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY TOO!

That has to come back on the “trainer” giving in to the whims of the fighter. I know that if I had told my trainer, Lou Kemp, “I don’t think I’m gonna run or spar today,” two things would have happened, in this order; 1) He would have kicked my lazy tail, and 2) He would have canceled the fight. Period. Not out of spite or some power control issue. He cared about his fighters and he cared about me. He knew if I wasn’t right mentally or physically going into a fight, I was going to get hurt. That’s what a trainer does.

GOOD TEACHERS WORK THE BODY & THE MIND

You have to analyze and prepare a fighter physically and mentally to fight. True conditioning requires a fighter to always be busy. There are no secrets to hard work and plenty of it.

FIGHTERS NEED TO ANALYZE A TRAINERS NET VALUE TO HIM

Also, many of today’s fighters are allowed by their “trainers” to fight dumb. They follow their opponents around the ring in a straight line. Trainers don’t know how to teach cutting off the ring. They also fight standing straight up, they don’t know how to use a crouch or to bob and weave. The great lessons of the past are being lost because we don’t have anyone to teach them. The Old School Masters showed us the way. but many think the “New and Improved” is better…”Just throw punches, you doing good.”

This is a great article, and I agree with 100% of it. I see work in corners today and just shake my head.

The problem is: Learning to be a good cornerman IS on-the-job training. There is no school you can go to to learn to be a cornerman. You have to learn by working with great cornermen - kind of like an apprenticeship. I learned by working with good cornermen. When a Carlos Ortiz, Mando Ramos, Oscar Bonavena (strike that; I stayed away from his corner - they were as nuts as he was), Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, etc. came to town, I always volunteered to help out in their corners. I watched their cornermen, and I learned. After the fight, I'd ask questions about the things I saw them do, and the instructions they gave the fighter. Almost to a man (there was one notable exception), they were happy to answer my questions and give me advice. They saw that I was trying to learn, and they were very accommodating. Sadly, today there are no good ones to learn from.

Sadly so.

[CNorkusJr]

Come to think about it-Has anyone heard from Remy yet ?
Did his plane land yet ?

Could be dangerous flying at high altitude over the ocean with a "Manual's Special" inside of you.

I dont know if I'll take on a Manuals Special, but that "Gabriels Special" above looks a darn mighty good from here.

Hope you get better Frank, my blood pressure pills do the same thing with me from time to time, and I have to go in for a meds "tune up". One thing interacts with another and next thing you know, a high reading is low on something, and a low thing is high on another.

2 weeks ago I had a sinus infection and the antibiotic my doctor put me on whacked everything out, as she told me might happen. It did. Had to get re-tuned up this past Monday.Once my eyes stop spinning, I let you know how everything went.

[kikibalt]

Come to think about it-Has anyone heard from Remy yet ?
Did his plane land yet ?

Could be dangerous flying at high altitude over the ocean with a "Manual's Special" inside of you.

I dont know if I'll take on a Manuals Special, but that "Gabriels Special" above looks a darn mighty good from here.

Hope you get better Frank, my blood pressure pills do the same thing with me from time to time, and I have to go in for a meds "tune up". One thing interacts with another and next thing you know, a high reading is low on something, and a low thing is high on another.

2 weeks ago I had a sinus infection and the antibiotic my doctor put me on whacked everything out, as she told me might happen. It did. Had to get re-tuned up this past Monday.Once my eyes stop spinning, I let you know how everything went.

Charlie, the "Gabriel Special" looks good if you like sea food, which I don't...

Next thing for me is to go see a cardiologist. My doctor is not happy with my low blood pressure and low hearth rate.

[kikibalt]

I hope everything is going well with the doctor visits Frank. We always keep you in our prayers. As for the photos, keep'em coming. Man I love all the photos you post, especially the old family photos.

I am seeing doctors now for "low blood pressure", first I had high blood pressure now its low, couple of days ago it was 89/50, that's low!!...Normal for guys my age is 120/80....my hearth rate has been around 60...can't win for losing....

The good news is that hypotension is caused a lot of times by your medication, so the solution is to adjust your meds. I hope that's the case for you my friend, and whatever the cause, they find out what it is and fix it for you!

Tom, the thing with me is that I been on the same meds for well over a year. Next thing for me is to go see a cardiologist. My doctor is not happy with my low blood pressure and low hearth rate, she wants me to see a cardiologist to make sure I don't have a blockage. I tried to talk her out of sending me to see a cardiologist, "Do I really need to see one", "Yes, just to be sure that you don't have a blockage Frank. I rather you see one than for me to say a year from now; Frank WAS a nice man"....

[kikibalt]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 4669.story

80 years of history on rye at Canter's

[raylawpc]

I am seeing doctors now for "low blood pressure", first I had high blood pressure now its low, couple of days ago it was 89/50, that's low!!...Normal for guys my age is 120/80....my hearth rate has been around 60...can't win for losing....

The good news is that hypotension is caused a lot of times by your medication, so the solution is to adjust your meds. I hope that's the case for you my friend, and whatever the cause, they find out what it is and fix it for you!

Tom, the thing with me is that I been on the same meds for well over a year. Next thing for me is to go see a cardiologist. My doctor is not happy with my low blood pressure and low hearth rate, she wants me to see a cardiologist to make sure I don't have a blockage. I tried to talk her out of sending me to see a cardiologist, "Do I really need to see one", "Yes, just to be sure that you don't have a blockage Frank. I rather you see one than for me to say a year from now; Frank WAS a nice man"....

Get it checked out! My Dad suffered from fluctuating blood pressure, so I know its not fun.

[Rick Farris]

Come to think about it-Has anyone heard from Remy yet ?
Did his plane land yet ?

Could be dangerous flying at high altitude over the ocean with a "Manual's Special" inside of you.

I dont know if I'll take on a Manuals Special, but that "Gabriels Special" above looks a darn mighty good from here.

Hope you get better Frank, my blood pressure pills do the same thing with me from time to time, and I have to go in for a meds "tune up". One thing interacts with another and next thing you know, a high reading is low on something, and a low thing is high on another.

2 weeks ago I had a sinus infection and the antibiotic my doctor put me on whacked everything out, as she told me might happen. It did. Had to get re-tuned up this past Monday.Once my eyes stop spinning, I let you know how everything went.

Remy got back safe, Charlie. He said when he landed in Oslo his luggage was still in Newark .
I imagine he is busy working lots of overtime to pay for his recent trip. When Remy came he brought his girlfriend, his newborn baby and his lady's sister. While he and I were out running hills, challenging Manuel, and checking out LA boxing sites, the girls went out doing what women do best - spending $.
The young man is on his way to "kept man" supremecy (or financial ruin )
After reading thru a few pages of the "Kept Man" manuel Frank loaned me, Remy is "investing" in his future.

[Rick Farris]

I am seeing doctors now for "low blood pressure", first I had high blood pressure now its low, couple of days ago it was 89/50, that's low!!...Normal for guys my age is 120/80....my hearth rate has been around 60...can't win for losing....

The good news is that hypotension is caused a lot of times by your medication, so the solution is to adjust your meds. I hope that's the case for you my friend, and whatever the cause, they find out what it is and fix it for you!

Tom, the thing with me is that I been on the same meds for well over a year. Next thing for me is to go see a cardiologist. My doctor is not happy with my low blood pressure and low hearth rate, she wants me to see a cardiologist to make sure I don't have a blockage. I tried to talk her out of sending me to see a cardiologist, "Do I really need to see one", "Yes, just to be sure that you don't have a blockage Frank. I rather you see one than for me to say a year from now; Frank WAS a nice man"....

Frank, I know it's a major pain-in-the-arse, but go to the cardiologist ASAP.
I don't know what we would do without you?